X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Baarnhielm, Goran" To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 02:33:25 +0100 X-Mailer: Netscape Webmail Subject: [MapHist] Re: [MapHist] RE: [MapHist] Papers presented to Ulla Ehrensvärd X-Accept-Language: sv X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Many thanks to Ed for his kind words and to Francis for the bibliographic information when I, by pure neglect, didn't check the MapHist properly. It can be added that there are 32 contributions in all, and also a bibliography of Ulla Ehrensvärd's publications. The contributions in Swedish are provided with a few lines of abstract in English. The book can be ordered by sending an e-mail to our distributing person: . List price is SEK 300 (incl. VAT). Happy New Year Göran Bäärnhielm ******************************************************************* Göran Bäärnhielm, Map Curator Kungl. biblioteket - The Royal Library - National Library of Sweden P.O. Box 5039, SE-102 41 Stockholm, Sweden Tel.: +46-8-463 4180. Fax: +46-8-463 4328. E-mail: goran.baarnhielm@kb.se ******************************************************************* ----- Original Message ----- From: F.Herbert@RGS.org Date: Thursday, December 18, 2003 12:20 pm Subject: [MapHist] RE: [MapHist] Papers presented to Ulla Ehrensvärd > Ed/MapHist: > > As Göran seems to be 'incommunicado' I supply, in the interim, my > *provisional* entry for the 'Imago Mundi Bibliography' for vol. > 56(2) [to be > published sometime in autumn/fall 2004!]. And I mean > 'provisional': no > consistency in punctuation, no added explanations of the contents > of each > contribution - and the authors' first names will be in full in the > eventual'Bibliography' names index only, etc.:- > > > > Accurata descriptio : studier i kartografi, numismatik, > orientalistik och > biblioteksväsen tillägnade Ulla Ehrensvärd = Accurata descriptio : > papers in > cartography, numismatics, oriental studies and librarianship > presented to > Ulla Ehrensvärd / [redaktionskommité : Göran Bäärnhielm, Folke > Sandgren,Anders Burius]. - Stockholm : Kungl. Biblioteket, 2003. - > 567p., 15p. of > col. plates : ill., maps, portr. ; 24 cm. - The pages of col. > plates are > bound together at end of vol. - Contents (selected): Tullinspektor > Berghmanoch Söderköpings karta / G. Bäärnhielm (p.73-79, col. > plate I) - Cartes > suédoises dans la collection Vandermaelen ā Bruxelles / L. Danckaert > (p.97-117) - Två framstående kartsamlare : polarforskaren Adolf Erik > Nordenskiöld och minister Carl Enckell / C. af Forselles-Riska > (p.119-130, > col. plates II-III) - The Seven Years War imagined / B. Gäfvert > (p.[131]-136, col. plates IV-V) - Münster's three maps of > Scandinavia : how > to identify different states and editions / N. Germundson (p.[137]- > 143) - > The coins on Herman Moll's maps of the counties of England and > Wales, 1724 / > P.D.A. and Y. Harvey (p.[169]-200) - Profet i främmande land : > Jacob Gråberg > och Marockokartan / S. Helmfrid (p.[253]-267) - Jacob Gråberg af > Hemsö, the > Royal Geographical Society, the Foreign Office, and Italian > portolan charts > for the British Museum / F. Herbert (p.[269]-314) - Stray notes on > someplace-names on Strahlenberg's map / G. Jarring (p.[325]-330) - > A.E.Nordenskiöld and the discovery of history / P. Kokkonen > (p.[337]-352) - Leo > Bagrow ā Paris / M. Pelletier (p[.379]-385) - Swedish maps and > plans in > Russian archives / A. V. Postnikov & A. A. Litvin (p.[387]-394) - > The towns, > the countryside, and the Land Survey / G. Samuelsson (p.[395]-402, > col.plates VI-VIII) - Unknown steps in the Arctic Sea : the voyage > by Mouris > Willemsz (1608 or earlier) / G. Schilder (p.[403]-418) - A hand- > draftedGerman spatial planning atlas of the occupied 'General- > Gouvernement' (1940) > / E. Schnayder (p.[419]-443, col. plates IX-XI) - La cartothčque du > Ministčre wallon de l'Équipement et des Transports / M. Watelet > (p.[459]-465, col. plate XII) - Preussische Karten von der > Ostseeküste / L. > Zögner (p.[521]- 527, col. plates XIII-XV). - (Acta Bibliothecae > regiaeStockholmiensis, ISSN 0065-1060 ; 69). - ISBN 91-7000-222-3 > > > As my personal copy of the whole publication is at home, ordering > details(personal name of contact, postal and e-mail addresses, > etc.) can be found > on KB's website: http://www.kb.se/kbstart.htm [choice of languages > if anyone > is not comfortable with Swedish] > > Francis > f.herbert@rgs.org > http://www.rgs.org [see 'Collections'/'Unlocking the Archives'] > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ed Dahl [mailto:edahl@iosphere.net] > Sent: 12 December 2003 15:46 > To: MAPHIST (to post) > Subject: [MapHist] Papers presented to Ulla Ehrensvärd > > I have received the following wonderful volume: > > "Accurata Descriptio: Papers in Cartography, Numismatics, > Oriental Studies and Librarianship Presented to Ulla > Ehrensvärd." Stockholm: Kungl. Biblioteket, 2003, 567 pages. > (ISBN 91-7000-222-3) > > Might someone on MapHist -- Göran? -- be able to comment on this > publication and give details about its availability? > > > Ed Dahl, 1292 Montée Paiement, Gatineau, Québec J8R 3K5, CANADA > TEL: (819) 561-4029 FAX: (819) 561-7753 > edahl@iosphere.net > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any > responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.info > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any > responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.info > _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: maphist15@mail.maphist.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 10:37:19 +0100 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: List-owner MapHist Subject: [MapHist] MapHist Archives X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS-perl11-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Happy 2004 to your all! This year we celebrate the tenth anniversary of MapHist, which was in the air on 7 March 1994. Read about the history of MapHist on the MapHist web page http://www.maphist.info (-> General information -> The Hist of MapHist). Those of you who want to read everything again what was written to MapHist last year, or who wants to keep a reference on their hard disc, a zip-file (about 1 Mb) is available from the archive page http://www.maphist.info (-> Archives). Again there will be no MapHist cd-rom, because I am busy...busy...busy. However, if some of you wants to volunteer to do the rather simple, but time-consuming, work to edit the 2002 and 2003 messages, contact me (OFF LIST PLEASE, DO NOT REPLY). Converting the files to pdf, indexing and producing the cd-roms will be no problem for me. Peter Peter van der Krogt List-owner MapHist List-info: http://www.maphist.nl _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "tony campbell" To: "*MapHist" Cc: Subject: [MapHist] J. Huston McCulloch on the Vinland Map Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 16:00:43 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl The list ought to be aware that J. Huston McCulloch's webarticle, 'The Vinland Map -- Some "Finer Points" of the Debate' < http://www.econ.ohio-state.edu/jhm/arch/vinland/vinland.htm > (first mounted in August 2001) was represented, extensively revised, on Boxing Day. There is much thoughful comment, which - it seems to me - deserves an equally measured response. ***************************************** Tony Campbell t.campbell@ockendon.clara.co.uk ****************************************** 'Map History / History of Cartography: THE Gateway to the Subject' http://www.maphistory.info/ [NB. New address August 2003] _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 12:46:35 -0900 From: Dee Longenbaugh Subject: Re: [MapHist] J. Huston McCulloch on the Vinland Map X-Sender: deelong@mail.gci.net To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Cc: mcculloch.2@osu.edu X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Quite interesting. Dr. McCulloch teaches Economics and Finance at Ohio State University. A quick look at Dr. McCulloch's Web site shows he's convinced of the authenticity of several controversial items, such as the Minnesota Rune Stone and the Bat Cave stone, as well as the Burrows Cave artifacts. All very entertaining. Check it out by going to http://www.econ.ohio-state.edu/jhm/jhm.html Not too late to wish a happy, healthy, and prosperous new year to all MapHisters and families. Dee At 4:00 PM +0000 1/3/04, tony campbell wrote: >The list ought to be aware that J. Huston McCulloch's webarticle, 'The >Vinland Map -- Some "Finer Points" of the Debate' < >http://www.econ.ohio-state.edu/jhm/arch/vinland/vinland.htm > (first mounted >in August 2001) was represented, extensively revised, on Boxing Day. > >There is much thoughful comment, which - it seems to me - deserves an >equally measured response. > >***************************************** >Tony Campbell > >t.campbell@ockendon.clara.co.uk >****************************************** >'Map History / History of Cartography: THE Gateway to the Subject' >http://www.maphistory.info/ >[NB. New address August 2003] > >_______________________________________________________________ >MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. >The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for >the views of the author. >List Information: http://www.maphist.info -- The Observatory, ABAA 200 North Franklin Street Juneau, Alaska 99801 907/586-9676 fax 907/586-9606 deelong@alaska.com http://www.observatorybooks.com Since 1977 _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: jenterli@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 23:30:44 -0500 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: James Enterline Subject: Re: [MapHist] J. Huston McCulloch on the Vinland Map X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl