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Dear Maphisters:

An article from Pravda is doing the rounds describing a find of stone slabs in the Ural Region by Dr. Alexandr Chuvyrov of Bashkir State University.  According to the article, Dr. Chuvyrov believes the slabs are fragments of a great relief map created by unknown people with unknown technology about 120 million years ago.  The article further states that these artifacts are being investigated by "Centre of Historical Cartography" in "Visconsin."

The History of Cartography project in Wisconsin has NOT endorsed this find, and we don't know of a "Centre of Historical Cartography" in this state. So there's another "unknown" to add to the "unknown people with unknown technology" . . .

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(note from listowner: it is 1 May, not 1 April)

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I was able to find the article right away by just typing Pravda in Google.

Alice C. Hudson
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The Humanities and Social Sciences Library The New York Public Library
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I received a message asking about globes produced by the A.H. Andrews Co. in Chicago (1865-1910). I do have one but deleted the e-mail by mistake so cannot answer. Has anybody else received this query  and if so, can you tell me who to send an answer? Mea Culpa. Thanks.

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The URL is

http://english.pravda.ru/main/2002/04/30/28149.html

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> Non-member submission from [WOODWARD David <dawoodwa@facstaff.wisc.edu>]
>
> Dear Maphisters:
>
> An article from Pravda is doing the rounds describing a find of stone
> slabs in the Ural Region by Dr. Alexandr Chuvyrov of Bashkir State
> University.  According to the article, Dr. Chuvyrov believes the
> slabs are fragments of a great relief map created by unknown people
> with unknown technology about 120 million years ago.  The article
> further states that these artifacts are being investigated by "Centre
> of Historical Cartography" in "Visconsin."
>
> The History of Cartography project in Wisconsin has NOT endorsed this
> find, and we don't know of a "Centre of Historical Cartography" in
> this state. So there's another "unknown" to add to the "unknown
> people with unknown technology" . . .
>
> x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x
>
> (note from listowner: it is 1 May, not 1 April)
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Have you seen the messages in Pravda's forum on this topic

http://bbs.newsfromrussia.com/cgi/Ultimate.cgi?action=threadlist&number=8&topic=000089-000000-050102-000002.msg&Times=1,0,0,0

If this complicated link get messed up in e-mail, use the link you may discuss the article in our forum at the bottom of the article, then choose for Science, Culture, Social Life, then Antoine's message atheism and THE MAP OF "THE CREATOR"
You will get a link with to a site with "lots of scientific articles that confirm the raelian point of view of a deliberate creation of all life on erarth by an advanced extraterrestrial civilisation."

Are we sure that it is not 1 April in Russia?

Peter


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> >
> > Dear Maphisters:
> >
> > An article from Pravda is doing the rounds describing a find of stone
> > slabs in the Ural Region by Dr. Alexandr Chuvyrov of Bashkir State
> > University.  According to the article, Dr. Chuvyrov believes the
> > slabs are fragments of a great relief map created by unknown people
> > with unknown technology about 120 million years ago.  The article
> > further states that these artifacts are being investigated by "Centre
> > of Historical Cartography" in "Visconsin."
> >
> > The History of Cartography project in Wisconsin has NOT endorsed this
> > find, and we don't know of a "Centre of Historical Cartography" in
> > this state. So there's another "unknown" to add to the "unknown
> > people with unknown technology" . . .
> >
> > x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 5/1/2002 1:20:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl writes:<BR> <BR>
Non-member submission from [WOODWARD David &lt;dawoodwa@facstaff.wisc.edu&gt;]<BR> <BR>
Dear Maphisters:<BR>
<BR>
An article from Pravda is doing the rounds describing a find of stone<BR> slabs in the Ural Region by Dr. Alexandr Chuvyrov of Bashkir State<BR> University.&nbsp; According to the article, Dr. Chuvyrov believes the<BR> slabs are fragments of a great relief map created by unknown people<BR> with unknown technology about 120 million years ago.&nbsp; The article<BR> further states that these artifacts are being investigated by "Centre<BR> of Historical Cartography" in "Visconsin."<BR> <BR>
The History of Cartography project in Wisconsin has NOT endorsed this<BR> find, and we don't know of a "Centre of Historical Cartography" in<BR> this state. So there's another "unknown" to add to the "unknown<BR> people with unknown technology" . . .<BR> <BR>
x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x<BR> <BR>
DEAR MAPHISTERS:<BR>
<BR>
Having reviewed the complete news piece in the Pravda (see http://english.pravda.ru/main/2002/04/30/28149.html) and noting the concluding paragraph of that article, quoted below:<BR> <BR>
&lt;&lt; What could be the destination of the map? That is probably the most interesting thing. Materials of the Bashkir find were already investigated in Centre of Historical Cartography in Visconsin, USA. The Americans were amazed. According to them, such three-dimensional map could have only one destination - a navigational one, while it could be worked out only through aerospace survey. Moreover, namely now in the US, work is being carried out at creation of world three-dimensional map like that. Though, the Americans intend to complete the work only to 2010. The question is that while compiling such three-dimensional map, it is necessary to work over too many figures. "Try to map at least a mountain! - Chuvyrov says. - The technology of compiling such maps demands super-power computers and aerospace survey from the Shuttle." So, who then did created this map? Chuvyrov, while speaking about the unknown cartographers, is wary: "I do not like talks about some UFO and extraterrestrial. Let us call the author of the map simply - the creator." &gt;&gt;<BR> <BR>
I cannot but come to the conclusion that our good ole' United States government is again up to its old tricks - trying to cover up the truth.<BR> <BR>
We all know how, for many years, our government has denied the 1947 capture of an UFO with 4 live aliens onboard - the infamous Roswell incident. We all know what extensive cover up measures were employed (using taxpayers monies) to hide the awful truth. Despite this, brave American patriots have spread the word - first thru illegal underground publications and clandestine meetings and lately quite openly in the public media, books and websites (see http://www.roswell-record.com/ufo.html). <BR> <BR>
It is now clear to me that our government has given up on trying to protect its secret research at the Roswell, New Mexico location. Apparently, to deceive the public, THE GOVERNMENT HAS MOVED ITS ALIEN RESEARCH CENTER (and undoubtedly the 4 live aliens) TO WISCONSIN (120 million years ago also known as - Visconsin). <BR> <BR>
The frightening truth, bravely reported by the Pravda is that "the Americans intend to complete the work only to 2010". But what will happen AFTER 2010? The answer is simple - THE ALIENS, BRED TO TOUGH MILITARY SPECIFICATIONS, WILL TAKE OVER. <BR> <BR>
We have all heard about our government's cloning efforts - conducted under the guise of cloning sheep, surreptitiously labeled with docile and disarming names like "Molly" or "Dolly". Yes, they may look like sheep but we all know about WOLVES IN SHEEPS' CLOTHING !!!<BR> <BR>
Maphisters - beware of and do not trust the non-member submission from a certain "dawoodwa@"quoted here at the beginning - who claims that "The History of Cartography project in Wisconsin has NOT endorsed this find". It is simply an attempt to turn our attention away from what is really happening in Visconsin. Moreover, I leave it up to you to fathom what lurks behind the cryptic name "dawoodwa@", apparently located in the heart of that very Visconsin. Can it be …. ???<BR> <BR>
Trust me and trust Pravda, whose courageous reporter openly writes in his concluding remarks:<BR> <BR>
"now in the US, work is being carried out at creation of world three…."<BR> <BR>
Only 8 more years to go. Gotta rush off - before it's too late!!! <BR> <BR>
Mark<BR>
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<font face="Arial, Helvetica" size=2>My personal opinion is that this may be the start of a commercial book publishing venture based on speculative extrapolations to explain valid artifact discoveries.&nbsp; <br> <br>
Several years ago a prominent member of the Russian Academy of Sciences, Anatoli.T. Fomenko,&nbsp; formulated his theory of the &quot;New Chronology&quot;, collecting an impressive data pool of astronomical and historical information, the selective use of which formed the basis of a major rewriting of historical events in the last 2000 years or so. It was accepted in the tabloid media and a large populist following, evidenced by his books becoming best sellers. It also infuriated academicians, who soundly refuted Fomenko's theories. (Remember Emmanuel Velikovsky?) <br>
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Hi all

There may be more to the April 1 theory.  The earliest version of this story has a date of 2 April:

http://www.therussianissues.com/topics/55/02/04/02/14403.html

This article seems to be a different (and better) translation of the same material used in the Pravda article. There does seem to be an AN Chuvyrov listed in the Physics Department of Bashkir State University however...

Cheers

Dirk Veltkamp




                                                                                                             
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Have you seen the messages in Pravda's forum on this topic

http://bbs.newsfromrussia.com/cgi/Ultimate.cgi?action=threadlist&number=8&topic=000089-000000-050102-000002.msg&Times=1,0,0,0


If this complicated link get messed up in e-mail, use the link you may discuss the article in our forum at the bottom of the article, then choose for Science, Culture, Social Life, then Antoine's message atheism and THE MAP OF "THE CREATOR"
You will get a link with to a site with "lots of scientific articles that confirm the raelian point of view of a deliberate creation of all life on erarth by an advanced extraterrestrial civilisation."

Are we sure that it is not 1 April in Russia?

Peter


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Dear members of the Map History List,

I am really grateful to your help in regards to my question on maps of japanese colonies. Your insights and the information you provided has been valuable for the progress of my research project.


Sincerely,


Jilly Traganou
University of Texas at Austin

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<font size=3>At 11:23 AM 5/2/2002 +1000, you wrote:<br> <br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>Hi all<br> <br>
There may be more to the April 1 theory.&nbsp; The earliest version of this<br>
story has a date of 2 April:<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.therussianissues.com/topics/55/02/04/02/14403.html" eudora="autourl">http://www.therussianissues.com/topics/55/02/04/02/14403.html</a><br> <br>
This article seems to be a different (and better) translation of the same<br>
material used in the Pravda article. There does seem to be an AN Chuvyrov<br>
listed in the Physics Department of Bashkir State University however...<br>
<br>
Cheers<br>
<br>
Dirk Veltkamp<br>
</blockquote><br>
Yes, indeed... The Russian language original of the Itogi story has a file date time group of 1 April.<br>
<a href="http://www.itogi.ru/paper2002.nsf/Article/Itogi_2002_04_01_10_0237.html" eudora="autourl">http://www.itogi.ru/paper2002.nsf/Article/Itogi_2002_</a></font><font size=3 color="#00FF00"><b>04_01</b></font><a href="http://www.itogi.ru/paper2002.nsf/Article/Itogi_2002_04_01_10_0237.html" eudora="autourl"><font size=3>_10_0237.html</a>&nbsp; <br>
Perceptive Peter!<br>
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<font size=3>And, of course, you can buy photographs of one of the slabs, for 12.95 USD or less, depending on the resolution.<br> <a href="http://www.phototass.ru/news_info.asp?news_id=59962" eudora="autourl">http://www.phototass.ru/news_info.asp?news_id=59962</a><br> <br>
So there WAS as commercial aspect to this, perhaps as an opportunistic afterthought..<br>
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(Be on the lookout in the marketplace for genuine Ural slab pendants, to wear while you chant a mantra...)<br>
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This is my first posting to this group. The obvious question is 120 million years is a long time in geological terms, as an example the Alps and the Pyrennes were formed in a shorter time frame. Surely the area would have changed significantly in that time meaning a huge geological survey of the area to determine the relief 120 million years ago, or has the area just missed out a large period of geological weathering. If a geological survey was done then maybe they would have found remnants of this so called 'unknown' civilisation.

I hope I am making a valid point, though not map related but it seems to convenient.

Stuart


Vlad Shkurkin wrote:

> And, of course, you can buy photographs of one of the slabs, for 12.95 
> USD or less, depending on the resolution.
> http://www.phototass.ru/news_info.asp?news_id=59962
>
> So there WAS as commercial aspect to this, perhaps as an opportunistic 
> afterthought..
>
> (Be on the lookout in the marketplace for genuine Ural slab pendants, 
> to wear while you chant a mantra...)
>
> Enough...
>


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MapHist,

I thought I replied to the message re globes on this list yesterday but apparently my subscription had not moved with the site or perhaps it was weeded out some how. Anyway, if you all received this message yesterday--I apologize for the redundancy.

I am researching the globes manufactured by A. H. Andrews & Co. of Chicago (fl. ca. 1865-1910).  I have already surveyed most of the major U.S.
institutions with large (10 or more) holdings of globes for examples.
However, I would like to get the word out to private collectors that I am looking for these globes.  We Americans seem to be behind our European friends in the documentation of our material cultural history--at least when it comes to globes.  Thus far I have only found about five Andrews globes owned by institutions and another five owned privately--surely more exist?

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Scott R. McEathron
Asst. Map & Geography Librarian & Asst. Prof.

Map and Geography Library
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign 418 Main Library, MC-522
1408 West Gregory Dr.
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The following is in the David Rumsey Collection:

Andrews Eight Inch Terrestrial Globe with the latest discoveries and Oceanic currents. A.H. Andrews & Co. Chicago, Ill.
1875
Scale 1:59,000,000
This eight inch globe is shown in full color with the continental United States shown separately and Alaska named as such.  With a three -footed base and a horizon ring that includes the Zodiac signs and a calendar.  Total height of base and globe is 15 inches.  Date is estimated from Warner.


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Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 16:20:41 -0500

MapHist,

I thought I replied to the message re globes on this list yesterday but apparently my subscription had not moved with the site or perhaps it was weeded out some how. Anyway, if you all received this message yesterday--I apologize for the redundancy.

I am researching the globes manufactured by A. H. Andrews & Co. of Chicago (fl. ca. 1865-1910).  I have already surveyed most of the major U.S.
institutions with large (10 or more) holdings of globes for examples.
However, I would like to get the word out to private collectors that I am looking for these globes.  We Americans seem to be behind our European friends in the documentation of our material cultural history--at least when it comes to globes.  Thus far I have only found about five Andrews globes owned by institutions and another five owned privately--surely more exist?

----------------------------------
Scott R. McEathron
Asst. Map & Geography Librarian & Asst. Prof.

Map and Geography Library
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign 418 Main Library, MC-522
1408 West Gregory Dr.
Urbana, IL  61801

Phone: (217) 244-1893

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Phil Hoehn, Librarian
David Rumsey Collection
San Francisco
philhoehn@juno.com
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A friend in Japan is looking for information on the following.  I provided him some information passed on to me by a colleague in geography here at OSU, however, due to computer problems I have lost my copy of that note and can not re-cap for you the approaches that have been attempted to date.  He is interested in employing the maps below in a GIS project associated with a study of the effects of the atomic bombing of Hiroshima.

1946 AMS(ARMY MAP SERVICE)generated JAPAN CITY PLANS 1:12,500 L902 series?(ONE THOUSAND YARD WORLD POLYCONIC GRID,BAND 3N;ZONE B).
He notes that these maps used a POLYCONIC PROJECTION but is interested in learning more about the DATUM /  ELLIPSOID employed.
He notes that these used WORLD POLYCONIC GRID but wants more information on ·Central Meridian  / ·Origin Latitude and whether it is appropriate to calculate meters into modern metric values a 0.9144m.

(I hope I have correctly understood and translated the above.)

Many thanks in advance for any assistance you can provide.

Philip Brown
History Department
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<br>------------------------------------------------------------------ <br>SCOTTISH MAPS FORUM
<br>The National Library of Scotland is launching the Scottish Maps Forum as a successor to Project Pont.&nbsp;&nbsp; This will extend the scope of interest beyond Pont's 16th century maps, to other early Scottish maps (and mapmakers) and maps with a Scottish association.
<p>The Forum will continue Project Pont's aims of encouraging map use and multi-disciplinary research, together with collaboration and dissemination of information about maps, through a newsletter about twice a year, and at least one event each year.&nbsp; A Steering Committee, with representatives from the academic world and many of Scotland's major map repositories, has been set up to coordinate research and activities.
<p>Membership of the Scottish Maps Forum is free.&nbsp; If you wish to be put on the mailing list to receive the newsletter and to be notified of future events, contact <a href="mailto: maps@nls.uk">maps@nls.uk</a>.
<p>CAIRT: NEWSLETTER OF THE SCOTTISH MAPS FORUM <br>The first issue of Cairt (ISSN 1477-4186) has just been published and is available on request.&nbsp; It contains news of forthcoming events and articles on &lt;John Marr: an injenious marriner of Dundee> and &lt;The Pitlochry Puzzle - is it a castle?>.
<p>(The title &lt;Cairt> is Gaelic and 17th century Scots for a chart or map.)
<p>FIELD EXCURSION&nbsp; - SATURDAY 15 JUNE - TIMOTHY PONT'S FIFE <br>The first event to be organised is a field excursion by coach to explore parts of Fife with particular relevance to Timothy <br>Pont, and his life and work in the late 16th century.
<p>Starting in Culross, a short distance from Pont's family home at Shiresmill, the morning will be spent exploring the 16th century burgh.&nbsp; Then we go on to St Andrews for the afternoon, armed with John Geddy's manuscript plan of St Andrews, c.1580.&nbsp; The plan shows the town at about the time when Pont was an undergraduate in St Andrews, and we shall trace the surviving features.&nbsp; The day will conclude with a short visit to view the exterior of Scotstarvit Tower, the home of Sir John Scot, who was the &lt;middleman> in sending Pont's manuscripts to Amsterdam for engraving by Blaeu, and contributed so much to the texts.
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CAMBRIDGE HISTORY OF CARTOGRAPHY SEMINARS 2002

REMINDER NOTICE

May 7
Nicholas Dew (St Catharine's College, Cambridge) The cartographic projects of the early Paris Académie des sciences (1666-c.1700)

May 21
Jennifer Wallace (Peterhouse, Cambridge) Mapping Troy

June 4
Daniel Birkholz (Pomona College)
Harley Lyrics and Hereford Maps

June 11
Scott D. Westrem (Graduate Center and Lehman College, City University of New York)
Medieval Mapcraft

All meetings will be held in the Old Combination Room, Trinity College, Cambridge, England. Papers will begin at 5.30.

All welcome

For further details please contact Alfred Hiatt, Trinity College, Cambridge (ach26@cam.ac.uk)




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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2> <BR>In the latest newsletter from the New York Public Library the lead article is about the opening of a new part of the building &nbsp;-- the South Court. "Visitors [to the South Court] will be greeted by a media wall featuring a multiscreen presentation of digitized collection materials ranging from illuminated manuscripts to maps of colonial America ...." <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;It would be interesting to know what maps have now shown. We can be sure that Alice Hudson has selected some great ones. I wish that we could see them on our screens. Or can we?
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                       Last updated at: (Beijing Time) Tuesday, April 30, 2002
                       Over 2,200-Year-old Map Discovered in NW China

                       An ancient wooden map discovered by Chinese
                       archaeologists in northwest China's Gansu Province
                       has been confirmed as the country's oldest one at more
                       than 2,200 years. Believed to have been completed in
                       239 B.C., the map includes a drawing of Guixian
                       County of the Qin Kingdom.