What are you saying, Dee, that he should therefore go away and keep quiet? Or that we should not bother our heads with such pesky details as he addresses? Exactly what is your measured response? I have read every word in McCulloch's report, and my only complaint is that, while he lists my new book in his references, he nowhere in his text addresses my highly relevant Appendix on the Vinland Map's ink. Happy New Year to you, too, Dee. Jim At 12:46 PM 01/03/04 -0900, you wrote: >Quite interesting. Dr. McCulloch teaches Economics and Finance at Ohio >State University. A quick look at Dr. McCulloch's Web site shows he's >convinced of the authenticity of several controversial items, such as the >Minnesota Rune Stone and the Bat Cave stone, as well as the Burrows Cave >artifacts. > All very entertaining. > Check it out by going to http://www.econ.ohio-state.edu/jhm/jhm.html > Not too late to wish a happy, healthy, and prosperous new year to > all MapHisters and families. > Dee > >At 4:00 PM +0000 1/3/04, tony campbell wrote: >>The list ought to be aware that J. Huston McCulloch's webarticle, 'The >>Vinland Map -- Some "Finer Points" of the Debate' < >>http://www.econ.ohio-state.edu/jhm/arch/vinland/vinland.htm > (first mounted >>in August 2001) was represented, extensively revised, on Boxing Day. >> >>There is much thoughful comment, which - it seems to me - deserves an >>equally measured response. >> >>***************************************** >>Tony Campbell >> >>t.campbell@ockendon.clara.co.uk >>****************************************** >>'Map History / History of Cartography: THE Gateway to the Subject' >>http://www.maphistory.info/ >>[NB. New address August 2003] _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 14:07:11 -0900 From: Dee Longenbaugh Subject: Re: [MapHist] J. Huston McCulloch on the Vinland Map X-Sender: deelong@mail.gci.net To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl All I am saying, James, is that when someone makes a magisterial pronouncement the prudent person will check the someone's credentials. Outside his chosen field, Dr. McCulloch seems easily impressed. Thank you for the good wishes. Dee At 11:30 PM -0500 1/3/04, James Enterline wrote: >What are you saying, Dee, that he should therefore go away and keep >quiet? Or that we should not bother our heads with such pesky >details as he addresses? Exactly what is your measured response? > I have read every word in McCulloch's report, and my only >complaint is that, while he lists my new book in his references, he >nowhere in his text addresses my highly relevant Appendix on the >Vinland Map's ink. > >Happy New Year to you, too, Dee. Jim > >At 12:46 PM 01/03/04 -0900, you wrote: >>Quite interesting. Dr. McCulloch teaches Economics and Finance at >>Ohio State University. A quick look at Dr. McCulloch's Web site >>shows he's convinced of the authenticity of several controversial >>items, such as the Minnesota Rune Stone and the Bat Cave stone, as >>well as the Burrows Cave artifacts. >> All very entertaining. >> Check it out by going to http://www.econ.ohio-state.edu/jhm/jhm.html >> Not too late to wish a happy, healthy, and prosperous new >>year to all MapHisters and families. >> Dee >> >>At 4:00 PM +0000 1/3/04, tony campbell wrote: >>>The list ought to be aware that J. Huston McCulloch's webarticle, 'The >>>Vinland Map -- Some "Finer Points" of the Debate' < >>>http://www.econ.ohio-state.edu/jhm/arch/vinland/vinland.htm > (first mounted >>>in August 2001) was represented, extensively revised, on Boxing Day. >>> >>>There is much thoughful comment, which - it seems to me - deserves an >>>equally measured response. >>> >>>***************************************** >>>Tony Campbell >>> >>>t.campbell@ockendon.clara.co.uk >>>****************************************** >>>'Map History / History of Cartography: THE Gateway to the Subject' >>>http://www.maphistory.info/ >>>[NB. New address August 2003] > > >_______________________________________________________________ >MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. >The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for >the views of the author. >List Information: http://www.maphist.info -- The Observatory, ABAA 200 North Franklin Street Juneau, Alaska 99801 907/586-9676 fax 907/586-9606 deelong@alaska.com http://www.observatorybooks.com Since 1977 _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Originating-IP: [207.109.22.73] X-Originating-Email: [m_zalar@hotmail.com] X-Sender: m_zalar@hotmail.com From: "michael zalar" To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: Re: [MapHist] J. Huston McCulloch on the Vinland Map Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 07:48:42 +0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jan 2004 07:48:42.0487 (UTC) FILETIME=[56E7F870:01C3D360] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Having looked at the site, I find his articles to be well researched , and not given to wild unreferenced statements. I note that some of his work has been published in peer reviewed journals such as Tennessee Anthopologist, and Biblical Archaeology Review. Nor does it appear that he makes any outright claims to their authenticity - he merely presents the cases for authenticity. That can be seen in his conclusions on the Vinland Map, which do not conclude that the Vinland Map is authentic, but shows reasonable cause for rebuttal of several arguments critical of of the Map. Of course, any argument should be judged on its own merit, regardless of its author. As to the Minnesota (Kensington) Runestone (found near Kensington Minnesota and bearing the date 1362), it has been the object of personal study of mine for about a half dozen years. During that time it has moved from being viewed as "an obvius hoax" to a reexamination by the Museum of National Antiquities in Sweden. Research has shown that one of the runes on the stone, thought to have been made up by the presumed forger did indeed exsist in documents found only in the early 14th century. Perhaps more importantly, a geological study of the stone, using samples examined under an Scanning Electron Microscope, reveal heavy weathering of the inscription. The mica on such surfaces has been entirely destroyed by weathering prior to its removal from such weathering forces in 1907. Mica samples from gravestones dating back roughly 200 years do not show such weathering, leading to a preliminary assumption that the inscription is likely to date back at least that far (prior to 1700) which predates even the earliest exploration of the region. More research needs to be done along these lines, however. To tie this all in with Map History, the Kensington Stone may solve the riddle of why Hudson Bay appears on so many maps prior do the first known exploration of the Bay. It is known that there was an expedition which explored beyond Greenland and which returned to Bergen in 1364. An account of the voyage was apparently written up in a book called the "Invetio Fortunatae" which was know in the midieval period, but is now lost. A summary of the book's history can be found in the Vinland Map and the Tartar Relation. If we assume that the Kensignton Runestone is authentic, and that a record of the expedition survived, it may have been used by cartographers to map the Bay prior to Hudson's expedition, and possible prior to Columbus as Mr. Enterline has pointed out in his book. For more on the Kensington Runestone see my website www.krs1362.cjb.net Michael A. Zalar 1191 Hancock Ave St. Paul, MN 55106 651-330-2514 m_zalar@hotmail.com >From: Dee Longenbaugh > >Quite interesting. Dr. McCulloch teaches Economics and Finance at Ohio >State University. A quick look at Dr. McCulloch's Web site shows he's >convinced of the authenticity of several controversial items, such as the >Minnesota Rune Stone and the Bat Cave stone, as well as the Burrows Cave >artifacts. > All very entertaining. > Check it out by going to http://www.econ.ohio-state.edu/jhm/jhm.html > Not too late to wish a happy, healthy, and prosperous new year to all >MapHisters and families. > Dee > >At 4:00 PM +0000 1/3/04, tony campbell wrote: >>The list ought to be aware that J. Huston McCulloch's webarticle, 'The >>Vinland Map -- Some "Finer Points" of the Debate' < >>http://www.econ.ohio-state.edu/jhm/arch/vinland/vinland.htm > (first >>mounted >>in August 2001) was represented, extensively revised, on Boxing Day. >> >>There is much thoughful comment, which - it seems to me - deserves an >>equally measured response. >> >>***************************************** >>Tony Campbell >> _________________________________________________________________ Expand your wine savvy — and get some great new recipes — at MSN Wine. http://wine.msn.com _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 07:57:56 +0000 From: Doug Weller To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: Re: [MapHist] J. Huston McCulloch on the Vinland Map User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 / FreeBSD-4.6 X-Originating-IP: 80.86.36.97 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Quoting michael zalar : > Having looked at the site, I find his articles to be well researched , and > not given to wild unreferenced statements. I note that some of his work has > been published in peer reviewed journals such as Tennessee Anthopologist, > and Biblical Archaeology Review. I don't believe that either of these journals are peer reviewed. [SNIP] Doug -- Doug & Helen's Dogs: http://www.dougandhelen.com Doug's Archaeology Site http://www.ramtops.co.uk _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: F.Herbert@RGS.org To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] Olga Kudrnovska (historian of cartography) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 12:40:25 -0000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl

Rather late (but I picked up the information only just before Christmas) can be announced the death on 13 March 2003 of the Czech cartographer and cartographic historian Dr Olga Kudrnovska (born 30.5.1917).  Dr Kudrnovska had an entry in 'D9' (Map Collector Publications, for Imago Mundi Ltd, 1998).   See also, e.g., 'Imago Mundi Bibliography' entries 77:29(167) [i.e. entry no. 167 in vol. 29 of 'IM', published 1977], 84:36(215), 88:40(216), 89:41(042), 92:44(230), and 95:47(171); and several entries in vol. 1 of the new publication -

 

Bibliographia Cartographica : Internationale Dokumenatation des kartographischen Schrifttums : kumuliertes Autorenregister 1 (1974) - 29 (2002) = Bibliographia Cartographica : International documentation of cartographical literature [: cumulated author index 1 (1974) - 29 (2002)] / herausg. von der Staatsbibliothek zu Berlin - Preussischer Kulturbesitz - in Verbindung mit der Deutschen Gesellschaft für Kartographie e.V. ; Redaktion: Wolfgang Crom. - München : Saur, 2004. - 2 vol. (viii,344 p. ; [iv],354p.) ; 22 cm. - Contents: Band 1 : A - K ; Band 2 : L - Z. - ISBN 3-598-20647-X (2 Bände). - ISSN 0340-0409      

 

Francis Herbert

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 Reply-To: "Rodney Shirley" From: "Rodney Shirley" To: Subject: Re: [MapHist] Merry Christmas Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 12:53:43 -0000 Organization: UUNET X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS-perl11-milter (http://amavis.org/) Dear Peter Thanks for your nice Christmas mesage and I do hope that on behalf of all of us you are diligently following up Patrick Foster and Mrs Grace Merry. I certainly look forward to my $750 [or will it be in Nigerian zonks?], out of which I will gladly pay you a generous servicing fee... You're lucky with MapHist's spam--only 20-30 a day. I get 50 or 60--over 75% on all incoming mail. I've got a so-called spam filter but it doesn't copes with them all. This is meant as a thank-you to you personally, and with all best wishes for 2004; not for all of the Maphist subscribers. Yours Rodney Shirley rws@dial.pipex.com From: "Peter van der Krogt" To: Sent: 23 December 2003 13:51 Subject: [MapHist] Merry Christmas > Dear all > > It is quite on the list now, thus I hope you all will forgive me this off > topic message. As you all know there is a lot of spam email, and the > MapHist list receives about 20-30 a day. This time there was a happy > message for us all: > > A certain Patrick Foster on behalf of mrs. Grace Merry (the lottery > coordinator, what a name for this time of year!) informs us kindly that in > the Lottery Winners International programs held on the 10th of December > 2003 our e-mail address "drew lucky numbers ... which consequently won in > the 2nd category, you are therefore been approved for a lump sum of payment > of US$ 500,000 (FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND UNITED STATES DOLLARS) > CONGRATULATIONS!!!" > > Isn't that nice? We are with about 665 subscribers thus that is about $750 > each, maybe a bit more, since "Anybody under the age of 18 is automatically > disqualified." Sorry minor-subscribers - if any - you won't get a cent > (oops, MapHist is only 9 - almost 10 - years old, are we disqualified?) > > Patrick wants us to keep this information confidential and call him, "all > winning must be claimed not later than 15th of JENUARY 2004" [sic] > > I don't know what is the snake in the grass in this spam message, but I am > absolutely sure that you never get any money when you call. You probably > have to pay first some subscription fee and then you never hear anything... > > Merry Christmas! > > Peter (I don't read all the spam, but according to sender and subject this > message was a doubtful case) > > Peter van der Krogt > List-owner MapHist > List-info: http://www.maphist.nl X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "J.B. Post" To: Subject: [MapHist] Proposed US legislation / Tufte on PowerPoint Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 08:28:46 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl
   It seems proposed legislation in the US Congress (H.R. 3261) is attempting to "protect" facts and public domain information in databases as well as original intellectual creations.  Details can be found at http://www.infotoday.com/searcher/jan04/ebbinghouse.shtml should one want them.  Nothing may come of it, but as we all rely more and more on electronic media, it's worth knowing about this and about the opposition to the proposed legislation.
 
   Edward Tufte - he of Envisioning Information fame - has just had issued a booklet, The Cognitive Style of PowerPoint (Graphics Press [Box 430, Cheshire, CT 06410], 2003 $7.00) which claims such electronic presentations too easily lead to intellectually empty presentations which become little more than reading key points on the screen.  While this certainly happens in business and any sort of administrative presentations, the heavy use of graphics in map presentations as opposed to just "bullets," is a saving factor.  Though Tufte considers PowerPoint slides projected on a wall to have low resolution, enlarging portions of a  map for examination and discussion seem to work.  I haven't finished the booklet, but so far it seems to be what not to do.  I don't think this is so much a vendetta against PowerPoint as against sloppy presentations of any sort and it's just that PowerPoint seems to make sloppy presentations easier.
 