                       An ancient wooden map discovered by Chinese
                       archaeologists in northwest China's Gansu Province has
                       been confirmed as the country's oldest one at an age of
                       more than 2,200.

                       The map was drawn on four pine plates, 23 cm long, 17
                       cm wide and 1.5 cm thick each, and includes a drawing of
                       Guixian County of the Qin Kingdom, one of the seven
                       major warlords in the era of the Warring States (475-221
                       B.C.).

                       The map, believed to have been completed in 239 B.C., is
                       more than 1,300 years older than the Hua Yi Tu and Yu Ji
                       Tu, both unearthed in the Forest of Steles in Xi'an, capital
                       of northwest China's Shaanxi Province.

                       It is 300 years older than the map of Western Han (206
                       B.C.- 24 A.D.), excavated from Mawangdui in central
                       China's Hunan Province in 1973, according to the State
                       Bureau of Surveying and Mapping.

                       He Shuangquan, a research fellow with the Gansu
                       Provincial Archaeological Research Institute, has made an
                       in-depth study of the map and confirmed its drawing time
                       to be 239 B.C..

                       This map provided material evidence of the developed
                       cartology of ancient China and was a precious artifact in
                       the study of China 's map-drawing technologies, said Li
                       Wanru, a research fellow with the ancient maps laboratory
                       of the Natural Science Research Institute under the
                       Chinese Academy of Sciences.

                       Li agreed with researcher He's viewpoint that the map was
                       the oldest among the existing maps in China.

                       Guixian County in the Warring States era

                       The map of Guixian was unearthed from tombs of the Qin
                       Kingdom at Fangmatan in Tianshui City of Gansu Province
                       in 1986 and was listed as a national treasure in 1994.

                       Located in the central Qinling Mountains, Fangmatan had
                       fertile soil in ancient times.

                       Textual research shows that more than 100 Qin tombs were
                       built on a slope in this section of the Qinling Mountains,
                       distributed in a fan shape.

                       All the tombs were well preserved, said archaeologists.

                       Archaeologists with the Gansu Provincial Archaeological
                       Research Institute excavated 13 Qin tombs and one tomb
                       of the Western Han at Fangmatan in 1986, unearthing over
                       400 relics including the map of Guixian County.

                       Researcher He said that the map, drawn in black on four
                       pine wood plates of almost the same size, had clear and
                       complete graphics depicting the administrative division, a
                       general picture of local geography and the economic
                       situation in Guixian County in the Warring States era.

                       Precise marks of waterways, forests

                       Eighty-two places are marked with their respective names,
                       locations of rivers, mountains and forested areas on the
                       map.

                       What is more surprising is that the map marks the location
                       of Wei Shui, now known as the Weihe River, and many
                       canyons in the area.

                       The location of the Weihe River marked on the map agrees
                       with the record in the Waterways Classic, a book by an
                       unknown author of the Three Kingdoms period (220-280
                       A.D.), giving a brief account of the country's 137 major
                       waterways.

                       Forested areas marked on the map also tallies with the
                       distribution of various plants and the natural environment in
                       the area today.

                       Unlike modern maps, place names on these maps were
                       written within big or small square frames, while the names
                       of rivers, roads, major mountains, water systems and
                       forested areas were marked directly with Chinese
                       characters. The distances of some roadways were also
                       marked clearly on the map.

                       Experts said that graphics, symbols, scales, locations,
                       longitude and latitude are key elements of a map. The map
                       of Guixian County has all these elements except longitude
                       and latitude, according to historians.

--
Dr. Duane F. Marble
Professor Emeritus of Geography                      Telephone:  614-292-4419 Center for Mapping                                            Fax:  614-292-8062 The Ohio State University
1216 Kinnear  Road                                           Email:  marble.1@osu.edu Columbus, Ohio  43212

    The (first) act of mapping was as profound as the invention of a number
    system. The use of a reduced, substitute space for that of reality, even
    when both can be seen, is an impressive act in itself; but the really awesome
    event was the similar representation of distant, out of sight features. The
    combination of the reduction of reality and the construction of an analogical
    space is an attainment in abstract thinking of a very high order indeed, for it
    enables one to discover structures that would remain unknown if not mapped.

         -- Arthur Robinson, Early Thematic Mapping in the History of Cartography


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Dear Maphistors and Historical Geographers,

I would like to add to David Woodward's remark, that being a Russian historian of Cartography, I have not gotten any SCIENTIFIC information on this "sensational finding", but just for the fan of it I'll try to get some information on it through my Bashkir post doctorate student.

With best regards,

Alexey Postnikov.

"by way of List-owner MapHist " wrote:

> Non-member submission from [WOODWARD David <dawoodwa@facstaff.wisc.edu>]
>
> Dear Maphisters:
>
> An article from Pravda is doing the rounds describing a find of stone
> slabs in the Ural Region by Dr. Alexandr Chuvyrov of Bashkir State
> University.  According to the article, Dr. Chuvyrov believes the
> slabs are fragments of a great relief map created by unknown people
> with unknown technology about 120 million years ago.  The article
> further states that these artifacts are being investigated by "Centre
> of Historical Cartography" in "Visconsin."
>
> The History of Cartography project in Wisconsin has NOT endorsed this
> find, and we don't know of a "Centre of Historical Cartography" in
> this state. So there's another "unknown" to add to the "unknown
> people with unknown technology" . . .
>
> x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x
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> (note from listowner: it is 1 May, not 1 April)
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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Message d'origine-----<BR><B>De&nbsp;:</B> Cardinal, Louis <BR><B>Envoyé&nbsp;:</B> lundi 6 mai 2002 08:52<BR><B>À&nbsp;:</B> CARTA (E-mail); CARTE (E-mail); MapHist (E-mail)<BR><B>Objet&nbsp;:</B> Exhibition featuring early maps= Exposition contenant des cartes anciennes<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV>
<H1 class=center><SPAN class=683043612-06052002><FONT size=3>Submitted by Louis Cardinal, National Archives of Canada, Ottawa K1A 0N3, Canada. (613) 996-7619, @: <A href="mailto:lcardinal@archives.ca">lcardinal@archives.ca</A>&nbsp; / Envoye par Louis Cardinal, Archives Nationales du Canada, Ottawa K1A 0N3, Canada, (613) 996-7619, @: <A 
href="mailto:lcardinal@archives.ca">lcardinal@archives.ca</A></FONT></SPAN></H1> <H1 class=center><SPAN class=683043612-06052002><FONT size=3>------------------------------------</FONT></SPAN></H1> <H1 class=center><SPAN class=683043612-06052002></SPAN>News Release</H1> <P><STRONG>2002-09</STRONG></P>
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<H2>The Belgian Connection: Original Maps, Atlases and Engravings Featured in National Library of Canada Exhibit</H2> <P><B>Ottawa, May 1, 2002 </B>&#8211; A 1635 map of the North Pole and one of the first published atlases are among the many rare documents featured in a new exhibit at the National Library of Canada. Canadian Heritage Minister Sheila Copps and Belgian Ambassador Luc Carbonez officially opened the exhibition today.</P>
<P><B><I>The Belgian Connection</I></B>, sponsored by the Embassy of Belgium and the National Library of Canada, in cooperation with the National Archives of Canada, centres around maps, atlases and travel accounts of explorers of the New World and early missionaries of the 16th and 17th century. </P> <P>His Excellency Luc Carbonez, Ambassador of Belgium, Dr. Roch Carrier, National Librarian, <BR>Dr. Ian Wilson, National Archivist, and Madame Claire Carbonez-Dejaeger, curator of the exhibition, were among the dignitaries present at the official opening, and spoke on the importance of the exhibit and how it demonstrates some of the surprising connections between our two countries.</P> <P>Featured in the exhibit are the works of Belgian cartographers and chroniclers such as Abraham Ortelius, Gerard Mercator, Théodore de Bry and Cornelius de Jode. These works are among the oldest original documents in the collections of both the National Library of Canada and the National Archives of Canada. The National Library&#8217;s Rare Book Collection also includes works of Jesuit and Récollet missionaries who came to New France at the end of the 17th century, Louis Hennepin being the most famous. These maps, atlases and travel journals provided seafarers and adventurers with valuable information on the New World.</P>
<P>The exhibit will run until the end of June in Exhibition Room D of the National Library of Canada, 395 Wellington Street in Ottawa. Admission is free of charge</P>
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<H2>La Filière belge : Exposition de cartes, atlas et gravures à la Bibliothèque nationale du Canada</H2>
<P><B>Ottawa, le 1 mai 2002</B> &#8211; Une carte de 1635 indiquant le Pôle nord et un exemplaire d&#8217;un des tout premiers atlas publiés figurent au nombre des précieux documents faisant partie de la nouvelle exposition qui a ouvert ses portes aujourd&#8217;hui à la Bibliothèque nationale du Canada, en présence de la Ministre du Patrimoine canadien l&#8217;honorable Sheila Copps et de l&#8217;Ambassadeur de Belgique, Monsieur Luc Carbonez. </P>
<P>Organisée par l&#8217;Ambassade de Belgique et la Bibliothèque nationale du Canada, en collaboration avec les Archives nationales du Canada, l&#8217;exposition <B><I>La Filière belge</I></B> nous fait découvrir des cartes géographiques et des atlas dressés d&#8217;après les récits de voyages au Nouveau Monde des explorateurs et des premiers missionnaires aux XVI<SUP>e</SUP> et XVII<SUP>e</SUP> siècles.</P> <P>Lors de la cérémonie d&#8217;ouverture, Son Excellence M. Luc Carbonez, Ambassadeur de Belgique, <BR>M. Roch Carrier, Administrateur général de la Bibliothèque nationale du Canada, M. Ian Wilson, Archiviste national et M<SUP>me</SUP> Claire Carbonez-Dejaeger, conservateur de La Filière belge, ont eu l&#8217;occasion de souligner l&#8217;intérêt de cette exposition qui nous dévoile un aspect encore méconnu des nombreux liens unissant nos deux pays.</P> <P>Les travaux des cartographes et chroniqueurs belges tels que Abraham Ortelius, Gerard Mercator, Théodore de Bry et Cornelius de Jode, figurent parmi les plus anciens documents originaux des collections de la Bibliothèque nationale du Canada et des Archives nationales du Canada. La Collection des Livres rares de la Bibliothèque nationale comprend également des ouvrages des missionnaires jésuites et récollets venus en Nouvelle-France à la fin du XVII<SUP>e</SUP> siècle, Louis Hennepin étant le plus célèbre. Ces cartes, atlas et livres de voyage ont fourni des renseignements essentiels sur le Nouveau Monde aux navigateurs et aventuriers. </P> <P><B><I>La Filière belge</I></B> sera ouverte au public jusqu&#8217;à la fin juin dans la salle d&#8217;exposition D de la Bibliothèque nationale du Canada, au 395, rue Wellington, Ottawa. L&#8217;entrée est libre. </P></SPAN></DIV></BODY></HTML>

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You can find these maps discussed and illustrated in volume 2.2 of the History of Cartography (pp. 37-40).

At 10:14 AM 5/5/02 -0400, you wrote:
 >http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200204/30/eng20020430_95013.shtml  >
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 >                       Over 2,200-Year-old Map Discovered in NW China  >
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Could someone on the list advise if all editions of Bayer's Uranometria included the tables on the verso of the plates.  I am in possession of a 1639 Ulm edition, without tables.

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Barry Ruderman wrote:
 
> Could someone on the list advise if all editions of Bayer's Uranometria
> included the tables on the verso of the plates.  I am in possession of a
> 1639 Ulm edition, without tables.

Hi,

Many of the later editions of Bayer's Uranometria (1603) did not include the tables.
 
Deborah Warner's "The Sky Explored: Celestial Cartography 1500-1800" (Alan R. Liss/Theatrum Orbis Terrarum, New York/Amsterdam, 1979) should provide the necessary information.

Regards,

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Ferjan Ormeling Sr who, in addition to teaching modern cartography also contributed several published articles in the history of cartography, died over a week ago.  His funeral was (apparently) today. 

[personal information revealed this lunch-time by Dr Christopher Board, Chair of  ICA Commission 'History of Cartography', Tuesday 7 May 2002]

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<DIV>[Posted to MapHist, lismaps, Maps-L, liber-GdC,&nbsp;carta, ExLibris and Archives.&nbsp; Please excuse duplication, but copy on to other lists or individuals who might find it relevant]</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Thefts of early maps and books</DIV> <DIV>--------------------------------</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>A&nbsp;series of webpages have just been mounted, in response to the series of thefts in recent years of early maps from libraries in North America and Europe.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Entering via the menu </DIV> <DIV>&lt; <A 
href="http://ihr.sas.ac.uk/maps/thefts.html">http://ihr.sas.ac.uk/maps/thefts.html</A>&nbsp;&gt; gives access to four specific pages:-</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>*&nbsp; How should we respond to early map thefts? <BR>*&nbsp; Links relating to the theft of early books and maps <BR>*&nbsp; Report of the 'Responding to Theft' seminar (National Library of Wales, 25 April 2002) <BR>*&nbsp; European map thefts (2001) </DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>The third page carries a report of a seminar, held in Aberystwyth two weeks ago.&nbsp; This&nbsp;concluded that what was most needed to ensure a better response to any future thefts was more effective co-ordination (internationally) within the research library and archive communities, and between those groups and the trade networks.&nbsp; Participants also supported the immediate disclosure by institutions, firstly of the circumstances of the theft, and secondly&nbsp;of the full details of what had been taken.&nbsp; In that way, other libraries would be forewarned, and the trade could assist in apprehending the thieves and recovering the stolen items.&nbsp; A publicly accessible, web register (with the name of the institution concerned suppressed if it wished) was suggested as the best way forward, provided that copy-specific details were included.</DIV>
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<DIV>'How should we respond to early map thefts?' explores those suggestions in greater depth, in a personal capacity.&nbsp; The extensive list of Links (many of which relate to Rare Books) details 'the networks and practices of institutions and the trade, and the reporting of thefts'.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>It is hoped that some of these ideas may be fed into the&nbsp; forthcoming&nbsp;conference on 'Library Security Management', to be held at the Royal Library, Copenhagen, 13-14 May </DIV> <DIV>&lt; <A 
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Fellow Map Lovers,
  The Rocky Mountain Map Society is pleased to announce that The Second Annual Rocky Mountain Antique Map Fair will take place on Saturday, September 21, 2001. The sale will be a one day event and will be open to the public from 9:00 AM until 5:00PM. It will be held in the conference center on the lower level of the Denver Public Library at 10 W. 14th Avenue Parkway, (13th Avenue & Broadway) in downtown Denver, Colorado.
Admission is $5.00 at the door.
    Last year’s fair was an unqualified success. We will be expanding this year but still keeping the fair small enough to provide large display areas for each booth. The list of exhibitors includes some of the best known dealers in the world as well as several dealers with local expertise and focus. We strive for an international appeal with a local flavor. Twenty antique map dealers will be on hand, and a wide variety of cartographic treasures will be available for viewing and purchase.
  The Fair is sponsored by the Rocky Mountain Map Society and the Friends Foundation of the Denver Public Library.  The Denver Public Library is home to a fine collection of western cartography. We hope to schedule an exhibit to coincide with the Map Fair.
   Many choices in lodgings are available within easy walking distance of the Fair site. We will be reserving a block of rooms in the Downtown Comfort Inn at the discounted rate of $109.00 per room. The Comfort Inn is owned by and physically connected to the Brown Palace Hotel, the best known and possibly the finest hotel in Denver. Amenities of the Brown Palace are available to Comfort Inn guests. This hotel is about 3 blocks from the DPL.  Arrangements should be made directly with the Comfort Inn. The discount rate is available by mentioning the Rocky Mountain Antique Map Fair. Their web site is comfortinndenver.com .
   Details are available on our web site rmmaps.org .
   If I can answer any questions or address any concerns, please feel free to contact me at farwesttc@sisna.com.

Thank You
   Myron West
   Coordinator - Rocky Mountain Antique Map Fair
   Rocky Mountain Map Society

Our mailing address is:
Rocky Mountain Map Society
1790 Hudson St.
Denver CO 80220

The preliminary slate of exhibitors is listed below.


Old World Auctions
671 Hwy. 179 Suite E3
Sedona AZ 86336
oldworldauctions.com


Old Map Gallery
1746 Blake St.
Denver CO  80202
oldmapgallery.com


W. Graham Arader III
5015 Westheimer
Galleria One Ste. 2303
Houston, TX 77056
bruneni-arader@email.msn.com


Dumont Maps & Books
314 McKenzie St.
Santa Fe NM 87504
dumontbooks.com


WorldView Antique Maps, LLC
113 Todd Road
Katonah, New York 10536 USA
Tel:  914-232-6142 or Toll Free: 1-888-369-6277 worldviewmaps.com


Antiquariat Reinhold Berg
Wahlenstr. 6    93047
Regensburg   Germany
bergbook.com

Antiquariat Adina Sommer
Rosenheimerstr. 8   81669
Munchen  Germany
asommer.de


The Old Print Shop, Inc.
150 Lexington Avenue
New York NY 10016
oldprintshop.net


Barry Lawrence Ruderman Antique Maps Inc.
1298 Prospect, Suite 2C
La Jolla, CA  92037
raremaps.com


Old Maps and Prints
P.O. Box 100121
Fort Worth   TX 76185
americamaps.com

Art Source International Inc.
1237 Pearl Street
Boulder, Colorado 80302
mapsandprints.com


Far West Maps & Books
210 W 16th St.
Cheyenne WY 82001
farwestmaps.com

Brendan Moss Esq.
110-332 Water St.
Vancouver BC V6B1B6
Canada


Terra Firma Antique Maps
P.O.Box 45320
San Diego CA 92145
jgubbins@san.rr.com


Alexandre Antique Maps Prints & Books
104 Queen St, East
Toronto Ontario M5C 1S6 Canada
alexandremaps.com


Cartographic Arts
POBox 2202
Petersburg VA 23804
dogstar.com


Thomas Hotter Gallery
94 Water St. – Rockdale
Cambridge WI 53523


Regency Galleries
740 La Cinega Blvd.
Los Angeles CA 90069
ramforum@aol.com


Garwood & Voigt Antiquarian Maps & Prints 55 Bayham Road
Sevenoaks TN 13 3XE England
GV@garwood-voigt.com


 Sandra & John Berryman Fine Books
170 Laurelwood Lane
Ormond Beach FL  32174
BiblioSandy@worldnet.att.net




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Fellow Map Lovers,
  The Rocky Mountain Map Society is pleased to announce that The Second Annual Rocky Mountain Antique Map Fair will take place on Saturday, September 21, 2001. The sale will be a one day event and will be open to the public from 9:00 AM until 5:00PM. It will be held in the conference center on the lower level of the Denver Public Library at 10 W. 14th Avenue Parkway, (13th Avenue & Broadway) in downtown Denver, Colorado.
Admission is $5.00 at the door.
    Last year’s fair was an unqualified success. We will be expanding this year but still keeping the fair small enough to provide large display areas for each booth. The list of exhibitors includes some of the best known dealers in the world as well as several dealers with local expertise and focus. We strive for an international appeal with a local flavor. Twenty antique map dealers will be on hand, and a wide variety of cartographic treasures will be available for viewing and purchase.
  The Fair is sponsored by the Rocky Mountain Map Society and the Friends Foundation of the Denver Public Library.  The Denver Public Library is home to a fine collection of western cartography. We hope to schedule an exhibit to coincide with the Map Fair.
   Many choices in lodgings are available within easy walking distance of the Fair site. We will be reserving a block of rooms in the Downtown Comfort Inn at the discounted rate of $109.00 per room. The Comfort Inn is owned by and physically connected to the Brown Palace Hotel, the best known and possibly the finest hotel in Denver. Amenities of the Brown Palace are available to Comfort Inn guests. This hotel is about 3 blocks from the DPL.  Arrangements should be made directly with the Comfort Inn. The discount rate is available by mentioning the Rocky Mountain Antique Map Fair. Their web site is comfortinndenver.com .
   Details are available on our web site rmmaps.org .
   If I can answer any questions or address any concerns, please feel free to contact me at farwesttc@sisna.com.