        J. B. Post
 
 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: panis@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.2 Macintosh Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 06:02:30 -0800 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: John McChesney-Young Subject: Re: [MapHist] Proposed US legislation / Tufte on PowerPoint X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl J. B. Post wrote in part: << Edward Tufte - he of Envisioning Information fame - has just had issued a booklet, The Cognitive Style of PowerPoint (Graphics Press [Box 430, Cheshire, CT 06410], 2003 $7.00) which claims such electronic presentations too easily lead to intellectually empty presentations which become little more than reading key points on the screen. >> Tufte also wrote a short essay on PowerPoint which was published last September by _Wired Magazine_. It's still available at: http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.09/ppt2.html I expect it provides a summary of his points in the booklet (the web page for ordering which can be found at: http://www.edwardtufte.com/tufte/powerpoint). John -- *** John McChesney-Young ** panis@pacbell.net ** Berkeley, California, U.S.A. *** _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: john@woram.com@mail.woram.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 09:27:10 -0500 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: John Woram Subject: Re: [MapHist] Proposed US legislation / Tufte on PowerPoint X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by WebHouse, Inc. http://www.webhse.com for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl In the "Wired" piece, Tufte wrote: "To sell a product that messes up data with such systematic intensity, Microsoft abandons any pretense of statistical integrity and reasoning." A good point, but he doesn't take it far enough. He should accuse Kodak of starting it all-- selling projectors that permit anyone to show lousy slides. And then there's Nikon and the others that supply cameras, and you know what people do with *them.* I think Tufte should stick to what he does best, and remember that it's the people, not the hardware/software, that create (in his terms) "chart junk" (cartographic or otherwise). --- This E-mail was scanned for viruses by WebHouse, Inc. http://www.webhse.com _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: MKBabinski@aol.com Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 09:40:21 EST Subject: Re: [MapHist] Proposed US legislation / Tufte on PowerPoint To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6024 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl In a message dated 1/5/2004 7:34:40 AM Mountain Standard Time, john@woram.com writes:

I think Tufte should stick to what he does best, and remember that it's the
people, not the hardware/software, that create (in his terms) "chart junk"
(cartographic or otherwise).

Hear, hear - the same story as with the anti-2nd Amendment nuts here in the good 'ole USA who would take away guns from law-abiding citizens - it is PEOPLE who kill not guns.

Mark
 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: day@pop.theworld.com Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 09:49:33 -0500 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: John Day Subject: Re: [MapHist] Proposed US legislation / Tufte on PowerPoint X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl >In the "Wired" piece, Tufte wrote: "To sell a product that messes up >data with such systematic intensity, Microsoft abandons any pretense >of statistical integrity and reasoning." > >A good point, but he doesn't take it far enough. He should accuse >Kodak of starting it all-- selling projectors that permit anyone to >show lousy slides. And then there's Nikon and the others that supply >cameras, and you know what people do with *them.* > >I think Tufte should stick to what he does best, and remember that >it's the people, not the hardware/software, that create (in his >terms) "chart junk" (cartographic or otherwise). Unless your tongue is so far in your cheek that I missed it, ;-) I think you are missing Tufte's point about his complaint of Microsoft abandoning any statistical integrity etc. This is not a question of allowing people to simply do more bad presentations. I believe he is pointing at Power Point's options for making graphs and plotting information is so coarse and the algorithms so bad as to make the results essentially unusable. If you are not very careful, it is very easy for a computer to turn lots of good data into meaningless junk. I have seen cases were a minimal amount of processing of the data ended up with data that would have been more accurate if you had used a slide rule. If you are not careful, you can simply add string of 6 or 8 numbers and lose 2 or 3 significant digits. Take care, John _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: ascook@dalrymple.u-net.com To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] Peer review [was Vinland Map] Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 15:07:31 GMT X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl One should not confuse peer review with expert review. Peer review is not the acme of reviewing, but only an opinion solicited from a person or persons considered to be the reviewed author's intellectual equal. The genuine seeker-after-wisdom-and-truth will always prefer expert review, and will not be content until he/she finds it. ----------------------------------------------------------- Dr Andrew S Cook ascook@dalrymple.u-net.com Dalrymple Research Institute for the Study of the History of Lowland Scots Hydrography 66 Compton Road Winchmore Hill Telephone 020 8360 7564 London N21 3NS United Kingdom ----------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Doug Weller [mailto:dweller@ramtops.co.uk] Sent: 05 January 2004 07:58 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: Re: [MapHist] J. Huston McCulloch on the Vinland Map Quoting michael zalar : > Having looked at the site, I find his articles to be well researched , and > not given to wild unreferenced statements. I note that some of his work has > been published in peer reviewed journals such as Tennessee Anthopologist, > and Biblical Archaeology Review. I don't believe that either of these journals are peer reviewed. [SNIP] Doug -- Doug & Helen's Dogs: http://www.dougandhelen.com Doug's Archaeology Site http://www.ramtops.co.uk _______________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: john@woram.com@mail.woram.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 11:04:01 -0500 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: John Woram Subject: Re: [MapHist] Proposed US legislation / Tufte on PowerPoint X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by WebHouse, Inc. http://www.webhse.com for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl John Day wrote: "Unless your tongue is so far in your cheek that I missed it, ..." Guilty as charged. I'm no friend of Gates & Co., and I like PowerPoint even less--and in fact never use it. But to be fair (I hope), it is what it is--a nice mechanism for projecting computer-based slides. But neither Microsoft, nor PP, have any control over what is on those slides. Tufte should blame people for mishandling the tool, and not blame the tool for being mishandled. Or as the NRA might put it: "PowerPoint doesn't bore people. People bore people." --- This E-mail was scanned for viruses by WebHouse, Inc. http://www.webhse.com _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 16:52:51 +0000 From: Doug Weller To: "ascook@dalrymple.u-net.com" Subject: Re: [MapHist] Peer review [was Vinland Map] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Hi Andrew, Monday, January 5, 2004, 3:07:31 PM, you wrote: > One should not confuse peer review with expert review. Peer review is not > the acme of reviewing, but only an opinion solicited from a person or > persons considered to be the reviewed author's intellectual equal. The > genuine seeker-after-wisdom-and-truth will always prefer expert review, and > will not be content until he/she finds it. Ok, but, for instance, I have seen a comment on at least one article in the Biblical Archaeology Review pointing out that it was not peer reviewed, let along 'expert reviewed'. Doug -- Doug Weller Moderator, sci.archaeology.moderated Submissions to:sci-archaeology-moderated@medieval.org Doug and Helen's Dogs: http://www.dougandhelen.com Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.co.uk _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: np003a5704@pop3.blueyonder.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 18:18:37 +0000 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Nick Pelling Subject: Re: [MapHist] Proposed US legislation / Tufte on PowerPoint X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jan 2004 18:19:01.0117 (UTC) FILETIME=[6490F2D0:01C3D3B8] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Hi John, At 11:04 05/01/2004 -0500, John Woram wrote: >I'm no friend of Gates & Co., and I like PowerPoint even less--and in fact >never use it. But to be fair (I hope), it is what it is--a nice mechanism >for projecting computer-based slides. But neither Microsoft, nor PP, have >any control over what is on those slides. Tufte should blame people for >mishandling the tool, and not blame the tool for being mishandled. Or as >the NRA might put it: "PowerPoint doesn't bore people. People bore people." I don't think that's entirely fair on Tufte - his point seems to be far more that the tools PowerPoint supplies to help its users produce visual information are just plain inadequate for the job. Having spent a fair bit of time using PowerPoint over the last 5 years, I'd largely agree with that summary - my best slides have been based around externally-created compelling images (such as maps, of course), to which PowerPoint adds little or nothing useful. All the same, I suspect that Tufte may be deliberately conflating screen output with print output to make his point sound better than it actually is. I'd observe that the level of (what one might call) "visual discovery" typically possible in a projected slide falls far short of that in a reasonable-quality printed page, which makes constructing effective slides is often a difficult challenge... which PowerPoint typically fails to help its users tackle. However, I don't see many other people/companies stepping forward with better approaches or tools - perhaps this *lack of ideas* is the real problem here? Cheers, .....Nick Pelling..... PS: the previous story on Wired (David Byrne's "Learning to Love PowerPoint") demonstrates how fresh ideas might just be able to enliven otherwise PowerPointless presentations. :-) Perhaps it's a start... :-) http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.09/ppt1.html _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Pellervo Kokkonen" To: Subject: [MapHist] M. Bonatti. Effigiens ant. Romae... Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 21:00:21 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl
Dear all,
 
I need to form an opinion concerning an interesting map: M. Bonatti inc. .?. Effigies ant. Romae ex vestigiis ae...?....... testímonio vet. avtorvm... [etc. etc.] ... imp. caesar avgvstvs. Appears to be a plan of ancient Rome. It has nice coloring, the size is c. 50x35 cm (print area w/h). The image looks old - more like 17th c. A web search, however,  revealed that M. Bonatti has published maps in 1820s. I am not sure, whether the map I am dealing with could be original. It seems to be a print with watercolor. The indentation of the plate is clear. Somewhere in the web space there was a mention of brothers Bonatti and their publishing business with no further specification.
 