Thank You
   Myron West
   Coordinator - Rocky Mountain Antique Map Fair
   Rocky Mountain Map Society

Our mailing address is:
Rocky Mountain Map Society
1790 Hudson St.
Denver CO 80220

The preliminary slate of exhibitors is listed below.


Old World Auctions
671 Hwy. 179 Suite E3
Sedona AZ 86336
oldworldauctions.com


Old Map Gallery
1746 Blake St.
Denver CO  80202
oldmapgallery.com


W. Graham Arader III
5015 Westheimer
Galleria One Ste. 2303
Houston, TX 77056
bruneni-arader@email.msn.com


Dumont Maps & Books
314 McKenzie St.
Santa Fe NM 87504
dumontbooks.com


WorldView Antique Maps, LLC
113 Todd Road
Katonah, New York 10536 USA
Tel:  914-232-6142 or Toll Free: 1-888-369-6277 worldviewmaps.com


Antiquariat Reinhold Berg
Wahlenstr. 6    93047
Regensburg   Germany
bergbook.com

Antiquariat Adina Sommer
Rosenheimerstr. 8   81669
Munchen  Germany
asommer.de


The Old Print Shop, Inc.
150 Lexington Avenue
New York NY 10016
oldprintshop.net


Barry Lawrence Ruderman Antique Maps Inc.
1298 Prospect, Suite 2C
La Jolla, CA  92037
raremaps.com


Old Maps and Prints
P.O. Box 100121
Fort Worth   TX 76185
americamaps.com

Art Source International Inc.
1237 Pearl Street
Boulder, Colorado 80302
mapsandprints.com


Far West Maps & Books
210 W 16th St.
Cheyenne WY 82001
farwestmaps.com

Brendan Moss Esq.
110-332 Water St.
Vancouver BC V6B1B6
Canada


Terra Firma Antique Maps
P.O.Box 45320
San Diego CA 92145
jgubbins@san.rr.com


Alexandre Antique Maps Prints & Books
104 Queen St, East
Toronto Ontario M5C 1S6 Canada
alexandremaps.com


Cartographic Arts
POBox 2202
Petersburg VA 23804
dogstar.com


Thomas Hotter Gallery
94 Water St. – Rockdale
Cambridge WI 53523


Regency Galleries
740 La Cinega Blvd.
Los Angeles CA 90069
ramforum@aol.com


Garwood & Voigt Antiquarian Maps & Prints 55 Bayham Road
Sevenoaks TN 13 3XE England
GV@garwood-voigt.com


 Sandra & John Berryman Fine Books
170 Laurelwood Lane
Ormond Beach FL  32174
BiblioSandy@worldnet.att.net




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Fellow Map Lovers,
  The Rocky Mountain Map Society is pleased to announce that The Second Annual Rocky Mountain Antique Map Fair will take place on Saturday, September 21, 2001. The sale will be a one day event and will be open to the public from 9:00 AM until 5:00PM. It will be held in the conference center on the lower level of the Denver Public Library at 10 W. 14th Avenue Parkway, (13th Avenue & Broadway) in downtown Denver, Colorado.
Admission is $5.00 at the door.
    Last year’s fair was an unqualified success. We will be expanding this year but still keeping the fair small enough to provide large display areas for each booth. The list of exhibitors includes some of the best known dealers in the world as well as several dealers with local expertise and focus. We strive for an international appeal with a local flavor. Twenty antique map dealers will be on hand, and a wide variety of cartographic treasures will be available for viewing and purchase.
  The Fair is sponsored by the Rocky Mountain Map Society and the Friends Foundation of the Denver Public Library.  The Denver Public Library is home to a fine collection of western cartography. We hope to schedule an exhibit to coincide with the Map Fair.
   Many choices in lodgings are available within easy walking distance of the Fair site. We will be reserving a block of rooms in the Downtown Comfort Inn at the discounted rate of $109.00 per room. The Comfort Inn is owned by and physically connected to the Brown Palace Hotel, the best known and possibly the finest hotel in Denver. Amenities of the Brown Palace are available to Comfort Inn guests. This hotel is about 3 blocks from the DPL.  Arrangements should be made directly with the Comfort Inn. The discount rate is available by mentioning the Rocky Mountain Antique Map Fair. Their web site is comfortinndenver.com .
   Details are available on our web site rmmaps.org .
   If I can answer any questions or address any concerns, please feel free to contact me at farwesttc@sisna.com.

Thank You
   Myron West
   Coordinator - Rocky Mountain Antique Map Fair
   Rocky Mountain Map Society

Our mailing address is:
Rocky Mountain Map Society
1790 Hudson St.
Denver CO 80220

The preliminary slate of exhibitors is listed below.


Old World Auctions
671 Hwy. 179 Suite E3
Sedona AZ 86336
oldworldauctions.com


Old Map Gallery
1746 Blake St.
Denver CO  80202
oldmapgallery.com


W. Graham Arader III
5015 Westheimer
Galleria One Ste. 2303
Houston, TX 77056
bruneni-arader@email.msn.com


Dumont Maps & Books
314 McKenzie St.
Santa Fe NM 87504
dumontbooks.com


WorldView Antique Maps, LLC
113 Todd Road
Katonah, New York 10536 USA
Tel:  914-232-6142 or Toll Free: 1-888-369-6277 worldviewmaps.com


Antiquariat Reinhold Berg
Wahlenstr. 6    93047
Regensburg   Germany
bergbook.com

Antiquariat Adina Sommer
Rosenheimerstr. 8   81669
Munchen  Germany
asommer.de


The Old Print Shop, Inc.
150 Lexington Avenue
New York NY 10016
oldprintshop.net


Barry Lawrence Ruderman Antique Maps Inc.
1298 Prospect, Suite 2C
La Jolla, CA  92037
raremaps.com


Old Maps and Prints
P.O. Box 100121
Fort Worth   TX 76185
americamaps.com

Art Source International Inc.
1237 Pearl Street
Boulder, Colorado 80302
mapsandprints.com


Far West Maps & Books
210 W 16th St.
Cheyenne WY 82001
farwestmaps.com

Brendan Moss Esq.
110-332 Water St.
Vancouver BC V6B1B6
Canada


Terra Firma Antique Maps
P.O.Box 45320
San Diego CA 92145
jgubbins@san.rr.com


Alexandre Antique Maps Prints & Books
104 Queen St, East
Toronto Ontario M5C 1S6 Canada
alexandremaps.com


Cartographic Arts
POBox 2202
Petersburg VA 23804
dogstar.com


Thomas Hotter Gallery
94 Water St. – Rockdale
Cambridge WI 53523


Regency Galleries
740 La Cinega Blvd.
Los Angeles CA 90069
ramforum@aol.com


Garwood & Voigt Antiquarian Maps & Prints 55 Bayham Road
Sevenoaks TN 13 3XE England
GV@garwood-voigt.com


 Sandra & John Berryman Fine Books
170 Laurelwood Lane
Ormond Beach FL  32174
BiblioSandy@worldnet.att.net




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Fellow Map Lovers,
  The Rocky Mountain Map Society is pleased to announce that The Second Annual Rocky Mountain Antique Map Fair will take place on Saturday, September 21, 2001. The sale will be a one day event and will be open to the public from 9:00 AM until 5:00PM. It will be held in the conference center on the lower level of the Denver Public Library at 10 W. 14th Avenue Parkway, (13th Avenue & Broadway) in downtown Denver, Colorado.
Admission is $5.00 at the door.
    Last year’s fair was an unqualified success. We will be expanding this year but still keeping the fair small enough to provide large display areas for each booth. The list of exhibitors includes some of the best known dealers in the world as well as several dealers with local expertise and focus. We strive for an international appeal with a local flavor. Twenty antique map dealers will be on hand, and a wide variety of cartographic treasures will be available for viewing and purchase.
  The Fair is sponsored by the Rocky Mountain Map Society and the Friends Foundation of the Denver Public Library.  The Denver Public Library is home to a fine collection of western cartography. We hope to schedule an exhibit to coincide with the Map Fair.
   Many choices in lodgings are available within easy walking distance of the Fair site. We will be reserving a block of rooms in the Downtown Comfort Inn at the discounted rate of $109.00 per room. The Comfort Inn is owned by and physically connected to the Brown Palace Hotel, the best known and possibly the finest hotel in Denver. Amenities of the Brown Palace are available to Comfort Inn guests. This hotel is about 3 blocks from the DPL.  Arrangements should be made directly with the Comfort Inn. The discount rate is available by mentioning the Rocky Mountain Antique Map Fair. Their web site is comfortinndenver.com .
   Details are available on our web site rmmaps.org .
   If I can answer any questions or address any concerns, please feel free to contact me at farwesttc@sisna.com.

Thank You
   Myron West
   Coordinator - Rocky Mountain Antique Map Fair
   Rocky Mountain Map Society

Our mailing address is:
Rocky Mountain Map Society
1790 Hudson St.
Denver CO 80220

The preliminary slate of exhibitors is listed below.


Old World Auctions
671 Hwy. 179 Suite E3
Sedona AZ 86336
oldworldauctions.com


Old Map Gallery
1746 Blake St.
Denver CO  80202
oldmapgallery.com


W. Graham Arader III
5015 Westheimer
Galleria One Ste. 2303
Houston, TX 77056
bruneni-arader@email.msn.com


Dumont Maps & Books
314 McKenzie St.
Santa Fe NM 87504
dumontbooks.com


WorldView Antique Maps, LLC
113 Todd Road
Katonah, New York 10536 USA
Tel:  914-232-6142 or Toll Free: 1-888-369-6277 worldviewmaps.com


Antiquariat Reinhold Berg
Wahlenstr. 6    93047
Regensburg   Germany
bergbook.com

Antiquariat Adina Sommer
Rosenheimerstr. 8   81669
Munchen  Germany
asommer.de


The Old Print Shop, Inc.
150 Lexington Avenue
New York NY 10016
oldprintshop.net


Barry Lawrence Ruderman Antique Maps Inc.
1298 Prospect, Suite 2C
La Jolla, CA  92037
raremaps.com


Old Maps and Prints
P.O. Box 100121
Fort Worth   TX 76185
americamaps.com

Art Source International Inc.
1237 Pearl Street
Boulder, Colorado 80302
mapsandprints.com


Far West Maps & Books
210 W 16th St.
Cheyenne WY 82001
farwestmaps.com

Brendan Moss Esq.
110-332 Water St.
Vancouver BC V6B1B6
Canada


Terra Firma Antique Maps
P.O.Box 45320
San Diego CA 92145
jgubbins@san.rr.com


Alexandre Antique Maps Prints & Books
104 Queen St, East
Toronto Ontario M5C 1S6 Canada
alexandremaps.com


Cartographic Arts
POBox 2202
Petersburg VA 23804
dogstar.com


Thomas Hotter Gallery
94 Water St. – Rockdale
Cambridge WI 53523


Regency Galleries
740 La Cinega Blvd.
Los Angeles CA 90069
ramforum@aol.com


Garwood & Voigt Antiquarian Maps & Prints 55 Bayham Road
Sevenoaks TN 13 3XE England
GV@garwood-voigt.com


 Sandra & John Berryman Fine Books
170 Laurelwood Lane
Ormond Beach FL  32174
BiblioSandy@worldnet.att.net




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Subject: [MapHist] Scandinavian maps exhibition dates; new Enterline book on northern mapping
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Just a note on a couple of things:

"Scandia: Important Early maps of the Northern Regions and Maps and Charts of Norway From the collection of William B. and Inger G. Ginsberg" is at Scandinavia House, 58 Park Avenue, near 38th Street [a few blocks south of Grand Central Terminal] . The exhibition closes August 16, 2002.
Scandinavia House is closed on Saturdays in the summer, so please plan accordingly.  Info at 212-879-9779.         The exhibition was beautifully reviewed by Roberta Smith in the 4.26.02 NYTimes.  There is a catalog for this exhibition, which of course has walked away from me, but I will post the isbn and title asap.

Erikson, Eskimos & Columbus, Medieval European Knowledge of America, is the newest book from independent scholar James Robert Enterline. You may know of his earlier book, Viking America, the Norse  crossings and their legacy, 1972,  and his articles in "Terrae Incognitae, the journal for the History of Discoveries."  Isbn for "Erikson, Eskimos & Columbus..." is 0-8018-6660-x

Both of these books belong in research map collections. If you are in the metro area, do drop by to see the exhibition, and stop by the Map Division to say hello. [Just not on Sundays or Mondays when we are not open!]

Alice C. Hudson
Chief, Map Division
The Humanities and Social Sciences Library The New York Public Library
5th Avenue & 42nd Street, Room 117
New York, NY 10018-2788

ahudson@nypl.org; 212-930-0589; fax 212-930-0027

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I recently had posted on the Maphist website an image of a map depicting the Mediterranean and Red Sea Countries.  On its reverse is inscribed:

"William Steedman
His Book
Annodom
1728"

The map can be viewed at:  www.maphist.nl/illustr.html.

If anyone can provide me with information for this work, I would be most appreciative

Thank you.


Robert McHarg
New Orleans

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Oops, I forgot one, as Dr. Cobb reminds me.   Well, this is a bit further south in its geographic focus than those ice people maps.

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Borders and Boundaries: Maps of the Holy Land, 15th-19th centuries. April 17-July 21, 2002

An exhibition at the Herbert & Eileen Bernard Museum, Congregation Emanu-El of the City of New York

One East 65th [near Central park, between Fifth and Madison Avenues]

 212-744-1400      [x313 to arrange for docent led tour]

Hours: Sun-Th 10-4:30; Friday 10-4; Sat 1-4:30.  No charge.

Enjoy!


Alice C. Hudson
Chief, Map Division
The Humanities and Social Sciences Library The New York Public Library
5th Avenue & 42nd Street, Room 117
New York, NY 10018-2788

ahudson@nypl.org; 212-930-0589; fax 212-930-0027

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      Before adding James Enterline's book to your collection, I suggest that you read Kirsten Seaver's devastating review in the current issue of Mercator's World.

David Allen
Map Collection
SUNY Stony Brook


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Ahhh, it is always helpful to base purchases on the book, if possible, and not just reviews in popular magazines...


Alice C. Hudson
Chief, Map Division
The Humanities and Social Sciences Library The New York Public Library
5th Avenue & 42nd Street, Room 117
New York, NY 10018-2788

ahudson@nypl.org; 212-930-0589; fax 212-930-0027

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      Before adding James Enterline's book to your collection, I suggest that you read Kirsten Seaver's devastating review in the current issue of Mercator's World.

David Allen
Map Collection
SUNY Stony Brook


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>       Before adding James Enterline's book to your collection, I suggest
>that you read Kirsten Seaver's devastating review in the current issue of
>Mercator's World.

By all means, do read Kirsten's review, but while doing so keep in mind the history of our past interactions here on Maphist.  Mercator's World has invited me to make a response to the review in the next issue, and after you read that you'll see the devastation disappear.  Meanwhile, look at the book yourself and make up your own mind.

Jim

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Maps, of course, are playing an important role in the Middle East crisis.
If you want to see the Palestinian Authority textbooks maps, frequently referred to in the press, go to the website for the Center for Monitoring the Impact of Peace, a New York Jewish organization.  Find them at www.edume.org/reports/index.htm.  Report #P-01-03 is on Palestinian textbooks.  From the Table of Contents you can see the section on maps, which is illustrated with examples.  These maps erase Israel from the area it now occupies.

Evelyn Edson
Professor of History
Piedmont Virginia Community College
501 College Drive
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As a comment on Alice Hudson's e-mail re the Scandia exhibit in New York
>and the nice write-up about it in the New York Times by Roberta Smith, did
>you know that Roberta Smith is the daughter of Thomas R. Smith, geographer
>and cartographic historian whose research into the sea charts of Nicholas
>Comberford led to his discovery of the links between the "Thames School"
>chartmakers?  Smith comes by her interest in maps naturally.
>         Barbara McCorkle


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And it works both ways. Israel has often claimed all of Palestine as its own.

http://www.iris.org.il/sizemaps/arabwrld.htm http://www.iris.org.il/sizemaps/egypt.htm http://www.goisrael.com/planningyourtrip/gettingAround.asp http://www.infotour.co.il/israel_map.html

and from the Israeli Government, Survey of Israel http://www.mapi.gov.il/english_1/maps/maps.html

Richard Furno
Director of Cartography
Washington Post
Washington DC 20071
furnod@washpost.com

 > From: "Evelyn Edson" <eedson@PVCC.CC.VA.US>  > Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl
 > Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 12:55:31 -0400  > To: <maphist@geog.uu.nl>
 > Subject: [MapHist] Israel on Palestinian maps  >
 > Maps, of course, are playing an important role in the Middle East crisis.
 > If you want to see the Palestinian Authority textbooks maps, frequently  > referred to in the press, go to the website for the Center for Monitoring  > the Impact of Peace, a New York Jewish organization.  Find them at  > www.edume.org/reports/index.htm. Report #P-01-03 is on Palestinian  > textbooks.  From the Table of Contents you can see the section on maps,  > which is illustrated with examples.  These maps erase Israel from the area  > it now occupies.
 >
 > Evelyn Edson
 > Professor of History
 > Piedmont Virginia Community College
 > 501 College Drive
 > Charlottesville, VA 22902
 > (434) 961-5384
 >
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The map on http://www.mapi.gov.il/english_1/maps/maps.html is of an interim situation and clearly shows Palestinian responsibility in certain areas indicated on it.

The most interesting information on the www.edume.org/reports/index.htm site is what the Palestinian school children are taught about geography and maps among other subjects.

Roberto
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> Non-member submission from [RR Furno <rrfurno@comcast.net>]
>
>
> And it works both ways. Israel has often claimed all of Palestine as its
> own.
>
> http://www.iris.org.il/sizemaps/arabwrld.htm
> http://www.iris.org.il/sizemaps/egypt.htm
> http://www.goisrael.com/planningyourtrip/gettingAround.asp
> http://www.infotour.co.il/israel_map.html
>
> and from the Israeli Government, Survey of Israel
> http://www.mapi.gov.il/english_1/maps/maps.html
>
> Richard Furno
> Director of Cartography
> Washington Post
> Washington DC 20071
> furnod@washpost.com
>
>  > From: "Evelyn Edson" <eedson@PVCC.CC.VA.US>
>  > Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl
>  > Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 12:55:31 -0400
>  > To: <maphist@geog.uu.nl>
>  > Subject: [MapHist] Israel on Palestinian maps
>  >
>  > Maps, of course, are playing an important role in the Middle East crisis.
>  > If you want to see the Palestinian Authority textbooks maps, frequently
>  > referred to in the press, go to the website for the Center for Monitoring
>  > the Impact of Peace, a New York Jewish organization.  Find them at
>  > www.edume.org/reports/index.htm. Report #P-01-03 is on Palestinian
>  > textbooks.  From the Table of Contents you can see the section on maps,
>  > which is illustrated with examples.  These maps erase Israel from the area
>  > it now occupies.
>  >
>  > Evelyn Edson
>  > Professor of History
>  > Piedmont Virginia Community College
>  > 501 College Drive
>  > Charlottesville, VA 22902
>  > (434) 961-5384
>  >
>  >
>
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Let's please focus on antiquarian maps, now that we have heard from "both" sides, and not escalate this any further?


Alice C. Hudson
Chief, Map Division
The Humanities and Social Sciences Library The New York Public Library
5th Avenue & 42nd Street, Room 117
New York, NY 10018-2788

ahudson@nypl.org; 212-930-0589; fax 212-930-0027

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 5/11/2002 10:47:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ryvmayer@internet.com.mx writes:<BR> <BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">The map on http://www.mapi.gov.il/english_1/maps/maps.html is of an interim<BR> situation and clearly shows Palestinian responsibility in certain areas<BR> indicated on it.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
It is sad to note that the map on http://www.mapi.gov.il/english_1/maps/maps.html (prepared by the government of Israel) shows the West Bank as an integral part of Israel - an idea rejected by the entire civilized world.<BR> <BR>
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 5/11/2002 11:28:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ahudson@NYPL.ORG writes:<BR> <BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Let's please focus on antiquarian maps, now that we have heard from "both"<BR> sides, and not escalate this any further?</BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BR>
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At 09:34 AM 5/11/02 -0500, you wrote:<br> <blockquote type=cite cite>Maps, of course, are playing an important role in the Middle East<br>
crisis.</blockquote><br>
I cannot conceive (leaving out the argument of my own limited capacity) that the complexity of issues surrounding the political geography of this region can be easily discussed on MapHist. A few links, completely inadequate to the task:<br>
<br>
&lt;<a href="http://www.bgu.ac.il/NCRD/bib1/val/Palestine.htm" eudora="autourl">http://www.bgu.ac.il/NCRD/bib1/val/Palestine.htm</a>&gt;<br> <br>
&lt;<a href="http://www.bible-history.com/bhodb/links.cfm?cat=22&amp;sub=55" eudora="autourl">http://www.bible-history.com/bhodb/links.cfm?cat=22&amp;sub=55</a>&gt;<br> <br>
&lt;<a href="http://www.al-bab.com/arab/maps/maps.htm" eudora="autourl">http://www.al-bab.com/arab/maps/maps.htm</a>&gt;<br> <br>
&lt;<a href="http://www.archiveeditions.co.uk/Leafcopy/835lflt.htm" eudora="autourl">http://www.archiveeditions.co.uk/Leafcopy/835lflt.htm</a>&gt;<br> <br>
&lt;<a href="http://www.pef.org.uk/" eudora="autourl">http://www.pef.org.uk/</a>&gt;<br> <br>
I am not &quot;selling&quot; the information present on any of these sites, but a quote does come to mind:<br> <br>
<b>&quot;Among the most memorable features of Harley's writing is his fondness for words like <i>all, every, no, never, inherent, quintessential, universal, ubiquity, </i>and <i>rule. </i>Thus it is not just some but all maps that include a hidden component of symbols, ideas, and even fictions transcending what is merely physical or technical...all maps are social...they are also all political...&quot;<br>  From J.H. Andrews' introduction to J.B. Harley's <u>The New Nature of Maps</u>, The Johns Hopkins Univ. Press, 2001.<br> <br>
</b>The following atlas addresses a few modern boundary issues: <font color="#FF0000"><b>The Survey of Israel (multiauthored atlas)</b></font> <font color="#FF0000">Atlas of Israel, Cartography Physical and Human Geography </font><i>MacMillan Publishing Company New York 1985</i>. This is the third edition (the most recent), with 40 printed color plates (numbered), in collaboration with The Survey of Israel (Tel Aviv). The first edition, published c. 1964, dealt with Israel within the 1949 armistice lines. The second edition (1970) covered the post-cease fire lines from 1967. This edition includes the territory as of 1985, but also include the Sinai (returned to Egypt 1982).<br> <br>
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Joel Kovarsky<br>
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From: "Duane F. Marble" <marble.1@osu.edu>

A good suggestion, but remember that today's map controversy will no doubt become tomorrow's obscure doctoral dissertation ...

ahudson@NYPL.ORG wrote:
>Let's please focus on antiquarian maps, now that we have heard from "both"
>sides, and not escalate this any further?
>
>Alice C. Hudson



-- 
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     The (first) act of mapping was as profound as the invention of a number
     system. The use of a reduced, substitute space for that of reality, even
     when both can be seen, is an impressive act in itself; but the really awesome
     event was the similar representation of distant, out of sight features. The
     combination of the reduction of reality and the construction of an analogical
     space is an attainment in abstract thinking of a very high order indeed, for it
     enables one to discover structures that would remain unknown if not mapped.

          -- Arthur Robinson, Early Thematic Mapping in the History of Cartography



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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I feel I must write this in spite of Alice Hudson's wise suggestion to focus on antiquarian maps<BR><BR>As mentioned before the map is interim, it shows areas where agreements were already reached between Israel and&nbsp;the Palestinian Authority, it can not show a boundary which has not yet been agreed upon. Maps have to be read carefully so as to see what they are meant to inform, and without prejudice which adds meanings that drawn by the mapmaker.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The expression "civilized world" is definitely outdated.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Roberto</DIV> <DIV><BR></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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  <A title=MKBabinski@aol.com 
  href="mailto:MKBabinski@aol.com">MKBabinski@aol.com</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=maphist@geog.uu.nl 
  href="mailto:maphist@geog.uu.nl">maphist@geog.uu.nl</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, May 11, 2002 10:22 
  AM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [MapHist] Israel on 
  Palestinian maps</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0 face=Arial size=2 
  FAMILY="SANSSERIF">In a message dated 5/11/2002 10:47:40 AM Eastern Daylight 
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  <BLOCKQUOTE 
  style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" 
  TYPE="CITE">The map on <A 
    href="http://www.mapi.gov.il/english_1/maps/maps.html">http://www.mapi.gov.il/english_1/maps/maps.html</A> 
    is of an interim<BR>situation and clearly shows Palestinian responsibility 
    in certain areas<BR>indicated on it.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>It is sad to note that 
  the map on <A 
  href="http://www.mapi.gov.il/english_1/maps/maps.html">http://www.mapi.gov.il/english_1/maps/maps.html</A> 
  (prepared by the government of Israel) shows the West Bank as an integral part 
  of Israel - an idea rejected by the entire civilized world.<BR><BR>Mark<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></FONT></BODY></HTML>

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<DIV><SPAN class=730001818-11052002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Ladies and gents,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=730001818-11052002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=730001818-11052002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I am not a cartography person, and do not have a professional interest in maps.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=730001818-11052002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>However, I have had need of maps of Israel from the times of King David and earlier, and have found few that are complete.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=730001818-11052002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Especially, I would like to see a map that has reference to <EM>all </EM>biblical places, and some indication of the accuracy of the position.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=730001818-11052002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Your discussion points to a need for a map-type resource that would show the political evolution of this area from the beginning of recorded history.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=730001818-11052002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Is there such a resource? </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=730001818-11052002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=730001818-11052002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Thank you all for a lively and interesting discussion</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=730001818-11052002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=730001818-11052002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Carmen</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=730001818-11052002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><A href="mailto:carmenv@simplybetter.net">carmenv@simplybetter.net</A></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma 
  size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl 
  [mailto:owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl]<B>On Behalf Of </B>V+R Mayer<BR><B>Sent:</B> 
  Saturday, May 11, 2002 10:07 AM<BR><B>To:</B> 
  maphist@geog.uu.nl<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [MapHist] Israel on Palestinian 
  maps<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I feel I must write this in spite of Alice 
  Hudson's wise suggestion to focus on antiquarian maps<BR><BR>As mentioned 
  before the map is interim, it shows areas where agreements were already 
  reached between Israel and&nbsp;the Palestinian Authority, it can not show a 
  boundary which has not yet been agreed upon. Maps have to be read carefully so 
  as to see what they are meant to inform, and without prejudice which adds 
  meanings that drawn by the mapmaker.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The expression "civilized world" is definitely 
  outdated.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Roberto</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=maphist@geog.uu.nl 
    href="mailto:maphist@geog.uu.nl">maphist@geog.uu.nl</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, May 11, 2002 10:22 
    AM</DIV>
    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [MapHist] Israel on 
    Palestinian maps</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0 face=Arial size=2 
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    <BLOCKQUOTE 
    style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" 
    TYPE="CITE">The map on <A 
      href="http://www.mapi.gov.il/english_1/maps/maps.html">http://www.mapi.gov.il/english_1/maps/maps.html</A> 
      is of an interim<BR>situation and clearly shows Palestinian responsibility 
      in certain areas<BR>indicated on it.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>It is sad to note that 
    the map on <A 
    href="http://www.mapi.gov.il/english_1/maps/maps.html">http://www.mapi.gov.il/english_1/maps/maps.html</A> 
    (prepared by the government of Israel) shows the West Bank as an integral 
    part of Israel - an idea rejected by the entire civilized 
    world.<BR><BR>Mark<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></FONT></BODY></HTML>

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Dear MapHisters,<BR> <BR>
Over the years I noticed a number of Melish and Tanner maps colored in thick outline - where the coloring, moving away from the outlined border, is gradually fainter (weaker) than at the border itself, eventually disappearing into the white of the uncolored areas. The beauty of those maps is striking (and so are the prices).<BR> <BR>
I just came across an 1834&nbsp; American newspaper article describing how this style of coloring was achieved and the name of the technique - "SHADING".&nbsp; Could it be an American invention?&nbsp; The few paragraphs below, copied from this newspaper article describing a tour of Henry Schenk Tanner's Geographical Establishment in Philadelphia, appear to imply that this may be the case.&nbsp; However, English maps are also mentioned.<BR> <BR>
What do you think? And what exactly is a "PORT CRAYON" - given as an example to describe the shape of the wet sponge used to obtain such subtle color variations? Any ideas?<BR> <BR>
Mark<BR>
<BR>
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' From the printing office we passed into the coloring rooms on the same floor. These are very extensive and in every respect appear to be well adapted for the purpose to which they are devoted. They are occupied exclusively by respectably attired females by whom the maps are colored. The neatness and order, apparent through this branch of the establishment, cannot fail to strike every beholder.<BR> <BR>
To facilitate the process of coloring, the maps are printed upon highly sized paper, which is afterwards tested by passing a damp sponge over the face of each, when if any defects in the sizing exists, they instantly appear in small spots of a circular form. By this operation, a useless waste of time and materials in the vain attempt, to color such maps is thus avoided. This simple contrivance may afford a useful practical hint to young artists and amateurs in water color drawing.<BR> <BR>
Liquid colors are employed altogether in this branch of colouring [sic]. It consists of three varieties, viz: "WASHING," "SHADING," and "LINING," sometimes called "NARROW LINING." <BR> <BR>
By the first mode, the color is spread over the entire surface of a portion of the map, with a large camels hair brush; much practice is required to produce a uniform tint in all its parts which constitutes the chief beauty of this style of coloring.<BR> <BR>
The second variety (SHADING) is commenced with a brush similar to that used in the foregoing method; and completed by the application of a wet sponge, resembling, in form, a port crayon; with this are produced those nice graduations of tints from the strongest to those almost imperceptible shades which serve, not only to mark the sub-divisions, but also to beautify, a map. THESE MODES OF COLORING ARE ALMOST PECULIAR TO THIS COUNTRY. <BR> <BR>
With the exception of some English maps of a recent date, nearly all European maps, with which we are acquainted, are colored by a single faint line extending along the engraved boundaries. This mode, which Mr. Tanner prefers over all others, and which he has endeavored to introduce into more general use, here; serves every useful purpose for which coloring is designed; and is free from the objection which is justly urged against the others, for their liability to impair in some measure, that clearness in the engraving, which is so desirable.<BR> <BR>
The public taste, however, was found to be decidedly in favor of full coloring, and in consequence, the lining system is scarcely ever employed except in delineating canals, railroads, &amp;c. <BR> <BR>
Among the various mechanical employments in which young females are engaged, there are few more attractive or beneficial in every point of view, than that of map coloring. This appears to be well understood, as applications for admission of young ladies, who desire to acquire the knowledge of the art, have always been numerous, and, of late, have become still more so. In addition to the pecuniary compensation (from 3 to 5 dollars a week, each,) received by the colorers [sic], they have the opportunity of acquiring an extensive acquaintance with general Geography, which the daily inspection of maps cannot fail to impress upon their minds. '<BR> <BR>
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A 'port crayon' was the chalk, pastel, ink or litho pencil (wax) holder that a colorist or outliner used in lieu of the wood and metal contraptions a pastelist (pencil rather than the more purist 'chunk') uses today to hold to minimize his handling and risking befouling the paper when either adjusting or righting it (his work) while working. 
He often used it in conjunction with a long dowel-rod with a wheel attached (imagine a very short stick for skiing) to keep his arm above the work.
With wax or ink as the foundation of an outine, it formed a resist that when a wash was added, kept the color fugitive from the darker intial drawing.
Tim Williams

> Dear MapHisters,
> 
> Over the years I noticed a number of Melish and Tanner maps colored in thick 
> outline - where the coloring, moving away from the outlined border, is 
> gradually fainter (weaker) than at the border itself, eventually disappearing 
> into the white of the uncolored areas. The beauty of those maps is striking 
> (and so are the prices).
> 
> I just came across an 1834  American newspaper article describing how this 
> style of coloring was achieved and the name of the technique - "SHADING".  
> Could it be an American invention?  The few paragraphs below, copied from 
> this newspaper article describing a tour of Henry Schenk Tanner's 
> Geographical Establishment in Philadelphia, appear to imply that this may be 
> the case.  However, English maps are also mentioned.
> 
> What do you think? And what exactly is a "PORT CRAYON" - given as an example 
> to describe the shape of the wet sponge used to obtain such subtle color 
> variations? Any ideas?
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> ' From the printing office we passed into the coloring rooms on the same 
> floor. These are very extensive and in every respect appear to be well 
> adapted for the purpose to which they are devoted. They are occupied 
> exclusively by respectably attired females by whom the maps are colored. The 
> neatness and order, apparent through this branch of the establishment, cannot 
> fail to strike every beholder.
> 
> To facilitate the process of coloring, the maps are printed upon highly sized 
> paper, which is afterwards tested by passing a damp sponge over the face of 
> each, when if any defects in the sizing exists, they instantly appear in 
> small spots of a circular form. By this operation, a useless waste of time 
> and materials in the vain attempt, to color such maps is thus avoided. This 
> simple contrivance may afford a useful practical hint to young artists and 
> amateurs in water color drawing.
> 
> Liquid colors are employed altogether in this branch of colouring [sic]. It 
> consists of three varieties, viz: "WASHING," "SHADING," and "LINING," 
> sometimes called "NARROW LINING." 
> 
> By the first mode, the color is spread over the entire surface of a portion 
> of the map, with a large camels hair brush; much practice is required to 
> produce a uniform tint in all its parts which constitutes the chief beauty of 
> this style of coloring.
> 
> The second variety (SHADING) is commenced with a brush similar to that used 
> in the foregoing method; and completed by the application of a wet sponge, 
> resembling, in form, a port crayon; with this are produced those nice 
> graduations of tints from the strongest to those almost imperceptible shades 
> which serve, not only to mark the sub-divisions, but also to beautify, a map. 
> THESE MODES OF COLORING ARE ALMOST PECULIAR TO THIS COUNTRY. 
> 
> With the exception of some English maps of a recent date, nearly all European 
> maps, with which we are acquainted, are colored by a single faint line 
> extending along the engraved boundaries. This mode, which Mr. Tanner prefers 
> over all others, and which he has endeavored to introduce into more general 
> use, here; serves every useful purpose for which coloring is designed; and is 
> free from the objection which is justly urged against the others, for their 
> liability to impair in some measure, that clearness in the engraving, which 
> is so desirable.
> 
> The public taste, however, was found to be decidedly in favor of full 
> coloring, and in consequence, the lining system is scarcely ever employed 
> except in delineating canals, railroads, &c. 
> 
> Among the various mechanical employments in which young females are engaged, 
> there are few more attractive or beneficial in every point of view, than that 
> of map coloring. This appears to be well understood, as applications for 
> admission of young ladies, who desire to acquire the knowledge of the art, 
> have always been numerous, and, of late, have become still more so. In 
> addition to the pecuniary compensation (from 3 to 5 dollars a week, each,) 
> received by the colorers [sic], they have the opportunity of acquiring an 
> extensive acquaintance with general Geography, which the daily inspection of 
> maps cannot fail to impress upon their minds. '
> 
> 
>    
> 

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I suggest you try www.maps-charts.com from the menu bar go to Asia-Middle East.  There are a number of such biblical maps including one that names the Twelve Lost Tribes of Israel and their encampments.