In the British Library catalogue I found the entry:
 
Title Details: Effigies Ant. Romae ... C. Weigelius excudit
Publisher: Norimb[ergiae], [1700?]
 
The title is similar - might it be the same map - the original version?
 
Can anyone provide more information? My access to reference works is so limited at the moment, that if anyone would bother to provide me more information, I would be grateful.
 
With Best Wishes for the New Year,
 
Pellervo Kokkonen
Sulkava
Finland
 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: john@woram.com@mail.woram.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 14:03:16 -0500 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: John Woram Subject: Re: [MapHist] Proposed US legislation / Tufte on PowerPoint X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by WebHouse, Inc. http://www.webhse.com for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl >>I don't think that's entirely fair on Tufte Hey, where does it say anything about fair? Actually I greatly admire the man, have attended his seminar and bought (and even read) all three of his books. His point -- that the tools PowerPoint supplies to help its users produce visual information are just plain inadequate for the job -- is well-taken. But if people still persist in using it to do things it can't do, that's not the fault of the sofware. You mentioned that projected images often fall short of what can be done on the printed page. Right! But a projected image is not supposed to be a printed page, and vice versa. There are things that can be projected (or seen on a website) that have no counterpart in print. And again, vice versa. When a person who doesn't know the difference between print and pixels is handed PowerPoint, the results are guaranteed to be disastrous. That's why Tufte's books are so valuable as a "wake-up call" to people who create meaningless slides, just because they can. If such people could be persuaded to pay more attention to conveying information (as opposed to pretty pictures), maybe they'd realize that PowerPoint is indeed inadequate for many jobs. And better yet, maybe they'd stop using it anyway and find a better way. I wonder if David Byrne's "Envisioning Emotional Epistemological Information" is a parody on on Tufte's work "Envisioning Information." --- This E-mail was scanned for viruses by WebHouse, Inc. http://www.webhse.com _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: np003a5704@pop3.blueyonder.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 11:57:13 +0000 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Nick Pelling Subject: Re: [MapHist] Proposed US legislation / Tufte on PowerPoint X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jan 2004 11:57:36.0339 (UTC) FILETIME=[4696B230:01C3D44C] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Hi John, At 14:03 05/01/2004 -0500, John Woram wrote: >That's why Tufte's books are so valuable as a "wake-up call" to people who >create meaningless slides, just because they can. If such people could be >persuaded to pay more attention to conveying information (as opposed to >pretty pictures), maybe they'd realize that PowerPoint is indeed >inadequate for many jobs. According to a NYTimes article (December 14, 2003), NASA's Columbia Accident Investigation Board suggested that PowerPoint was a contributory factor:- http://www.raycomm.com/techwhirl/archives/0312/techwhirl-0312-00656.html "When NASA engineers assessed possible wing damage during the mission, they presented the findings in a confusing PowerPoint slide -- so crammed with nested bullet points and irregular short forms that it was nearly impossible to untangle." How bad was that slide? Here's Tufte's updated analysis (halfway down), taken from his book:- http://www.edwardtufte.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=0000qY&topic_id=1&topic= Deeper discussion is to be found here:- http://www.edwardtufte.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=0000Rs&topic_id=1 >I wonder if David Byrne's "Envisioning Emotional Epistemological >Information" is a parody on on Tufte's work "Envisioning Information." ...I'm fairly certain it is. :-) Cheers, .....Nick Pelling..... PS: a PowerPoint "remix" of Tufte's book: http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/000931 ...and Richard Feynman on PowerPoint (top entry): http://www.tesugen.com/2003/07/02.html _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: john@woram.com@mail.woram.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 09:15:21 -0500 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: John Woram Subject: Re: [MapHist] Proposed US legislation / Tufte on PowerPoint X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by WebHouse, Inc. http://www.webhse.com for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl >>NASA's Columbia Accident Investigation Board suggested that PowerPoint was a contributory factor ... NASA, the board argued, had become too reliant on presenting complex information via PowerPoint,... I think the contributory factor was *not* PowerPoint--it was the person who willfully misused it. In fact, if the presentation was "...so crammed with nested bullet points and irregular short forms that it was nearly impossible to untangle" then clearly the presenter is at fault. There's no shortage of reports on the amount of information (*meaningful* information) that can be projected on a screen, without regard to the projection mechanism. This information is not secret, and if a person chooses to ignore it, then that person should be held accountable for the lousy presentation. To bring this back to maps though, there's much that can be done to exploit the potential of image projection, and little of it can be done via PowerPoint. --- This E-mail was scanned for viruses by WebHouse, Inc. http://www.webhse.com _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: MKBabinski@aol.com Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 13:52:32 EST Subject: [MapHist] Looking for source of map To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6024 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Dear MapHisters:

Would anyone know where the map shown below comes from - what publication was it issued in? The sellers info that it was issued by the Treasury Dept. of the U.S. Government turned out to be just a guess (as admitted by seller). Title of map:

STATISTICAL MAP OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, dated 1864

This map is analyzed in detail in 2 pages of text with a full-page reproduction in Wheat, Transmississippi, No. 1110 - but apparently must be rare - because even Wheat does not provide the source publication.

http://cgi.aol.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2583456892

Thanks. Mark X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: garver@pop.fas.harvard.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 14:53:29 -0500 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Joseph Garver Subject: Re: [MapHist] Looking for source of map X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl According to the CIS US Serial Set Index, Statistical Map of the United States of America was issued in Senate Executive Document 55. It was published in 1864 by the U.S. Treasury Department during the 38th Congress, Session 1.

Joseph Garver
Harvard Map Collection

At 01:52 PM 1/6/2004 -0500, you wrote:
Dear MapHisters:

Would anyone know where the map shown below comes from - what publication was it issued in? The sellers info that it was issued by the Treasury Dept. of the U.S. Government turned out to be just a guess (as admitted by seller). Title of map:

STATISTICAL MAP OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, dated 1864

This map is analyzed in detail in 2 pages of text with a full-page reproduction in Wheat, Transmississippi, No. 1110 - but apparently must be rare - because even Wheat does not provide the source publication.

http://cgi.aol.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2583456892

Thanks. Mark
X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: MKBabinski@aol.com Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 14:59:43 EST Subject: Re: [MapHist] Looking for source of map To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6024 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl In a message dated 1/6/2004 12:55:25 PM Mountain Standard Time, garver@fas.harvard.edu writes:

was issued in Senate Executive Document 55. It was published in 1864 by the U.S. Treasury Department during the 38th Congress, Session 1.

Thanks. Mark
 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 15:36:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [MapHist] Looking for source of map From: To: Importance: Normal Cc: X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.7) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Dear Mark, Not a source but some additional info that might help. This map is listed in AMPR 2003. It was in catalogue 86 (spring 2002) of G. Robinson Old Prints and Maps (item 13, illustrated). Size is the same. Additional info "published by the US Treasury Dept.". Hope this may be of some small help. Don > Dear MapHisters: > > Would anyone know where the map shown below comes from - what publication was it > issued in? The sellers info that it was issued by the Treasury Dept. of the U.S. > Government turned out to be just a guess (as admitted by seller). Title of map: > > STATISTICAL MAP OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, dated 1864 > > This map is analyzed in detail in 2 pages of text with a full-page reproduction > in Wheat, Transmississippi, No. 1110 - but apparently must be rare - because even > Wheat does not provide the source publication. > > http://cgi.aol.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2583456892 > > Thanks. Mark _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: jsk@pop.gamewood.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 19:57:41 -0500 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Joel Kovarsky Subject: [MapHist] Tabula itineraria ex illustri Peutingerorum bibliotheca X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl I have a question about this 8 sheet map, published  (I think) in 1728 and 1738 by Marcus Wesler. As I understand it, these were included in Volume II of
Histoire des grands chemins de l'Empire romain . My question is, were these sheets ever published separately, at that time, outside that multi-volume publication? I know there have been 20th century reprints, but I am speaking of contemporary publication.