Wm. Stanley

Carmen Vertullo wrote:

 > Ladies and gents,I am not a cartography person,  > and do not have a professional interest in  > maps.However, I have had need of maps of Israel  > from the times of King David and earlier, and have  > found few that are complete.Especially, I would  > like to see a map that has reference to all  > biblical places, and some indication of the  > accuracy of the position.Your discussion points to  > a need for a map-type resource that would show the  > political evolution of this area from the  > beginning of recorded history.Is there such a  > resource? Thank you all for a lively and  > interesting
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the description is beautifully rendered...
is there a example of this work online?

rosemarie mckeon

 > A 'port crayon' was the chalk, pastel, ink or litho pencil (wax) holder  > that a colorist or outliner used in lieu of the wood and metal  > contraptions a pastelist (pencil rather than the more purist 'chunk') uses  > today to hold to minimize his handling and risking befouling the paper  > when either adjusting or righting it (his work) while working.
 > He often used it in conjunction with a long dowel-rod with a wheel  > attached (imagine a very short stick for skiing) to keep his arm above the  > work.
 > With wax or ink as the foundation of an outine, it formed a resist that  > when a wash was added, kept the color fugitive from the darker intial  > drawing.
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From: "dov" <msgavish@mscc.huji.ac.il>
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 >It is sad to note that the map on =
http://www.mapi.gov.il/english_1/maps/maps.html (prepared by the =  >government of Israel) shows the West Bank as an integral part of Israel = - an idea rejected by the >entire civilized world.

 >Mark

Thank you Mark on behalf of the savaged.
Dov
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Rosemarie,
The appliances that I was suggesting :
http://www.bay-town.com/members/jundo/maphist.jpg A close-up of the Rio Bravo/Norte region from Melish's 1820 map published by Carey in the same year for the American edition of Lavoisne's Genealogical, Historical.... & Geographical: http://www.bay-town.com/members/jundo/melishtex.jpg and an overall of the Melish work:
http://www.bay-town.com/members/jundo/melish20.jpg

Tim Williams


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> From: rmckeon@ucsd.edu
> Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 16:19:56 -0700 (PDT)
> 
> the description is beautifully rendered...
> is there a example of this work online?
> 
> rosemarie mckeon
> 
>  > A 'port crayon' was the chalk, pastel, ink or litho pencil (wax) holder
>  > that a colorist or outliner used in lieu of the wood and metal
>  > contraptions a pastelist (pencil rather than the more purist 'chunk') uses
>  > today to hold to minimize his handling and risking befouling the paper
>  > when either adjusting or righting it (his work) while working.
>  > He often used it in conjunction with a long dowel-rod with a wheel
>  > attached (imagine a very short stick for skiing) to keep his arm above the
>  > work.
>  > With wax or ink as the foundation of an outine, it formed a resist that
>  > when a wash was added, kept the color fugitive from the darker intial
>  > drawing.
>  > Tim Williams
>  > 
> 
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 5/12/2002 7:40:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, twilliam@coin.org writes:<BR> <BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">A close-up of the Rio Bravo/Norte region from Melish's 1820 map published<BR> by Carey in the same year for the American edition of Lavoisne's<BR> Genealogical, Historical.... &amp; Geographical:<BR> http://www.bay-town.com/members/jundo/melishtex.jpg<BR> and an overall of the Melish work:<BR>
http://www.bay-town.com/members/jundo/melish20.jpg<BR> <BR>
Tim Williams<BR>
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</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=4 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Times New Roman" LANG="0">Another excellent example is Herman Boÿe's map - A MAP OF THE STATE OF VIRGINIA, engraved by Henry S. Tanner in 1827 - reproduced on 11 full-color pages (and back of dust-jacket) in: RICHARD W. STEPHENSON &amp; MARIANNE M. McKEE - "VIRGINIA IN MAPS", pp. 147-157, The Library of Virginia, 2000. The small "corrected" section on p. 157 shows best the color graduations. I can almost hear old Herman exclaiming - Ÿä, däs kölör ïs güt !!!<BR>  <BR>
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We have just completed our Spring on-line catalog new entries include  the Middle East and North America at:
<http://www.maps-charts.com/Asia.htm> .  If you have any questions, please either e-mail us
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Subject: [MapHist] Fw: earthlights
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Many maphisters have probably seen this picture. I find it exciting every time I see it again. Enjoy!

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg

"The image is a panoramic view of the world from the new space station.
It is a night photo with the lights clearly indicating the populated areas. You can scroll East-West and North-South. Note that Canada's population is almost exclusively along the U.S. border. Moving east to Europe, there is a high population concentration along the Mediterranean Coast. It's easy to spot London, Paris, Stockholm and Vienna.
Check out the development of Israel compared to the rest of the Arab countries.
"Note the Nile River and the rest of the "Dark Continent". After the Nile, the lights don't come on again until Johannesburg. Look at the Australian Outback and the Trans-Siberian Rail Route. Moving east, the most striking observation is the difference between North and South Korea. Note the density of Japan.
"What a piece of photography. It is an absolutely awesome picture of the Earth taken from the Boeing built Space Station last November on a perfect night with no obscuring atmosphere".

 http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg


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Neat!  Thank you. 

Elizabeth Duran
eduran@pipeline.com
1-352-318-4567


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Many maphisters have probably seen this picture. I find it exciting every
time I see it again. Enjoy!

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg

"The image is a panoramic view of the world from the new space station.
It is a night photo with the lights clearly indicating the populated areas. You can scroll East-West and North-South. Note that Canada's population is almost exclusively along the U.S. border. Moving east to Europe, there is a high population concentration along the Mediterranean Coast. It's easy to spot London, Paris, Stockholm and Vienna.
Check out the development of Israel compared to the rest of the Arab countries.
"Note the Nile River and the rest of the "Dark Continent". After the Nile,
the lights don't come on again until Johannesburg. Look at the Australian
Outback and the Trans-Siberian Rail Route. Moving east, the most striking observation is the difference between North and South Korea.
Note
the density of Japan.
"What a piece of photography. It is an absolutely awesome picture of the Earth taken from the Boeing built Space Station last November on a perfect night with no obscuring atmosphere".

 http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg


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A truly breathless, platygaean description!   :-)

Dirk

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"What a piece of photography. It is an absolutely awesome picture of the Earth taken from the Boeing built Space Station last November on a perfect night with no obscuring atmosphere".

 http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg

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This is a great picture, but the accompanying statement:

"What a piece of photography. It is an absolutely awesome picture of the Earth taken from the Boeing built Space Station last November on a perfect night with no obscuring atmosphere".

cannot be right.

(i)       It is not dark throughout the whole earth at one time; (ii) The notion that there might be perfect visibility of the whole earth in one 24 hour period is nice but unbelievable.  Perhaps an infra-red photo, but if so say so!!

pedantic i know, but hey, why accept on face value what it says just because it is on the internet!!

John Saunders


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(JFellow Maphisters,(B

(JThe NASA image truly takes one's breath away. Unfortunately, the accompanying (B (Jdescription does not. I'm unable to ferret out the source of the description, (B (Jbut it has made the rounds and confused enough people that I find myself (B (Jcompelled to correct it.(B

(JFirst, while the image is very impressive, one must not think that the earth (B (Jat night looks anything like that image. Lights are not visible from space in (B (Jthat fashion to the naked eye. The image was constructed from data from (B (Jsensitive detectors -- probably infrared, but I can't find a cogent (B (Jdescription of how the image was constructed. From the altitude of the Space (B (JStation, the earth at night looks... well... dark.(B

(JThe most egregious error is the ludicrous,(B

(J"It is an absolutely awesome picture of the Earth taken from the Boeing built (B (JSpace Station last November on a perfect night with no obscuring atmosphere."(B

(JThere is nothing correct in this sentence. It is not "a" picture; it is a (B (Jcomposite of hundreds or thousands of pictures. It was not taken on "a (B (Jperfect" night. There is no such thing as "a perfect night with no obscuring (B (Jatmosphere" as far as the whole earth is concerned. Much of the earth is (B (Jwrapped in clouds no matter what moment in time you choose to pick. The image (B (Jcompensates for that by having been composed of hundreds of images, each (B (Jtaken at a good time for the small region that each individual photograph (B (Jcovers. The image was not composed of photographs from the International (B (JSpace Station; nor was it created "last November"; it has been around since (B (Jbefore the ISS was built -- at least it is so remarkably similar to an image (B (JI first saw in the mid 90s that I cannot distinguish any difference. Finally, (B (Jthe ISS was not built by Boeing, though certainly parts of it were.(B

(JI have no idea how these bizarre loads of misinformation come into being. (B (JApparently someone gets it into "his" head to make up nonsense and circulate (B (Jit just because it sounds nice. The truth simply doesn't matter.(B

(JRegards,(B
(Jdaan Strebe(B

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(JMany maphisters have probably seen this picture. I find it exciting every(B

(Jtime I see it again. Enjoy!(B


(Jhttp://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg(B


(J"The image is a panoramic view of the world from the new space(B

(Jstation.(B

(JIt is a night photo with the lights clearly indicating the populated(B

(Jareas. You can scroll East-West and North-South. Note that Canada's(B

(Jpopulation is almost exclusively along the U.S. border. Moving east to(B

(JEurope, there is a high population concentration along the(B

(JMediterranean Coast. It's easy to spot London, Paris, Stockholm and Vienna.(B

(JCheck out the development of Israel compared to the rest of the Arab(B

(Jcountries.(B

(J"Note the Nile River and the rest of the "Dark Continent". After the Nile,(B

(Jthe lights don't come on again until Johannesburg. Look at the Australian(B

(JOutback and the Trans-Siberian Rail Route. Moving east, the most(B

(Jstriking observation is the difference between North and South Korea. Note(B

(Jthe density of Japan.(B

(J"What a piece of photography. It is an absolutely awesome picture of(B

(Jthe Earth taken from the Boeing built Space Station last November on a(B

(Jperfect night with no obscuring atmosphere".(B


(J http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg(B


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Daan,

I defer to your more expansive "dissing" of the image.

That said, the beauty of the earth from space does take the breath away!!

John Saunders


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Three colleagues and I would love to see the visions you describe...but we get "not available" internet responses..and this is the middle of the US night!

Could someone with better access please post the jpg image  for us to download?

Thank You
Michael

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> Behalf Of V+R Mayer
> Sent: Wednesday, 15 May 2002 13:17
> To: Maphist
> Subject: [MapHist] Fw: earthlights
>
>
> Many maphisters have probably seen this picture. I find it exciting every
> time I see it again. Enjoy!
>
> http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg
>
> "The image is a panoramic view of the world from the new space
> station.
> It is a night photo with the lights clearly indicating the populated
> areas. You can scroll East-West and North-South. Note that Canada's
> population is almost exclusively along the U.S. border. Moving east to
> Europe, there is a high population concentration along the
> Mediterranean Coast. It's easy to spot London, Paris, Stockholm
> and Vienna.
> Check out the development of Israel compared to the rest of the Arab
> countries.
> "Note the Nile River and the rest of the "Dark Continent". After the Nile,
> the lights don't come on again until Johannesburg. Look at the Australian
> Outback and the Trans-Siberian Rail Route. Moving east, the most
> striking observation is the difference between North and South Korea. Note
> the density of Japan.
> "What a piece of photography. It is an absolutely awesome picture of
> the Earth taken from the Boeing built Space Station last November on a
> perfect night with no obscuring atmosphere".
>
>  http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg
>
>
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http://home1.gte.net/jundo/pics/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg

Tim
....................................................................
Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing there is a field.
I'll meet you there. When the soul lies down in that grass, the world is too full to talk about. Ideas, language, even the phrase 'each other' doesn't make any sense. -Rumi .................................................

On Wed, 15 May 2002, Michael Ross wrote:

> Three colleagues and I would love to see the visions you describe...but we
> get "not available" internet responses..and this is the middle of the US
> night!
> 
> Could someone with better access please post the jpg image  for us to
> download?
> 
> Thank You
> Michael
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------------
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> > Behalf Of V+R Mayer
> > Sent: Wednesday, 15 May 2002 13:17
> > To: Maphist
> > Subject: [MapHist] Fw: earthlights
> >
> >
> > Many maphisters have probably seen this picture. I find it exciting every
> > time I see it again. Enjoy!
> >
> > http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg
> >
> > "The image is a panoramic view of the world from the new space
> > station.
> > It is a night photo with the lights clearly indicating the populated
> > areas. You can scroll East-West and North-South. Note that Canada's
> > population is almost exclusively along the U.S. border. Moving east to
> > Europe, there is a high population concentration along the
> > Mediterranean Coast. It's easy to spot London, Paris, Stockholm
> > and Vienna.
> > Check out the development of Israel compared to the rest of the Arab
> > countries.
> > "Note the Nile River and the rest of the "Dark Continent". After the Nile,
> > the lights don't come on again until Johannesburg. Look at the Australian
> > Outback and the Trans-Siberian Rail Route. Moving east, the most
> > striking observation is the difference between North and South Korea. Note
> > the density of Japan.
> > "What a piece of photography. It is an absolutely awesome picture of
> > the Earth taken from the Boeing built Space Station last November on a
> > perfect night with no obscuring atmosphere".
> >
> >  http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg
> >
> >
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If you go to http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap001127.html, which is indicated on the Earthlights picture, you will find the following

Explanation:
This is what the Earth looks like at night. Can you find your favorite country or city? Surprisingly, city lights make this task quite possible.
Human-made lights highlight particularly developed or populated areas of the Earth's surface, including the seaboards of Europe, the eastern United States, and Japan. Many large cities are located near rivers or oceans so that they can exchange goods cheaply by boat. Particularly dark areas include the central parts of South America, Africa, Asia, and Australia. The above image is actually a composite of hundreds of pictures made by the orbiting DMSP satellites.

On the same site you can go to
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html where there is an index of hundreds of pictures taken in and of space. NASA publishes one every day.
Don't miss this for the sake of their beauty

Roberto

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>
>
> This is a great picture, but the accompanying statement:
>
> "What a piece of photography. It is an absolutely awesome picture of
> the Earth taken from the Boeing built Space Station last November on a
> perfect night with no obscuring atmosphere".
>
> cannot be right.
>
> (i)       It is not dark throughout the whole earth at one time;
> (ii) The notion that there might be perfect visibility of the whole earth in one
> 24 hour period is nice but unbelievable.  Perhaps an infra-red photo, but if so
> say so!!
>
> pedantic i know, but hey, why accept on face value what it says just because it
> is on the internet!!
>
> John Saunders
>
>
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Great pic!

Why does it appear as a "flat" map?

Is it a compostite photo, or a time expsoure taken as the station oribited?
How did they capture so much dark ground at the same time?

CV

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Many maphisters have probably seen this picture. I find it exciting every time I see it again. Enjoy!

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg

"The image is a panoramic view of the world from the new space station.
It is a night photo with the lights clearly indicating the populated areas. You can scroll East-West and North-South. Note that Canada's population is almost exclusively along the U.S. border. Moving east to Europe, there is a high population concentration along the Mediterranean Coast. It's easy to spot London, Paris, Stockholm and Vienna.
Check out the development of Israel compared to the rest of the Arab countries.
"Note the Nile River and the rest of the "Dark Continent". After the Nile, the lights don't come on again until Johannesburg. Look at the Australian Outback and the Trans-Siberian Rail Route. Moving east, the most striking observation is the difference between North and South Korea. Note the density of Japan.
"What a piece of photography. It is an absolutely awesome picture of the Earth taken from the Boeing built Space Station last November on a perfect night with no obscuring atmosphere".

 http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg


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Hi Maphisters,

Many questions and theories about source, projection and technique have recently appeared on this list concerning the magnificent "Earth at Night" image. For answers, refer to the following website:

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap001127b.html

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Michael Ross wrote:
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 >Three colleagues and I would love to see the visions you describe...but we  >get "not available" internet responses..and this is the middle of the US  >night!

If it helps, a similar (same?) image is included in National Geographic's World Atlas (1998?). It was also included as a free map-insert in one of the late 90s issues.

With regards,

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ANNOUNCEMENT OF JOB VACANCY

BRITISH LIBRARY (LONDON), MAP COLLECTIONS, CURATOR OF DIGITAL MAPPING

The British Library, Britain's national library and a world leader in cartographic collections and research, has a new and exciting opportunity for a Curator of Digital Mapping in its Map Collections, the Library's centre for cartographic and  locational information. The postholder will be responsible for digital mapping resources, including CD-ROMs, DVDs, web-based geospatial and geo-referenced datasets, websites, etc, and for liasing with appropriate and relevant departments throughout the Library.

Among other duties, the postholder will be expected to keep abreast of developments in the field locally, nationally and internationally; to recommend digital items for acquisition; to catalogue digital items in the Library's automated cataloguing system; to liase with IT staff to make digital resources available to the public in the reading room environment; to provide instruction in the use of digital mapping materials; to assist in publicising the department's digital holdings; and to represent Map Collections internally as appropriate. The post also includes assisting in the selection of cartographic collection items for digitisation as funding becomes available. The postholder will be expected to play an active and full part in the Map Collections team.

An honours degree in geography, geographical information or a suitable equivalent, as well as solid experience in use of digital mapping is required; a further qualification in the field is desirable.  An interest in conventional maps and mapping is desirable. Clear and concise verbal and written communication skills are required, as is enthusiasm about digital mapping, self-motivation and the ability to work under pressure and to deadlines.  The postholder should enjoy dealing with the public, and will be expected to maintain and develop the specialism. Cataloguing and public service training will be provided. The post is located in the Library's new building at St Pancras, London. Salary c£16k. Closing date for receipt of applications is 31 May 2002.

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At 08:20 AM 5/15/2002 -0700, you wrote:  >Great pic!
 >
 >Why does it appear as a "flat" map?
 >
 >Is it a compostite photo, or a time expsoure taken as the station oribited?
 >How did they capture so much dark ground at the same time?

    It's a composite image of Defense Meteorological Satellites Program photos
    with whatever data source produces the "light" pattern superimposed, then
    stretched to the projection desired to make it more pleasing to our cartographic
    expectations.  I'm not sure precisely who put the one in question together, but
    it's much like the "Earth without clouds" image generated by Thomas van Sant's
    "Geosphere" project.  (van Sant's output is at http://www.geosphere.com/, but the
    site contains precious little about his methodology and is rather a display case/
    company store of sorts.)  This is apparently not a van Sant creation, however;
    if you look in the lower left of the image, there's a pointer to this webpage:

    http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap001127.html

    ...which contains further information and various links that may be of interest.
    No answer to the question as to whether or not that's the way the Earth's lights
    look at night, but this may be an accurate representation of light levels at the
    orbital height of the DMSP satellites in question, but the act of projection has
    produced some of the peculiar Moire effects visible, for example, in the US Midwest.

    best

    Lindsay Frederick Braun
    Dept of History
    Rutgers University

    

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While we're on the subject...

All those lights have two very negative side effects:

1) people in those lit-up areas on the ground can't see the
   stars for the mcburger signs

2) a whole lot of energy is being wasted, either directly
   or reflected into space.

johnlsaunders@judiciary.gov.hk wrote:
> 
> Daan,
> 
> I defer to your more expansive "dissing" of the image.
> 
> That said, the beauty of the earth from space does take the breath away!!
> 
> John Saunders
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Tim
Thank you very much....and to the colleagues who emailed a copy direct. We now have the image.

A truly amazing image

Michael

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl [mailto:owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl]On
> Behalf Of Tim Williams
> Sent: Wednesday, 15 May 2002 22:26
> To: maphist@geog.uu.nl
> Subject: RE: [MapHist] Fw: earthlights
>
>
> http://home1.gte.net/jundo/pics/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg
>
> Tim
> ....................................................................
> Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing there is a field.
> I'll meet you there. When the soul lies down in that grass,
> the world is too full to talk about. Ideas, language, even
> the phrase 'each other' doesn't make any sense. -Rumi
> .................................................
>
> On Wed, 15 May 2002, Michael Ross wrote:
>
> > Three colleagues and I would love to see the visions you
> describe...but we
> > get "not available" internet responses..and this is the middle of the US
> > night!
> >
> > Could someone with better access please post the jpg image  for us to
> > download?
> >
> > Thank You
> > Michael
> >
> >
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> > > From: owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl [mailto:owner-maphist@geog.uu.nl]On
> > > Behalf Of V+R Mayer
> > > Sent: Wednesday, 15 May 2002 13:17
> > > To: Maphist
> > > Subject: [MapHist] Fw: earthlights
> > >
> > >
> > > Many maphisters have probably seen this picture. I find it
> exciting every
> > > time I see it again. Enjoy!
> > >
> > > http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg
> > >
> > > "The image is a panoramic view of the world from the new space
> > > station.
> > > It is a night photo with the lights clearly indicating the populated
> > > areas. You can scroll East-West and North-South. Note that Canada's
> > > population is almost exclusively along the U.S. border. Moving east to
> > > Europe, there is a high population concentration along the
> > > Mediterranean Coast. It's easy to spot London, Paris, Stockholm
> > > and Vienna.
> > > Check out the development of Israel compared to the rest of the Arab
> > > countries.
> > > "Note the Nile River and the rest of the "Dark Continent".
> After the Nile,
> > > the lights don't come on again until Johannesburg. Look at
> the Australian
> > > Outback and the Trans-Siberian Rail Route. Moving east, the most
> > > striking observation is the difference between North and
> South Korea. Note
> > > the density of Japan.
> > > "What a piece of photography. It is an absolutely awesome picture of
> > > the Earth taken from the Boeing built Space Station last November on a
> > > perfect night with no obscuring atmosphere".
> > >
> > >  http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg
> > >
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According to the 27 April 2002 issue of The Spectator, Prince William is changing his major from Art History to Geography.  Ross Clark, the author of the piece, a geography major himself, is a bit sharp about the whole thing, but it is an interesting read.

Check it out at your local library if they receive English mags.

Thanks to one of our readers, Braham Norwick, for this citation!


Alice C. Hudson
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I've searched unsuccessfully the six gazetteers related to Poland accessible through Odden's Bookmarks, and the BGN gazetteer for Poland.  I find I need help.  There are, apparently, two places with this name.  One is a sizeable community about 114 mi. SW of Warsaw and nearer to Lodz.  Lots of references on the web to this community.

The one I'm looking for is supposed to be near Posen.  The record I have relates to 1887 so it may be that the name was changed prior to the creation of the Polish and Russian maps from the 1930s which I have been scanning by eye.

If someone has a detailed late 19th century gazetteer of Poland I would appreciate either geographical coordinates or direction and distance from Posen/Poznan for Czenstochowa.

Thanks very much.
Ron Whistance-Smith

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Ron:

Try the town search at
<http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetlSeeker/loctown.htm>.
According to this site  a 'Czestochowa' (not quite your spelling) is located 
144 miles southeast of Posen.

Ed Redmond

>>> rwhistan@COMPUSMART.AB.CA 05/15 11:32 PM >>> I've searched unsuccessfully the six gazetteers related to Poland accessible
through Odden's Bookmarks, and the BGN gazetteer for Poland.  I find I need
help.  There are, apparently, two places with this name.  One is a sizeable
community about 114 mi. SW of Warsaw and nearer to Lodz.  Lots of references
on the web to this community.

The one I'm looking for is supposed to be near Posen.  The record I have
relates to 1887 so it may be that the name was changed prior to the creation
of the Polish and Russian maps from the 1930s which I have been scanning by
eye.

If someone has a detailed late 19th century gazetteer of Poland I would
appreciate either geographical coordinates or direction and distance from
Posen/Poznan for Czenstochowa.

Thanks very much.
Ron Whistance-Smith

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Fellowships for 2002-2003

The American Geographical Society Collection, University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee Libraries welcomes applicants for Helen and John S. Best Research Fellowships.  Stipends of  $375 per week, for periods up to 4 weeks, will be awarded to support residencies for the purpose of conducting research which makes direct use of the Collection. The Fellowships will be tenable between December 2, 2002 and November 28, 2003.  

The AGS Collection, the former research library and map collection of the American Geographical Society of New York, has strengths in geography, cartography and related historical topics.  Applications must be postmarked by September 16, 2002.  For further information, write, call or e-mail the AGS Collection, P.O. Box 399, Milwaukee, WI 53201-0399, Tel. (414) 229-6282, E-mail agsc@leardo.lib.uwm.edu.  Web site: http://leardo.lib.uwm.edu

Christopher Baruth
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Wandering from the link mentioned in the picture brought me to

http://earth.jsc.nasa.gov/categories.html

I think people will find this also interesting. Its Earch from space and has some truly spectacular pictures of Earth.

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The list might be interested in the online version of an article that appeared in today's Independent newspaper [London].

<  http://www.independent.co.uk/story.jsp?story=296266 >

***************************************** Tony Campbell
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MapHisters may be interested to know that in today's issue of 'The Independent', a British newspaper [Saturday 18 May, no.4,862; www.independent.co.uk), there is a three-quarter page article on map thefts from libraries.

The article is largely a recitation of old news, but part is based around an interview with Tony Campbell, with proposals for the reporting of thefts to preserve the anonymity of individual institutions, while providing speedy information to those most likely to be offered stolen items.

Those who have not done so might usefully read Tony's new page on his History of Cartography site: http://www.ihrinfo.ac.uk/maps/thefts.html

While I am not so sure such publicity is useful - the article makes stealing maps sound very easy and very lucrative - I have a feeling that the number and scale of the recent thefts is much higher than anyone has dared guess, and anything that raises the profile of the problem can only be good - most of all for the libraries who are or, I have no doubt sooner or later, will be affected.

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would Mr.Mark Babinski please contact me directly? I have some info on correspondence exchanged on the subject matter April 17.
regards, Jens P.Bornholt, e-mail:  borncafe@terra.com.gt

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Are you sure this is of no interest to the other subscribers of MapHist?

Peter

At 02:30 19-5-2002, you wrote:
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>correspondence exchanged on the subject matter April 17.
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Hi,

I've found this in Usenet. I've referred the author to Soucek and McIntosh for the Piri Re'is stuff, but does anyone have any comments on the De Virga and Pizzi maps?

Thanks.


>The story is very clear. The Piri Reis and Oronzio Finneo maps
>show precocious knowledge of geography far beyond the commonly 
>regarded limits for that era. So too does the Albertin De Virga 
>map of 1414 and the Zuane Pizzi version of 'Pope Urban's Map' 
>published in 1424. The extent of the knowledge cannot be 
>explained merely by by unkown explorers of that era pushing out 
>the boundaries. There is a considerable mystery here (and no, no 
>flying saucers  need apply). 
  


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Hello,,

Apologies for two queries in the same morning, but this has shown up on a completely different forum.

  http://2012.antville.org/topics/Archaeology/49837

 This refers to an Italian article that claims that the map shows Java  in the right place. The Italian article is at:

 http://www.diegocuoghi.it/Piri_Reis/Finaeus.htm

 The article also has comments on the Piri Re'is map which I must get  translated! It's clearly supporting the idea that it shows South  America but bends it to fit the parchment, but I can't read the  details.

 They are at http://www.diegocuoghi.it/Piri_Reis/Piri_Reis.htm

 Doug

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The De Virga 1414 map has a strange feature in its northwest quadrant that fits into a cartographic tradition discussed in my new book, _Erikson, Eskimos & Columbus_.  I will not go into the complex details here, but you can find the general description at

http://www.press.jhu.edu/press/books/titles/s02/s02ener.htm

The book is available with 20% discount at www.barnesandnoble.com

The De Virga map also has some strange features in its southeast that I do not address there.

Jim.

At 11:53 AM 05/19/02 +0100, Doug Weller wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I've found this in Usenet. I've referred the author to Soucek and
>McIntosh for the Piri Re'is stuff, but does anyone have any comments
>on the De Virga and Pizzi maps?
>
>Thanks.
>
>
> >The story is very clear. The Piri Reis and Oronzio Finneo maps
> >show precocious knowledge of geography far beyond the commonly
> >regarded limits for that era. So too does the Albertin De Virga
> >map of 1414 and the Zuane Pizzi version of 'Pope Urban's Map'
> >published in 1424. The extent of the knowledge cannot be
> >explained merely by by unkown explorers of that era pushing out
> >the boundaries. There is a considerable mystery here (and no, no
> >flying saucers  need apply).

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<DIV>perhaps/probably. I would like to have Mark make a decision on this and pass it on if he deems it appropiate.</DIV> <DIV>Jens</DIV>
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href="mailto:maphist@geog.uu.nl">maphist@geog.uu.nl</A>&gt;</DIV> <DIV>Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 2:44 AM</DIV> <DIV>Subject: Re: [MapHist] map conservation/restoration</DIV></DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV>&gt; Are you sure this is of no interest to the other subscribers of MapHist?<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Peter<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; At 02:30 19-5-2002, you wrote:<BR>&gt; &gt;would Mr.Mark Babinski please contact me directly? I have some info on<BR>&gt; &gt;correspondence exchanged on the subject matter April 17.<BR>&gt; &gt;regards, Jens P.Bornholt, e-mail:&nbsp; <A href="mailto:borncafe@terra.com.gt">borncafe@terra.com.gt</A><BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY<BR>&gt; Dr Peter van der Krogt<BR>&gt; Map Historian, Explokart Research Program<BR>&gt; Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht<BR>&gt; P.O. Box 80.115<BR>&gt; 3508 TC&nbsp; UTRECHT, The Netherlands<BR>&gt; e-mail: <A href="mailto:peter@maphist.nl">peter@maphist.nl</A><BR>&gt; Homepage: &lt;<A href="http://cartography.geog.uu.nl/vanderkrogt">http://cartography.geog.uu.nl/vanderkrogt</A>&gt;<BR>&gt; MapHist: &lt;<A 
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Dear MapHisters,<BR> <BR>
The following are comments by/from Jens P.Bornholt in Guatemala following up on our earlier thread regarding map conservation/restoration. I (and apparently Peter van der Krogt too) feel that they would be of interest to everyone on this list - so here they are - copied verbatim below. <BR> <BR>
I would also like to add a contemporary description of how wall maps were mounted - from a newspaper article describing a tour of Henry Schenk Tanner's map business in 1834. It is provided after Jens' note. What strikes me as very relevant to the issue of varnish removal is the fact that Tanner's workers applied "two or three coats of transparent size" to the map - BEFORE THE APPLICATION OF VARNISH - "to prevent the varnish from sinking into the paper." <BR> <BR>
Could this be helpful in removing the varnish without damaging/impacting the underlying color? Can varnish be removed without removing the sizing? What exactly is sizing made of? Was this method of applying sizing, before varnishing, employed only by Tanner (in 1834 he was the leading American mapmaker, having taken over from John Melish after his death in 1822. Augustus Mitchell was just starting - his first map published only in 1831 or 1830; David Burr was at that time already working for Congress - producing bland, unexciting, unvarnished government maps on cheap paper - shades of his previous masterpieces.)?&nbsp; Is it reasonable to expect that all 19th century wall maps with hand-color were sized first before varnish being applied? <BR> <BR>
Lots of questions - but blame Jens, not me, for picking up this issue again.<BR> <BR>
Mark<BR>
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Dear Mark,<BR>
a fellow named Pete (<A HREF="mailto:mapoholic@YAHOO.COM">mapoholic@YAHOO.COM</A>) raised some questions re conservation;/preservation&nbsp; and in your reply you expressed your opinion regarding removing varnish, placing on new linen and that your preference was "not to restore".<BR> Well, I live in Guatemala and I was lucky to find here a lady who is an expert in paper conservation/restoration. Her name is Kennis Kitchell Kim (e-mail: <A HREF="mailto:presbycan@intelnet.net.gt">presbycan@intelnet.net.gt</A>) and she belongs to a cooperative in Houston named Wolftree Cooperative and they do this kind of work. I was awaiting for her to return from a trip and show her your and Pete's comments. She made several comments:<BR> a) a protective barrier is easily constructed with the help of plexiglass<BR> b) she says "no" to putting a map back on rollers to be hung<BR> c) archival dry mount tissue is "bad"<BR> d) varnish is bad for the map -"yes"<BR> e) de-varnishing is "not" good<BR>
f) instead of Green Dragon Bindery she would recommend Williamstown Art Conservation Center, speak to Leslie Paisley or Rebecca Smith.<BR> For what it's worth, I thought you and Pete might be interested in the above and I told Kennis that I was going to suggest to you to get in touch with her directly and she can tell you who she is and what she does.<BR> Kennis is presently restoring, cleaning, framing a whole bunch of maps for me. Some are from my private collection and some are from another private collection which was bequeathed to a private University here in Guatemala (of which I am a trustee and member of the board of directors) and I am in charge of checking on these maps and having them delivered framed to the University in a better condition than received from the donor.<BR> Jens<BR>
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FROM A TOUR OF TANNER'S GEOGRAPHICAL ESTABLISHMENT, 1834:<BR> "Immediately in front of the bindery is an extensive apartment occupied by persons mounting Maps. Every part of this business is performed by females. The process of mounting is commenced by stretching a sheet of canvas over a square frame, on which the several sheets composing the map (previously coloured [sic]) are joined and pasted. When sufficiently dry, two or three coats of transparent size are applied, intended to produce a uniform surface and to prevent the varnish (which is subsequently spread over its face) from sinking into the paper. When the varnish is thoroughly dry which is usually the case in two or three days, according to the state of the weather, the map is cut from the frame, bound on two of its edges, nailed upon rollers, and thus prepared, it is ready for use."<BR> <BR>
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I forwarded the recent mail about this thread to Susan Russick, our conservator.  Here's her reply to me:

Interesting.  I would agree with pretty much everything.

Some types of varnish turn opaque and white after contact with water.
Aside from that circumstance, I generally try to treat the map without disturbing the varnish.

The varnish does help to protect the paper from damage, but is often so discolored and so difficult to remove that it becomes a problem.



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Peter:

As of February to April inclusive, at least, Lisa Davis Allen (Univ. of Texas at Tyler)'s [private and preferred] e-mail address was :-

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Francis
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&nbsp;&nbsp; Does anyone know how to contact Seymour I. Schwartz (author - Mapping America; The French &amp; Indian War). If so, please respond to my email address, not list. Thanks.<BR> <BR>
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in a book titled "A journey over land, from the Gulf of Honduras to the great South Sea, performed by John Cockburn and five other Englishmen...." C.Rivington MDCCXXXV   carries a frontispiece map titled "A map of that part of ye Kingdom of Mexico travers'd by Jn.Cockburn & his companions"
I can find no reference to Cockburn nor any info who could have drawn the map.
I would appreciate any info.
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Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 10:24:36 +0100
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Jens:

A start could be made with 'A reference guide to the literature of travel : including voyages, geographical descriptions, adventures, shipwrecks and expeditions' by Edward G. Cox,  2 volumes (Seattle : Univ. of Washington, 1935-38), specifically vol. 2 'The New World', entry '1735 COCKBURN, JOHN (and Others)',  p.248-249.  Our Library's copy of the 1735 edition has the map (but with "Jno. Cockburn" in its title), below which, at bottom right below border, are - irritatingly - the top parts only of the letters of the engraver's name.  Find a completely untrimmed copy and you have yourself a name (or, failing this, someone who recognises the particular engraver's style).  Unfortunately most of the Map Room's reference materials are now outstored for a year or more, so I cannot even check one of the likely carto-bibliographies - which Geography and Map Div. of LC (Ed or colleagues!) or Map Div. of NYPL (Alice or Nancy!) will do almost immediately ...  Then you can search the online Saur 'World biographical index' (see, e.g., the History of Cartography gateway site). 