Thanks for any help.

               Joel Kovarsky

 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: jsk@pop.gamewood.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 20:00:35 -0500 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Joel Kovarsky Subject: Fwd: [MapHist] Tabula itineraria ex illustri Peutingerorum bibliotheca X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Oops. It should have been Marcus WELSER. And the link should not be there. Excuse the error.

      Joel Kovarsky

I have a question about this 8 sheet map, published  (I think) in 1728 and 1738 by Marcus Wesler. As I understand it, these were included in Volume II of
Histoire des grands chemins de l'Empire romain . My question is, were these sheets ever published separately, at that time, outside that multi-volume publication? I know there have been 20th century reprints, but I am speaking of contemporary publication.

Thanks for any help.

               Joel Kovarsky
 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Marcel van den Broecke" To: Subject: Re: [MapHist] Tabula itineraria ex illustri Peutingerorum bibliotheca Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 09:18:43 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-orteliusmaps.com-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl
The Peutinger tables first appeared as a separate publication in 1598 and were made by Abraham Ortelius after the original which is still in Vienna, but no longer readable. They were dedicated to Marcus Velser.
Bertius included offprints from Ortelius plates in his historical atlas (1618) and they were included  in Ortelius only separate Parergon published by Plantin-Moretus in 1624.
More details and a translation of Ortelius' text on the back of the four mapsheets (each including two maps) on www.orteliusmaps.com/book/ort227.html
Close copies of these sheets were made by Janssonius in 1654 (Peter van der Krogt New Atlantes I map 0940/1:1 and next three sheets). 
 
Marcel van den Broecke
 
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Oops. It should have been Marcus WELSER. And the link should not be there. Excuse the error.

      Joel Kovarsky

I have a question about this 8 sheet map, published  (I think) in 1728 and 1738 by Marcus Wesler. As I understand it, these were included in Volume II of
Histoire des grands chemins de l'Empire romain . My question is, were these sheets ever published separately, at that time, outside that multi-volume publication? I know there have been 20th century reprints, but I am speaking of contemporary publication.

Thanks for any help.

               Joel Kovarsky
 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: jsk@pop.gamewood.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 07:26:36 -0500 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Joel Kovarsky Subject: Re: [MapHist] Tabula itineraria ex illustri Peutingerorum bibliotheca X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl At 03:18 AM 1/7/2004, you wrote:
The Peutinger tables first appeared as a separate publication in 1598 and were made by Abraham Ortelius after the original which is still in Vienna, but no longer readable. They were dedicated to Marcus Velser.
Bertius included offprints from Ortelius plates in his historical atlas (1618) and they were included  in Ortelius only separate Parergon published by Plantin-Moretus in 1624.
More details and a translation of Ortelius' text on the back of the four mapsheets (each including two maps) on www.orteliusmaps.com/book/ort227.html
Close copies of these sheets were made by Janssonius in 1654 (Peter van der Krogt New Atlantes I map 0940/1:1 and next three sheets).
 
Marcel van den Broecke


Marcel- Thank you, but I think the wording of my question (my fault; too rushed) caused some confusion. I knew of Welser's link to his contemporary Ortelius, and that the map issues from 1728 and 1738 (after Welser's death), linked to Histoire des grands chemins de l'Empire romain (by Nicolas Bergier) were in a particular reduced 8 sheet format. What I wondered if there were independent releases of that early 18th century format, from Bergier's book, that were published outside the text itself. I should have been much more careful in my phrasing, but that link you provided has a lot of other useful information.

Here is an online explanation of that 8 sheet map from the German Union Catalogue (via the KVK; there are a couple of other online listings, all linked to Bergier's publication of those dates):


Tabvla Itineraria ex illustri Peutingerorum Bibliotheca Quae Augustae Vindelicorum Beneficio Marci Velseri Septem-viri-Augustani In Lucem edita. - [Ohne Maßstab]
1728. - 1 Kt. in 8 Teilen auf 8 Bl. : Kupferstich ; je Bl. 55 x 25 cm, Gesamtgr. 405 x 25 cm, gefaltet

EST:Tabula Peutingeriana
In: Histoire des grands Chemins de l'Empire Romain / par Nicolas Bergier . - Nouvelle ed., revue avec soin, et enriche des cartes et des figures . - Bruxelles. - Kartenbeilage zu Bd. 2, 1728