Francis
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> Sent:	22 May 2002 22:29
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> 
> in a book titled "A journey over land, from the Gulf of Honduras to the
> great South Sea, performed by John Cockburn and five other Englishmen...."
> C.Rivington MDCCXXXV   carries a frontispiece map titled
> "A map of that part of ye Kingdom of Mexico travers'd by Jn.Cockburn & his
> companions"
> I can find no reference to Cockburn nor any info who could have drawn the
> map.
> I would appreciate any info.
> thanks, Jens P.Bornholt
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Dear Jens, Mark and other interested MapHisters,

The sites listed below may be of some interest:

1. Conservation DistList:

http://sul-server-2.stanford.edu/byform/mailing-lists/cdl/aboutcdl.shtml

2. OnLine Conservation:

http://palimpsest.stanford.edu/byform/serials/

3. dmoz open directory project:

http://dmoz.org/Reference/Museums/Museum_Resources/Conservation_and_Preservation/

4. The American Institute for Conservation of Historic and Artistic Works:

  http://aic.stanford.edu/


Regards,
Mark Cohagen

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Dear Jens,

All the biographical detail I have on file for Cockburn comes from the title of the book, the relevant part of which I include below:

A Journey Over Land, From The Gulf Of Honduras To The Great South-Sea, Performed By John Cockburn, And Five Other Englishmen, Viz. Thomas Rounce. Richard Banister, John Holland, Thomas Robinson, And John Ballman; Who Were Taken By A Spanish Guard-Costa, In The John And Jane, Edward Burt Master, And Set a Shoar At A Place Called Porto-Cavalo, Naked And Wounded, As Mentioned In Several News-Papers Of October, 1731.
Containing, Variety Of Extraordinary Distresses And Adventures, And Some New And Useful Discoveries Of The Inland Of Those Almost Unknown Parts Of America: As Also, An Exact Account  Of The Manners, Customs, And Behaviour Of The Several Indians Inhabiting A Tract Of Land Of 2400 Miles; Particularly Of Their Dispositions Towards The Spaniards And English ...

The map was engraved by Benjamin Cole (II) - the entry on Cole in the new edition of Tooley's Dictionary perpetuates his error of combining two men. Unless there is something in the preface that throws light on the map, I think it will be difficult to establish who actually compiled the map.  Charles Rivington (I), the publisher was no map-maker, and I don't think Cole is a candidate.  Perhaps it was Cockburn himself, but it may simply be lifted from an existing map.

I hope this is useful.

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Jens Bornholt, Francis Herbert  and others:

Picking up the gauntlet thrown down by Francis, the travel bibliography cited (see earlier message) does not provide additional information on our elusive engraver but it does tell us that the 1735 Cockburn work was also published under the title "The Unfortunate Englishmen..."  (see below)

In our holdings only the 1735 edition contains the subject map. 
Although our two copies of this edition include the map, the engraver's name does not appear on either.  


1) Cockburn, John, mariner. 
	A journey over land, from the Gulf of Honduras to the great South-Sea. Performed by John Cockburn, and five other Englishmen ... To which is added ... A brief discoverye of some things best worth noteinge in the travells of Nicholas Withington, a factor in the East-Indiase. 
London, C. Rivington, 1735.
	viii, 349 p. fold. map. 20 cm.   F1431.C66	  


2) Cockburn, John, mariner. 
	[A journey over land from the Gulf of Honduras to the great South-Sea [from old catalog]] 	The unfortunate Englishmen: or, A faithful narrative of the distresses and adventures of John Cockburn, and five other English mariners, viz. Thomas Bounce, John Holland, Richard Banister, John Balman and Thomas Robinson. Who were taken by a Spanish guarda costa, in the John and Anne, Edward Burt, master, and set on shore at a place call'd Porto-Cavallo, naked and wounded. Containing a journey over land from the Gulph of Honduras to the great South Sea ..
As also an account of the manners, customs, and behaviour of the several Indians inhabiting a tract of land of 2400 miles ...  London, Printed for J. Lever, 1773. iv, 5-164 p. front. 19 cm. F1431.C669  
3)Cockburn, John, mariner. 
	[A journey over land from the Gulf of Honduras to the great South Sea [from old catalog]] 	The unfortunate Englishmen; or, A faithful narrative of the distresses and adventures of John Cockburn, and five other mariners, viz. Thomas Bounce, John Holland, Richard Banister, John Balmain, and Thomas Robinson, who were taken by a Spanish guarda costa, in the John and Ann, Captain Burt, and set on shore ... at Porto Cavallo: containing a journey over land from the Gulph of Honduras to the great South Sea ... also, An account of the manners, customs, and behaviour of the several Indian nations ...  London, W. Cavell, 1794. 
vi, 120 p. front. 18 cm. F1431.C67

4) Cockburn, John, mariner. 
	[A journey over land from the Gulf of Honduras to the great South Sea. [from old catalog]] 	The unfortunate Englishmen;   London, Printed by G.
Auld, for A. Cleugh, 1810. 	2 p.l., 116 p. 19 x 11 cm.F1431.C672		



Ed Redmond
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>>> F.Herbert@RGS.ORG 05/23 5:24 AM >>> Jens:

A start could be made with 'A reference guide to the literature of travel :
including voyages, geographical descriptions, adventures, shipwrecks and
expeditions' by Edward G. Cox,  2 volumes (Seattle : Univ. of Washington,
1935-38), specifically vol. 2 'The New World', entry '1735 COCKBURN, JOHN
(and Others)',  p.248-249.  Our Library's copy of the 1735 edition has the
map (but with "Jno. Cockburn" in its title), below which, at bottom right
below border, are - irritatingly - the top parts only of the letters of the
engraver's name.  Find a completely untrimmed copy and you have yourself a
name (or, failing this, someone who recognises the particular engraver's
style).  Unfortunately most of the Map Room's reference materials are now
outstored for a year or more, so I cannot even check one of the likely carto-bibliographies - which Geography and Map Div. of LC (Ed or colleagues!) or Map Div. of NYPL (Alice or Nancy!) will do almost immediately ...  Then you can search the online Saur 'World biographical
index' (see, e.g., the History of Cartography gateway site). 

Francis
f.herbert@rgs.org 
http://www.rgs.org [see 'Collections'/'Unlocking the Archives']

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Jens P. Bornholt [SMTP:borncafe@terra.com.gt] 
> Sent:	22 May 2002 22:29
> To:	maphist@geog.uu.nl 
> Subject:	[MapHist] unknown cartographer
>  
> in a book titled "A journey over land, from the Gulf of Honduras to the
> great South Sea, performed by John Cockburn and five other Englishmen...."
> C.Rivington MDCCXXXV   carries a frontispiece map titled
> "A map of that part of ye Kingdom of Mexico travers'd by Jn.Cockburn & his
> companions"
> I can find no reference to Cockburn nor any info who could have drawn the
> map.
> I would appreciate any info.
> thanks, Jens P.Bornholt
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I am researching maps and original source history documents that cover the area from the Red River to the Arkansas River, present day Oklahoma, from 1700 (DeLisle) to 1850 s.  Any help would be appreciated.

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 >From Library Journal Academic News Wire: May 23, 2002 [LJ is one of the most important professional publications in the U.S.]

BRITISH TO UNDERTAKE CARTOGRAPHIC REGISTER TO COMBAT LIBRARY THEFTS
Have you seen this map: LE GLOBE TERRESTRE, by Nolin Bocquet Hyre, a 1740, double-paged engraved map, reported stolen from a Paris library in November 2000? Theft of rare materials is becoming an increasingly troublesome issue in the age of anonymous Internet sales. In response, a group of British map experts are attempting organize a worldwide registry of stolen maps, citing more than 100 rare maps, dating back as far as 600 years, that have turned up missing from European libraries in recent years.

"It has become a very serious problem over the years," Detective Sergeant Vernon Rapley, head of Scotland Yard's specialist art and antiques unit told the London INDEPENDENT. "There is hardly a major library in Europe that has not been affected. Quite apart from the financial cost, it is robbing the nation's heritage, damaging both to libraries' assets and Britain's cultural wealth." The INDEPENDENT reports that a skilled thief can remove as many 40 prints at a time from reading rooms, and fetch 30,000 pounds or more from collectors. Unfortunately, according to one senior librarian, the best deterrent to map thieves to date remains a 16th century Spanish curse: "For him that stealeth from this...let the flames of hell consume him."


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Following the LIBER Conference on Library Security Management in Copenhagen (12-14 May 2002), draft 'Copenhagen Principles' have been produced < http://www.kb.dk/guests/intl/liber/news/copenhagenprinciples.htm > and mounted on the LIBER site.

The introduction concludes that "openness on the part of libraries is a crucial factor in [dealing with criminal attacks]. Institutional silence can only be to the benefit of the thief."   However, while it was agreed (Principle 1) to "establish a new security network for trans-national co-operation between libraries in order to prevent and combat criminal offences against significant library collections",  Principle 8 states that "information about security issues is confidential to the security network".

Principle 9 states that "the representatives encourage LIBER to establish co-operation on security issues with the book trade and with other memory institutions".

Discussion of these issues (particularly as they relate to map thefts), with a general listing of relevant links, can be found at < http://ihr.sas.ac.uk/maps/thefts.html >.

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&nbsp;&nbsp; Could anyone shed any light on a French &amp; Indian War manuscript map by Capt. William Dunlop, dated 1757, which shows the area along the Mohawk River, from Albany to Fort Bull (later Fort Stanwix)? Who is Dunlop - signed as a Captain of the [British] Royal Engineers? Any connection to a W. Dunlap who according to Tooley's Dictionary published a Plan of Louisbourg in Philadelphia in 1758? Would appreciate any help. The map was drawn less than a year after the loss of Fort Oswego to the French in 1756 - the communication with which from Albany was along the Mohawk River. The Dunlop map is posted by me as a 970 KB .jpg file at URL below:<BR> <BR>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite><font face="Arial" size="-1">Dear Mark,</font></blockquote>
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<div><x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </x-tab>Not an idea if they can help you, but the Web site of the engineers is http://www.royalengineers.com Might be some information there.</div> <div><x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </x-tab>I have a map of part of the area, drawn just after the war, if you'd like to compare notes on toponyms.</div>
<div><x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </x-tab>HTH,</div>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite><font face="Arial" size="-1">&nbsp;&nbsp; Could anyone shed any light on a French &amp; Indian War manuscript map by Capt. William Dunlop, dated 1757, which shows the area along the Mohawk River, from Albany to Fort Bull (later Fort Stanwix)? Who is Dunlop - signed as a Captain of the [British] Royal Engineers? Any connection to a W. Dunlap who according to Tooley's Dictionary published a Plan of Louisbourg in Philadelphia in 1758? Would appreciate any help. The map was drawn less than a year after the loss of Fort Oswego to the French in 1756 - the communication with which from Albany was along the Mohawk River. The Dunlop map is posted by me as a 970 KB .jpg file at URL below:<br> <br>
http://members.aol.com/americanmaps/dunlop.jpg<br> </font><font face="Arial" color="#000000"><br> <font size="-1">Thanks.<br>
<br>
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[forwarded on behalf of Dr C. Board]

ANNOUNCEMENT AND CALL FOR PAPERS

International Cartographic Association (ICA) Commission on the History of Cartography

SYMPOSIUM AND EXHIBITION: THE HISTORY OF CARTOGRAPHY OF AFRICA Monday 4 to Wednesday 6 August 2003

To be held at The National Library of South Africa, Cape Town in association with the Cape Archives Repository, Roeland Street, Cape Town.  It is planned to hold four sessions of papers in NLSA, the final afternoon being a general discussion. On 6th August we plan an optional excursion to Stellenbosch and Paarl which will include a visit to a wine-producing estate and lunch.  The exhibition of maps will emphasise the cartography of Southern Africa up to about 1920 and will rely on map collections from major libraries in the city.  If there is sufficient demand it may be possible to arrange visits to some of these on 6 August for those who do not wish to go on the excursion.

The National Library is situated at the northern end of the Gardens of the Dutch East India Company near the Anglican Cathedral and the Houses of Parliament.  There is a good hotel within easy walking distance across the Gardens where the daily price of rooms for the period in question ranges from R330 (£22) for a single room to R610 (£41) for a triple room facing Table Mountain and the City.  Prices are approximate and will depend on the exchange value of the South African Rand, which has recently been rather volatile.

The symposium is open to all who are interested in the history of mapping Africa and is particularly aimed at those who wish to see something of the cultural heritage of South Africa before travelling to the main ICA conference in Durban which starts officially on 10 August 2003.  Abstracts of proposed Symposium papers should be submitted be e-mail to either Professor Liebenberg  [elri@worldonline.co.za], or Dr Christopher Board [c.board@lse.ac.uk], or by post to 36, Wakefield Gardens, London SE19 2NR to arrive no later than 30 October 2002.  Abstracts should be in English and from 300 to 500 words in length.  Authors will be notified if their abstract has been accepted by 31 December 2002.  Potential authors should also be aware that the History of Cartography is one of the Durban conference themes.  It is hoped to publish the Symposium proceedings and a catalogue of the map exhibition.

There will be a registration fee entitling participants to attend the Symposium and Exhibition, its proceedings, exhibition catalogue and all refreshments and lunch on 4 and 5 August. This is expected to be between £50 ($73, R750) and £60 ($87, R900).  A charge for the excursion on 6 August will be payable separately.  Overnight accommodation should be arranged individually with the hotel management.  To help us to organise a group booking please reply to Prof. Liebenberg or Dr Board by e-mail no later than 31 July 2002, if you wish to attend.

This first circular will be posted on the ICA and Commission web sites and will updated when further information becomes available.  It will be sent to computer listings relevant to the history of cartography.

C. Board and Elri Liebenberg
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<BODY>I have a map with the foll title:<BR>"An accurate map of the West Indies exhibiting not only all the<BR>Islands possessed by the English, French, Spaniards &amp; Dutch,<BR>but also all the Towns and Settlements on the Continent of<BR>America adjacent thereto"<BR>with extensive info on the "Course to Jamaica", "from Jamaica by the<BR>Gulph (sic) of Florida" and "from Jamaica by the Windward Pas-<BR>sage"&nbsp; also info on the Charter granted by K.Charles II to "Ld.<BR>Chanc.r Clarendon Duke of Albemarle" province of Carolina.<BR><BR>I am trying to establish further info on this Duke of Albemarle, but the<BR>only reference I was able to find was on George Monk (1608-1670), which<BR>seems too early. I found no other dukes of Albemarle and nothing under Lord Chancellor nor Clarendon.<BR>Can anybody tell me more?<BR>Jens P.Bornholt<BR></BODY></HTML>

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<DIV><FONT size=2><EM>Chambers Biographical Dictionary</EM> 5th Ed., 1990, 1993 reprint, has the following entry for <STRONG>Clarendon, Edward Hyde, 1st Earo of&nbsp; (1609-74)</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>English statesman, born in Dinton, near Salisbury, the third son of a Wiltshire squire.&nbsp; He sat in the Short Parliament of 1640 and the Long Parliament, where he criticized <STRONG>Charles I</STRONG>'s uncomstitutional actions and supported the impeachment of Strafford.&nbsp; In 1641 he broke with the revolutionaries and became a royal adviser and when the civil war broke out followed the monarch to Oxford.&nbsp; On the king's defeat in 1646, he joined Prince Charles in Jersey.&nbsp; In 1651 he became chief adviser to <STRONG>Charles II </STRONG>in exile and on the restoration was created earl of Clarendon.&nbsp; He further increased his influence by marrying Anne, the daughter of the duke of York.&nbsp; He introduced the 'Clarendon Code' to ensure the supremacy of the Church of England but his moderate policies were opposed by the extremists.&nbsp; He lost the confidence of Charles II when he criticized his private life, and the disasters of 1667, when the Dutch sailed up the Medway, finally confirmed his downfall.&nbsp; He died in exile in Rouen but was buried in Westminster Abbey.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>You may have all of the following information but it helps perhaps to see what the two men had in common.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<H3><FONT size=2>George Monk, duke of Albemarle,</FONT></H3> <P><FONT size=2>a distinguished military commander, and the great promoter of the restoration of </FONT><A 
href="http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/royalty/kingc.html#CharlesII"><FONT size=2>Charles II.</FONT></A><FONT size=2>, was the son of Sir Thomas Monk, of Potheridge, near Torrington, in Devonshire, and was born in 1608. Being a younger son, he entered the army as a volunteer, served under his relation Sir Richard Grenville, in an expedition to Spain, and afterwards for some years in the Netherlands. On the breaking out of the war between </FONT><A href="http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/royalty/kingc.html#CharlesI"><FONT size=2>Charles I.</FONT></A><FONT size=2> and the Scots in 1639, he obtained a colonel's commission, and attended the king in both his expeditions to the north. When the Irish rebellion began in 1641, his services were so important, that the Lords Justices appointed him governor of Dublin.&nbsp;&nbsp;More at &nbsp;<A 
href="http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/royalty/dukeac.html">http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/royalty/dukeac.html</A></FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>Ron Whistance-Smith</FONT></P></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE 
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=maphist@geog.uu.nl 
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [MapHist] duke of albemarle</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>I have a map with the foll title:<BR>"An accurate map of the 
  West Indies exhibiting not only all the<BR>Islands possessed by the English, 
  French, Spaniards &amp; Dutch,<BR>but also all the Towns and Settlements on 
  the Continent of<BR>America adjacent thereto"<BR>with extensive info on the 
  "Course to Jamaica", "from Jamaica by the<BR>Gulph (sic) of Florida" and "from 
  Jamaica by the Windward Pas-<BR>sage"&nbsp; also info on the Charter granted 
  by K.Charles II to "Ld.<BR>Chanc.r Clarendon Duke of Albemarle" province of 
  Carolina.<BR><BR>I am trying to establish further info on this Duke of 
  Albemarle, but the<BR>only reference I was able to find was on George Monk 
  (1608-1670), which<BR>seems too early. I found no other dukes of Albemarle and 
  nothing under Lord Chancellor nor Clarendon.<BR>Can anybody tell me 
  more?<BR>Jens P.Bornholt<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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A search on Google with terms "Albemarle Clarendon" resulted in many pages relating to Carolina  (since Albemarle and Clarendon are the names of two of the first three counties of Carolina).

http://www.ncmuseumofhistory.org/ed_time_line_17th_pt3.htm says about the charter:

1663
King Charles II grants Carolina to eight supporters called Lords Proprietors. The region, which includes present-day North and South Carolina, stretches from Albemarle Sound in the north to present-day Florida in the south and west to the Pacific Ocean. The Proprietors divide this land into three counties: Albemarle, Clarendon, and Craven. Scottish merchant William Drummond is appointed governor of Albemarle County, the only one of the three counties with colonists.

And even more on 
http://www.rootsweb.com/~neresour/OLLibrary/goodrich/ghus062.htm, where you find the relation between Clarendon and Albemarle:

In 1663 Lord Clarendon and seven associates1 obtained from Charles II. of England a patent for a vast territory south of Virginia.
The note refers to: 1 Clarendon's associates were the Duke of Albemarle (the distinguished General Monk), Lord Craven, Lord Ashley Cooper (afterwards the Earl of Shaftesbury), Sir John Colleton, Sir William Berkeley (the governor of Virginia; see p. 34), his brother Lord John Berkeley, and Sir George Carteret, the last two afterwards proprietors of New Jersey (see p. 57, ¶ 1.).

Now the only thing to find out is, what has this to do with your map!