            Joel





 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-BrightmailFiltered: true User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 16:16:13 +0100 Subject: [MapHist] Coronelli's Libro dei Globi From: Marica Milanesi To: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Dear MapHisters, In the summer of 2003 I spent two months at the John Carter Brown (JCB) Library, Providence (RI), thanks to a Jeannette C. Black research fellowship. There I had the good fortune to make an unexpected discovery about that libraryšs copy of Coronellišs 'Libro dei Globi'. After some checking, with the help of friends and scholars like Rudolph Schmidt, Ed Dahl, Tony Campbell, and Piero Falchetta, I am sending this brief report in the hope that it will be of interest to Maphisters. In the copies of the 'Libro' at the British Library and in Bologna, the very large plates used for printing the 110 cm. terrestrial globe (1685-88) have been "masked" with a leaf of paper so that the printed image would fit a certain size of binding (see Rudolph Schmidt, ŗGlobusfreund,˛ 1995). The Providence copy, which bears the title 'Palestra Litteraria', contains the same half-gores, printed from the same copper plates; but the copper plates have been cut into two parts along the Tropics. I have found no mention of this peculiarity in any of the literature on the 'Libro dei Globi / Palestra Litteraria'. By checking the known copies of this work, I found out that all the volumes with the title 'Palestra Litteraria' are, in this particular detail, like the JCB copy; on the contrary, those bearing the titles 'Libro dei Globi' or 'Globi del P. Coronelli' are identical to the copies in London and Bologna. (I do not know yet about the Washington -- former New York -- 'Libro dei Globi'.) Helen Wallis, in her ŗBibliographical Note˛ in the facsimile edition of Coronellišs 'Libro dei globi, Venezia 1693 (1701)' (Amsterdam: Theatrum Orbis Terrarum, 1969), and Nicolangelo Scianna, in the 1999 facsimile edition titled 'Il Libro dei Globi di Vincenzo Coronelli' (Dolmas, [1999]) both state that there are two editions of Coronellišs work. I agree, but my reasons are different from theirs. Wallis, followed by Scianna, distinguishes between the first and second editions on the basis of the presence of the gores of the great concave celestial globe, and of the state (real or presumed) of the gores of the several other globes. She gives some weight to the change of the form of the title -- from 'Libro dei Globi' to 'Palestra Litteraria' -- but does not consider important the dates inscribed on the title pages of the different copies. In my opinion, and given Coronellišs editorial standards, the only unquestionable difference between the two editions lies in the fact that in the first edition, the 110 cm terrestrial globe half-gores are printed from masked plates, whereas in the second edition, they are printed from cut plates. Consequently, my list of copies belonging to first and second editions differs from those published by Wallis and Scianna. The cutting of the copper plates probably took place during the years 1704 (Gimma, 'Catalogo ... Coronelli') to 1707 ('Catalogo ... Coronelli' in 'Cronologia universale'). In my opinion, this is the most important step in the story of the' Libro dei Globi / Palestra Litteraria', and it could answer many questions about the editions of this rather elusive publication. As rules for the identification of a first or a second edition of the 'Libro dei Globi / Palestra Litteraria', I would suggest the following: FIRST EDITION Title: printed or handwritten, on a title page: 'Globi del P. Coronelli'; 'Libro deš Globi del P. Coronelli M.C.'; 'Globi del P. Coronelli';'Raccolta deš GLOBI del P [sic] Coronelli'; 'Globi Differenti Del P. Coronelli'. Years -- from 1698 to 1701. No text. Coronellišs portrait (when present) as ŗCosmografo della Serenissima.˛ Copper plates of the 110 cm. terrestrial globe gores masked with a paper sheet (platemarks on three sides; half-gores divided into two overlapping sections). I found these characteristics in the following copies: Rome (undated, lost); Library of Congress? (no information, apart from the title); Ottawa (1698); Leiden (1699); Bologna (1700); London (1701); and Vienna (1701). SECOND EDITION Title: printed title page with the title 'Palestra Litteraria Š Vettor Zane'; no title page, but the name 'Palestra Litteraria' in the address ŗA chi legge.˛ No year indicated. Text: dedication ("Illustrissimo, et Eccellentissimo signore: Non vi ha campione sė animosoŠ Gli Argonauti"); address ("A chi legge lšAccademia degli Argonauti"); certificates ("Diploma del Re Cristianissimo"; "Giudizio dellš Accademia Fisicomatematica"). Coronellišs portrait (when present) belonging to the series ŗNomenclatura Successorum / Triumphantis Ecclesiae Civis / Seraphici Patris Francisci / Minorum Patriarchae,˛ or any other with the mention of his office as ŗGenerale˛ or ŗGeneralis O.F.M.S.F.˛ Copper plates of the 110 cm. terrestrial globe gores cut in two along the Tropics (platemarks on four sides; half-gores divided in two juxtaposable sections). I found these characteristics in the following copies: Venice; Providence; Munich (copy on sale in May 2002, Hartung & Hartung); and Yale University. It is not my aim to do a catalogue of the existing copies of the Libro / Palestra. However, as I am currently preparing a book on Coronelli as a globe-maker and cosmographer, I would be interested to know whether anyone has observed variants to this pattern. I would also be grateful for comments and information on this matter from anyone acquainted with copies of the 'Libro / Palestra' or with loose gores of Coronellišs 110 cm terrestrial globe. Thank you. Marica Milanesi (Genova) _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: maphist15@mail.maphist.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 19:18:01 +0100 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl (by way of List-owner MapHist ) Subject: [MapHist] Tabula Peutingeriana X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS-perl11-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Non-member submission from ["Tom Elliott" ] Dear friends, Thanks to all who have contributed to this thread so far. I've been interested to learn about the early engravings and cartographic = derivatives of the so-called Tabula Peutingeriana. I'd like to venture an addition = to the conversation, and a correction to one side point if I may. The original map, thought to be perhaps a 12th century copy of a 4th or = 5th (?) century original, is indeed still in the National Library of Vienna (Codex Vindobonensis 324). It is not at all, however, unreadable. The = object is not on regular display, and is not to my understanding normally = available for study, because of its fragility and value. If you are interested in engravings, editions and other work related to = this map published from the mid 19th-century onwards, you will be interested = in Richard Talbert's piece on the Tabula Peutingeriana, to appear any day = now in: Richard Talbert and Kai Brodersen (eds.), Space in the Roman World: Its Perception and Presentation, Antike Kultur und Geschichte 5, LIT Verlag, M=FCnster, 2004, ISBN: 3-8258-7419-2. http://www.lit-verlag.de/isbn/3-8258-7419-2 Of potential further interest, ADEVA is in the process of bringing out a nearly actual-size photographic facsimile edition (in color) of the original, accompanied by a commentary and placename register prepared by Ekkehard Weber of the Institut f=FCr Alte Geschicte at Universit=E4t = Wien. IBSN: 3-201-01793-0.=20 http://www.adeva.com/englisch/buchseite_e.asp?id=3D623 Best wishes, Tom Tom Elliott, M.A. (tom_elliott@unc.edu) Director, Ancient World Mapping Center http://www.unc.edu/awmc CB#8110, 5010 Davis Library University of North Carolina Chapel Hill, NC 27599-8110 U.S.A. =20 _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: maphist15@mail.maphist.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 19:19:34 +0100 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl (by way of List-owner MapHist ) Subject: [MapHist] "Paul S. Seaver" X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS-perl11-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl (not distributed by the program because the message includes an illigal word) From: "Paul S. Seaver" Friends -- In the forthcoming February 1 issue of ANALYTICAL CHEMISTRY Dr. Kenneth M. Towe has a rejoinder -- "The Vinland Map Ink is NOT Medieval"-- to Dr. Jaqueline Olin's recent claim in the same journal that the ink used for the Vinland Map is demonstrably medieval. Dr. Towe is uniquely well qualified to address the issues involved. Those of you who are interested in the scientific details here, and who s*bscribe to the journal, will find his article already available on the Web at http://pubs.acs.org/cgi-bin/download.pl?ac0354488/U6xL Best regards, Kirsten A. Seaver -- _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Gowrie Galleries" To: Subject: Re: [MapHist] Coronelli's Libro dei Globi Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 08:15:49 +1100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Marica, I currently have examples of gores from both the original 110 cm plates as well as the more commonly found trimmed plate examples. As well I have examples from the Isolario where part of the gore is embedded in the text and I also have an example of the New Zealand section used in the rare Farnesi edition. In this case, the map is surrounded by a rococo style framework border and is on the same page as Isoletta del Sole. I have overlaid all four examples (detailed in my upcoming catalogue) and can unequivocally say that the same plate was used on all four versions. In one of the Isolario examples I have seen, part of the original nomenclature can be seen under the text of the new version. I will detail the maps more carefully for you, on my return to work on Monday. Regards Simon Dewez maps@sydney.net 316 Oxford Street Woollahra 2025 Australia Ph.- (61 2) 9387 4581 Fax - (61 2) 9389 0640 www.gowrie-galleries.