Peter


At 00:00 28-5-2002, you wrote:
>I have a map with the foll title:
>"An accurate map of the West Indies exhibiting not only all the
>Islands possessed by the English, French, Spaniards & Dutch,
>but also all the Towns and Settlements on the Continent of
>America adjacent thereto"
>with extensive info on the "Course to Jamaica", "from Jamaica by the
>Gulph (sic) of Florida" and "from Jamaica by the Windward Pas-
>sage"  also info on the Charter granted by K.Charles II to "Ld.
>Chanc.r Clarendon Duke of Albemarle" province of Carolina.
>
>I am trying to establish further info on this Duke of Albemarle, but the
>only reference I was able to find was on George Monk (1608-1670), which
>seems too early. I found no other dukes of Albemarle and nothing under 
>Lord Chancellor nor Clarendon.
>Can anybody tell me more?
>Jens P.Bornholt


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What is there in the 63-vol. [British] 'Dictionary of national biography' ed. Sidney Lee and completed 1900?  And other data locatable via the online Saur 'World biographical index' mentioned in my previous response?

f.herbert@rgs.org
http://www.rgs.org [see 'Collections'/'Unlocking the Archives']

> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent:	27 May 2002 23:00
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> 
> I have a map with the foll title:
> "An accurate map of the West Indies exhibiting not only all the
> Islands possessed by the English, French, Spaniards & Dutch,
> but also all the Towns and Settlements on the Continent of
> America adjacent thereto"
> with extensive info on the "Course to Jamaica", "from Jamaica by the
> Gulph (sic) of Florida" and "from Jamaica by the Windward Pas-
> sage"  also info on the Charter granted by K.Charles II to "Ld.
> Chanc.r Clarendon Duke of Albemarle" province of Carolina.
> 
> I am trying to establish further info on this Duke of Albemarle, but the
> only reference I was able to find was on George Monk (1608-1670), which
> seems too early. I found no other dukes of Albemarle and nothing under
> Lord Chancellor nor Clarendon.
> Can anybody tell me more?
> Jens P.Bornholt
> 
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Helen Wallis Fellowship at the British Library awarded for 2001-2002 


The fourth Helen Wallis Fellow, Jon Carlson, a doctoral candidate in the Department of Political Science, Arizona State University, took up residence in the Map Library on 22 May 2002 for three months.   

The fellowship, named after the former Map Librarian, the late Dr Helen Wallis, 'confers recognition by the Library on a scholar whose work will help promote the extended and complementary use of the British Library's book and cartographic collections in historical investigation'. The Wallis Fellow has similar privileges to those accorded the Centre for the Book Fellows (with an additional £300 to spend on BL services). 

Jon Carlson will be researching the process by which the the modern European global system  expanded to include new regions, and the underlying economic, political and cultural processes that accompanied this expansion with particular reference to the Native Americans of the Vancouver Island region, the Asanti of West Africa, the kingdom of Abyssinia and Japan.


For the full terms of reference please contact maria.chang@bl.uk


The closing date for each annual award will be 1 May



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> What is there in the 63-vol. [British] 'Dictionary of national biography'
> ed. Sidney Lee and completed 1900?

Does everyone know that the DNB Index and Epitome (1903) is online in Tufts University's Perseus Project, in the Bolles London Collection area: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A2000.01.0013 There are mirror sites at Oxford and Berlin.

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I'm hoping someone on this list can help me.  I'm working on a cartobibliography of the maps in 18thc. British and American geography books.  Six of the seven maps in Daniel Fenning's "A new and easy guide to the use of the globes", Dublin 1796, bear the words "Engrav'd for Leech's geography."  Can anyone identify such a work?  There is no Leech's geography listed on the ESTC, and I can find nothing like it in any of the numerous library catalogs I have examined.  Any help will be much appreciated!!

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Since there is not so much traffic on MapHist lately, may I ask your attention for the map on the illustration page. Nobody has sent a reaction about this query (at least, not to the list).

Original message of 9 May:

I recently had posted on the Maphist website an image of a map depicting the Mediterranean and Red Sea Countries.  On its reverse is inscribed:

"William Steedman
His Book
Annodom
1728"

The map can be viewed at:  www.maphist.nl/illustr.html.

If anyone can provide me with information for this work, I would be most appreciative

Thank you.


Robert McHarg
New Orleans

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I have 2 maps to catalog that do not have dates on them.  The title is: East Africa Protectorate, Land Settlement Scheme, for ex-service men and women, key plan no. 1, showing the general locality of blocks available for allotment.  The second map is key plan no. 2.  They are both at a scale of 1:253,440.  Below the bottom border they say "Waterlow & Sons Limited, London Wall, London."  They both appear to be indexes to larger scale maps at 1:62,500. Does anyone know the date of these 2 maps?  Thank you.  

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[news of a new society, in a related discipline - posted by < t.campbell@ockendon.clara.co.uk >]

Mr Stuart Williams  FRAS of Bloxwich, Staffordshire, has been  gathering support for the  formation of a new Society for the  History of Astronomy;  this will be British based but will  accept  membership  applications  from overseas.  Dr Allan Chapman has agreed to act as President of the new body. 

The inaugural meeting  has been  fixed for Saturday 29 June at Wadham College, Oxford,  1400 hrs.  The nascent Society has a Web site at  < http://www.historyofastronomy.fsworld.co.uk/ > which is still in course  of construction  but has  some information on it, but not yet the agenda.   Those wishing to attend,  or merely to express interest, should email  Mr Williams at < flamsteed@v21mail.co.uk >  and he will send  the agenda.  

I would hope that many recipients will join me in welcoming Mr Williams'  initiative and  wishing the new Society well;  I am  sure that  encouraging messages  from 'far flung' sympathisers, or those who just cannot attend the meeting, would be gratefully received. 

Please could  you forward this message to any mailing lists to which you feel it is relevant,  with the usual apologies for any duplication.  
                               
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Barbara:

I found the following on Amicus (National Library of Canada):

AMICUS No. 10491184
Monograph

NAME(S):*Leech, William C
TITLE(S): Elements of geography : for the use of schools / by
               William C. Leech
               A short and easy introduction to the study of astronomy
               and geography
EDITION: The fifth edition, enlarged, improved and corrected.
PUBLISHER: Dublin : Printed by P. Wogan ... , 1801.
DESCRIPTION: [2], 72 p. ; 18 cm.

NOTES: Caption title: A short and easy introduction to the study
             of astronomy and geography.
             Tables.
NUMBERS: Canadiana:  915613220
CLASSIFICATION: Dewey:  910 19

Best regards,
Paul W. Schopp
======================================== ======================================== On Wednesday, May 29, 2002, Barbara McCorkle wrote:


I'm hoping someone on this list can help me.  I'm working on a cartobibliography of the maps in 18thc. British and American geography
books.  Six of the seven maps in Daniel Fenning's "A new and easy guide to
the use of the globes", Dublin 1796, bear the words "Engrav'd for Leech's
geography."  Can anyone identify such a work?  There is no Leech's
geography listed on the ESTC, and I can find nothing like it in any of the
numerous library catalogs I have examined.  Any help will be much appreciated!!

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Barbara,
     There was a geography, "Leech's Elements of Geography", advertised as a "school book" in a catalogue or newspaper advertisement in Canada between 1752 - 1820. All I could find

Don



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Date: 05/29/2002 08:48am


I'm hoping someone on this list can help me.  I'm working on a cartobibliography of the maps in 18thc. British and American geography books.  Six of the seven maps in Daniel Fenning's "A new and easy guide to
the use of the globes", Dublin 1796, bear the words "Engrav'd for Leech's
geography."  Can anyone identify such a work?  There is no Leech's geography listed on the ESTC, and I can find nothing like it in any of the
numerous library catalogs I have examined.  Any help will be much appreciated!!

Barbara McCorkle
bmccork@ku.edu

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> I'm hoping someone on this list can help me.  I'm working on a
> cartobibliography of the maps in 18thc. British and American geography
> books.  Six of the seven maps in Daniel Fenning's "A new and easy guide to
> the use of the globes", Dublin 1796, bear the words "Engrav'd for Leech's
> geography."

That would be this title in the BL:

Title: Elements of geography. for the use of schools. by William C. Leech Author: Leech. William C.
Series: CIHM/ICMH Microfiche series = CIHM/ICMH collection de microfiches.
no. 42129
Subject: Geography
Subject: Astronomy
Edition: The fifth edition, enlarged, improved and corrected Publication details: Dublin. Printed by P. Wogan .... 1801 ISBN: 066542129X
Shelfmark: Mic.F.232
Notes: Caption title: A short and easy introduction to the study of astronomy and geography
Notes: Tables
Notes: Original: [2], 72 p. ; 18 cm

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I wonder if someone can give me a hint regarding studies (or "the seminal" study) addressing the issue of (mostly hand-drawn) naval cartography in 18-19th century ship logs. Cornell University Library has a number of them, and we are looking at these manuscripts with great curiosity, and from all angles. Many titles include unique maps, which seem (to my untrained eye at least) to adhere to no particular standard or projection. Most are without a legend. They cover the regions covered by these voyages. They don't seem to contextualize too much, but seem to be of nautical map descent nonetheless. Maybe somebody can direct me towards an article or monographic study which includes a chapter on these types of illustrations. I would be most grateful.

A narrative form of such a log (which then would be accompanied by cartographic materials) can be found here (PDF file, 331kb): http://www.library.cornell.edu/wason/blah/retribution_log.pdf


Many thanks for your help.

Thomas H. Hahn, Ph.D.
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Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 22:17:02 +0100

MapHisters may be interested in the gist of an article run on Sunday 26 May 2002 in two of the more thoughtful of the British Sunday newspapers (The Independent on Sunday and The Observer), which was picked up the BBC (radio) that morning.

The article announced the placing on public exhibition of a scrappy, yellowing piece of paper covered with a  few `random' lines in ink that was discovered some three months ago in the archives of the National Maritime Museum, Greenwich, London.

The pen and ink drawing is on the back of a list of people whom Nelson wanted to receive favours. It was noticed by the historian Colin White, Director of Trafalgar 200 (an event planned to mark the bi-centenary in 2005 of the battle), in the course of his study of Nelson's `copious letters, many of which have never been published'.  After research and checking, White has confirmed the drawing as a pre-battle sketch of Nelson's battle plan. The sketch was probably made on one of Nelson's many visits to the Admiralty in September 1805 (the battle took place in October). in telling his fellow officers of his plan `Nelson dug his pen into the paper in his excitement'.

The sketch (reproduced in both newspapers) is described as being in two halves with the lower half showing the enemy fleet represented by a thick diagonal line. Three parallel lines on the left of the page represent British fleet forming three divisions attacking the French from one side and breaking up their line in two places, a move designed to `surprise and confound the Enemy' as Nelson is recorded as having told somebody a month before the campaign. It is where the British line of attack cuts into the French fleet, that Nelson's pen has dug into the paper.

Apart from the intrinsic value of the plan to historians of the Battle of Trafalgar, two points strike me as particularly noteworthy for map historians.

1. the plan is not , as Colin White points out, a finished drawing but a `swift doodle drawn hurriedly by a busy man to accompany an animated verbal description of his ideas. White's description music to my own ears, as one who has been championing for some time for more notice to be taken of the `little' maps of map history;

2. the scribbled lines don't  in the least `look' like a plan and they `spoke' only to the cognoscenti -- those who could recognise what they stood for from a deep knowledge of their context, the history of the battle etc.

The whole point about sketch maps is that they are not  meant to mean anything except to those for whose benefit they are produced. The insider quicky sees the point of what an outsider dismisses all too often as too `crude' to be worth taking any notice of. Most maps of this nature are rapidly disposed of.  For Nelson's cartographical `thinking aloud' to have been identified as well as survived is thus doubly a rare bonus.

The sketch is to be shown in the Hidden Treasures gallery until moved into a special bicentenary exhibition (no dates are given for this)

It may be that Maphisters have already heard about the plan-- and I have just missed some earlier posting on Maphist-- in which case, my apologies for repeating it.

Catherine Delano Smith

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Dan

We don't have these maps in our catalogue, but we have four others published by Waterlow, showing areas in South Africa. The dates on these maps are between 1900 and 1904, if this is of any help.

April
British Library Map Library

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I have 2 maps to catalog that do not have dates on them.  The title is: East Africa Protectorate, Land Settlement Scheme, for ex-service men and women, key plan no. 1, showing the general locality of blocks available for allotment.  The second map is key plan no. 2.  They are both at a scale of 1:253,440.  Below the bottom border they say "Waterlow & Sons Limited, London Wall, London."  They both appear to be indexes to larger scale maps at 1:62,500. Does anyone know the date of these 2 maps?  Thank you.  

Daniel T. Seldin                             Telephone: (812)855-2059 Map Cataloger Monographic Original Cataloging Unit         E-Mail:seldin@indiana.edu Technical Services Department
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Dan/April,
As a strange fate would have it, I have trying this mornming to catalogue two maps also published by Waterlow and Sons, London - one entitled Economic Commission Report part 1. Map no.1 East Africa Protectorate. General plan (provisional) and the other, East Africa Protectorate. General plan (provisional). Both are dated 1912 and were produced by 'Survey Department, Cadastral Branch' but of where I have no idea. Anyone elese with information?
John Moore.

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Dan

We don't have these maps in our catalogue, but we have four others published by Waterlow, showing areas in South Africa. The dates on these maps are between 1900 and 1904, if this is of any help.

April
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At 02:25 PM 5/30/2002 +0200, you wrote:  >Dan/April,
 >As a strange fate would have it, I have trying this mornming to catalogue  >two maps also published by Waterlow and Sons, London - one entitled Economic  >Commission Report part 1. Map no.1 East Africa Protectorate. General plan  >(provisional) and the other, East Africa Protectorate. General plan  >(provisional). Both are dated 1912 and were produced by 'Survey Department,  >Cadastral Branch' but of where I have no idea. Anyone elese with  >information?
 >John Moore.

    So far as I am aware, the only major EAP war veterans' resettlement scheme
    relates to the white veterans of the First World War, and most of that land
    was in the highlands.  I do not believe that the settlement was in planning
    before 1918.  Maps produced by Cadastral Branch would have been the responsibility
    and holding of the Colony.  It's possible that the "resettlement scheme"
    maps could have been produced on extant map stock--is there any indication
    that the original query's map and these other two are from the same series of
    maps (scale, distinguishing features)?  I'm not familiar enough with EAP's
    cadastral production to say what their map output was like in terms of volume
    or budget, but I would not at all be surprised if a 1912 (or earlier!) base map
    was the stock used even after the war.

    At any rate the map would almost certainly antedate 1920, or it would likely
    have (Kenya Colony.) added somewhere on the cartouche (1920 being the year of
    the incorporation of Zanzibar's coastal territories and EAP as such).

    Hope this helps.

    best

    LFB

    ---

    Lindsay Frederick Braun (Mr)
    Department of History
    Rutgers, the State University of New Jersey

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CAMBRIDGE HISTORY OF CARTOGRAPHY SEMINARS

This is a reminder of two upcoming talks:

Tuesday, June 4
Daniel Birkholz (Pomona College)
Harley Lyrics and Hereford Maps: Literature, Cartography, Biography

Tuesday, June 11
Scott D. Westrem (Graduate Center and Lehman College, City University of New York)
Medieval Mapcraft

Both talks will take place at 5.30 pm, in the Old Combination Room at Trinity College, Cambridge.

All welcome

For further details please contact Alfred Hiatt, Trinity College, Cambridge, England (ach26@cam.ac.uk)



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Users of 'Who's who in the history of cartography ... (D9)' ed. by Mary Alice Lowenthal (Tring [now: Aylesbury] : Map Collector Publications for Imago Mundi Ltd, 1998),  ISBN 0-906430-18-6,  may wish to amend their entry for HRENKO Pal.  He will no longer be publishing works on the history of cartography as an obituary notice (with portrait) for him was published in 'Geodezia es Kartografia' (Budapest),  2002,  54.evf.,1,  45-46,  ISSN 0016-7118.  Several of his articles published in 'Geodezia es Kartografia' were listed and indexed in past issues of the 'Imago Mundi Bibliography'.

Doubtless this information will soon be added by Tony Campbell to the online update for 'D9' -  [http://ihr.sas.ac.uk/maps/d9update.html]

HERBERT Ferenc
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Not infrequently Maphist is posted toponymic queries relating to Central Europe (partly in order to give Ron Whistance-Smith something to do in his spare time), so I alert subscribers to the following article arrived on my desk this morning (excuse the lack of accents/diacritics):-

Helysegnevek a romaniai koztudatban : az endonima es exonima mezsgyejen = Place-names in the common knowledge of Hungarians from Romania : on the boundaries of endonyms and exonyms / BARTOS-ELEKES Zsombor. - In 'Geodezia es Kartografia : a Magyar foldmeresi, terkepeszti es taverzekelesi tarsasag lapja' (Budapest),  2002,  54.evf.,2,  19-24. - Summ. in E. - 7 notes & bibliogr. (including Lipszky's map of 1804-06). - Summ. begins: "By definition, the terms 'endonym' and 'exonym' do not include locally used, unofficial names.  Therefore, I propose to create a new term, 'internym', to define them."; and notes also: "Many localities are known to have several unofficial Hungarian names.  A complete standardization of the Hungarian place-names took place from 1898 to 1913.". - ISSN 0016-7118 

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Barbara (and others)

My response won't identify Leech but just to say that none of the maps from the four Fenning & Collyer `New System of Geography'  books in the British Library--which have been included in my atlas collation project because they contain more than nine maps--have any reference to Leech. I won't try and suggest catalogues or other reference works to search as I'm sure you've delved into all of them. Maybe it was a peculiar (special) Dublin publication that failed to come to fruition.

Good luck in completing your own cartobibliography.

Rodney Shirley
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> I'm hoping someone on this list can help me.  I'm working on a
> cartobibliography of the maps in 18thc. British and American geography
> books.  Six of the seven maps in Daniel Fenning's "A new and easy guide to
> the use of the globes", Dublin 1796, bear the words "Engrav'd for Leech's
> geography."  Can anyone identify such a work?  There is no Leech's
> geography listed on the ESTC, and I can find nothing like it in any of the
> numerous library catalogs I have examined.  Any help will be much
> appreciated!!
>
> Barbara McCorkle
> bmccork@ku.edu
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To Don McGuirk, Al Margary, Paul Schopp and Kit Godwin, who answered my query re Leech's geography, many thanks.  Since the maps which cite Leech's geography were published in 1797, there must have been an edition printed before the 1801 5th edition you mention.  So, if anyone out there has found an earlier edition, I'd love to hear about it.  
      Barbara

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