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marica Milanesi" To: Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 2:16 AM Subject: [MapHist] Coronelli's Libro dei Globi > Dear MapHisters, > In the summer of 2003 I spent two months at the John Carter Brown (JCB) > Library, Providence (RI), thanks to a Jeannette C. Black research > fellowship. There I had the good fortune to make an unexpected discovery > about that libraryšs copy of Coronellišs 'Libro dei Globi'. After some > checking, with the help of friends and scholars like Rudolph Schmidt, Ed > Dahl, Tony Campbell, and Piero Falchetta, I am sending this brief report in > the hope that it will be of interest to Maphisters. > > In the copies of the 'Libro' at the British Library and in Bologna, the very > large plates used for printing the 110 cm. terrestrial globe (1685-88) have > been "masked" with a leaf of paper so that the printed image would fit a > certain size of binding (see Rudolph Schmidt, ŗGlobusfreund,˛ 1995). The > Providence copy, which bears the title 'Palestra Litteraria', contains the > same half-gores, printed from the same copper plates; but the copper plates > have been cut into two parts along the Tropics. I have found no mention of > this peculiarity in any of the literature on the 'Libro dei Globi / Palestra > Litteraria'. > > By checking the known copies of this work, I found out that all the volumes > with the title 'Palestra Litteraria' are, in this particular detail, like > the JCB copy; on the contrary, those bearing the titles 'Libro dei Globi' or > 'Globi del P. Coronelli' are identical to the copies in London and Bologna. > (I do not know yet about the Washington -- former New York -- 'Libro dei > Globi'.) > > Helen Wallis, in her ŗBibliographical Note˛ in the facsimile edition of > Coronellišs 'Libro dei globi, Venezia 1693 (1701)' (Amsterdam: Theatrum > Orbis Terrarum, 1969), and Nicolangelo Scianna, in the 1999 facsimile > edition titled 'Il Libro dei Globi di Vincenzo Coronelli' (Dolmas, [1999]) > both state that there are two editions of Coronellišs work. > > I agree, but my reasons are different from theirs. Wallis, followed by > Scianna, distinguishes between the first and second editions on the basis of > the presence of the gores of the great concave celestial globe, and of the > state (real or presumed) of the gores of the several other globes. She gives > some weight to the change of the form of the title -- from 'Libro dei Globi' > to 'Palestra Litteraria' -- but does not consider important the dates > inscribed on the title pages of the different copies. > > In my opinion, and given Coronellišs editorial standards, the only > unquestionable difference between the two editions lies in the fact that in > the first edition, the 110 cm terrestrial globe half-gores are printed from > masked plates, whereas in the second edition, they are printed from cut > plates. Consequently, my list of copies belonging to first and second > editions differs from those published by Wallis and Scianna. > > The cutting of the copper plates probably took place during the years 1704 > (Gimma, 'Catalogo ... Coronelli') to 1707 ('Catalogo ... Coronelli' in > 'Cronologia universale'). In my opinion, this is the most important step in > the story of the' Libro dei Globi / Palestra Litteraria', and it could > answer many questions about the editions of this rather elusive publication. > > As rules for the identification of a first or a second edition of the 'Libro > dei Globi / Palestra Litteraria', I would suggest the following: > > FIRST EDITION > Title: printed or handwritten, on a title page: 'Globi del P. Coronelli'; > 'Libro deš Globi del P. Coronelli M.C.'; 'Globi del P. Coronelli';'Raccolta > deš GLOBI del P [sic] Coronelli'; 'Globi Differenti Del P. Coronelli'. > Years -- from 1698 to 1701. > No text. > Coronellišs portrait (when present) as ŗCosmografo della Serenissima.˛ > Copper plates of the 110 cm. terrestrial globe gores masked with a paper > sheet (platemarks on three sides; half-gores divided into two overlapping > sections). > I found these characteristics in the following copies: Rome (undated, lost); > Library of Congress? (no information, apart from the title); Ottawa (1698); > Leiden (1699); Bologna (1700); London (1701); and Vienna (1701). > > SECOND EDITION > Title: printed title page with the title 'Palestra Litteraria S Vettor > Zane'; no title page, but the name 'Palestra Litteraria' in the address ŗA > chi legge.˛ > No year indicated. > Text: dedication ("Illustrissimo, et Eccellentissimo signore: Non vi ha > campione sė animosoS Gli Argonauti"); address ("A chi legge lšAccademia > degli Argonauti"); certificates ("Diploma del Re Cristianissimo"; "Giudizio > dellš Accademia Fisicomatematica"). > Coronellišs portrait (when present) belonging to the series ŗNomenclatura > Successorum / Triumphantis Ecclesiae Civis / Seraphici Patris Francisci / > Minorum Patriarchae,˛ or any other with the mention of his office as > ŗGenerale˛ or ŗGeneralis O.F.M.S.F.˛ > Copper plates of the 110 cm. terrestrial globe gores cut in two along the > Tropics (platemarks on four sides; half-gores divided in two juxtaposable > sections). > > I found these characteristics in the following copies: Venice; Providence; > Munich (copy on sale in May 2002, Hartung & Hartung); and Yale University. > > It is not my aim to do a catalogue of the existing copies of the Libro / > Palestra. However, as I am currently preparing a book on Coronelli as a > globe-maker and cosmographer, I would be interested to know whether anyone > has observed variants to this pattern. I would also be grateful for comments > and information on this matter from anyone acquainted with copies of the > 'Libro / Palestra' or with loose gores of Coronellišs 110 cm terrestrial > globe. > > Thank you. > Marica Milanesi (Genova) > > > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. 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List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 14:57:10 +0000 From: Anne Taylor Organization: CUL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en,af,sq,eu,bg,be,ca,zh,zh-CN,hr,cs,da,nl,nl-BE,en-GB,en-US,fo,fi,fr,fr-BE,gl,de,de-DE,el,hu,is,id,ga,it,ja,ko,mk,no,pl,pt,ro,ru,gd,sr,sk,sl,es,es-ES,sv,tr,uk To: lis-maps messages , Carto Soc messages , Map Hist messages Subject: [MapHist] Cambridge (UK) History of Cartography Seminar X-Cam-ScannerInfo: http://www.cam.ac.uk/cs/email/scanner/ X-Cam-AntiVirus: No virus found X-Cam-SpamDetails: Not scanned X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl **Apologies for cross-posting** CAMBRIDGE HISTORY OF CARTOGRAPHY SEMINAR Thursday, 15th January, 5.00 Camille Serchuk (Associate Professor in Art History, Southern Connecticut State University): 'MAPPING VIEWS/VIEWING MAPS IN LATE MEDIEVAL FRANCE' Venue: Chetwynd Room, King's College, Cambridge (Entrance on King's Parade, ask the Porter for directions) This promises to be a fascinating talk, and everyone is very welcome to come along. 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List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "tony campbell" To: "*MapHist" , "*Lismaps" Subject: [MapHist] Next talks in the 'Maps & Society' series Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 16:11:46 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl [Herewith details of the last five talks in this season's series. Posted to both MapHist and lismaps] ************************* 'MAPS AND SOCIETY' The Warburg Institute Thirteenth Series: 2003-2004 ************************* Lectures in the history of cartography convened by Catherine Delano Smith (Institute of Historical Research) and Tony Campbell (formerly Map Library, British Library). Meetings are held on selected Thursdays at the Warburg Institute, School of Advanced Study, University of London,Woburn Square, London WC1H OAB at 5.00 pm. Admission is free. Meetings are followed by refreshments. All are most welcome. Enquiries: +44 (0) 20 8346 5112 (Dr Delano Smith) or < t.campbell@ockendon.clara.co.uk >. 2004 January 22. Professor James Raven (Department of History, University of Essex) Mapping the London Book Trades: St Paul's Churchyard, Paternoster Row and Fleet Street in the Eighteenth Century. ------------------------------------------- Meeting sponsored by the Hakluyt Society: February 12. Professor Felipe Fernández-Armesto (Professorial Fellow, Department of History, Queen Mary, University of London) Maps and Exploration Revisited: Problems in European Cartography in the Sixteenth Century. ------------------------------------------- March 18. Christopher Fleet (National Library of Scotland, Edinburgh) Analysing Image Colour and Content to Infer Map Authorship: A Case Study of the Blaeu Atlas of Scotland and its Sources. April 22. Dr Stephanie Coane (Warburg Institute, University of London) Maps as Illustrations in Printed European Exploration Accounts in the Late Eighteenth Century. May 27. Dr Scott Westrem (City University of New York) Calculation, Delineation, Depiction, Inscription: the Practicalities of Medieval Mapmaking. -------------------------------------------------------------- This programme has been made possible through the generous sponsorship of The International Map Collectors' Society, Jonathan Potter of Jonathan Potter Ltd., and Laurence Worms of Ash Rare Books, and is supported by Imago Mundi. DISPLAYS for each lecture, at the Royal Geographical Society, are arranged by Francis Herbert, Hon FRGS. Note that the Society's Library and Map Room will be closed until Spring 2004, although both the Picture Library and Archives remain open by appointment. See - 'Collections'; 'Unlocking the Archives Project'. -------------------------------------------------------------- Please note that the web version of the programme is at a new URL < http://www.maphistory.info/warburgprog.html > [the 'Map History' site has moved]. That URL can be bookmarked, as it will always contain the current programme. For a comprehensive list of talks and meetings in the history of cartography, see John Docktor's 'Calendar' < http://home.earthlink.net/~docktor/index.htm > -------------------------------------------------------------- Tony Campbell _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 20:55:01 -0600 From: jan holzheimer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-WNS5.0 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] Coronelli's Libro dei Globi X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Marica I read your comments with great interest...especially your discovery that the plates had been cut. I have a complete set of the 110 cm. terrestial globe gores including the polar caps and 8 horizon circle plates printed 2 per sheet of the 2nd 1693 edition. I also have a set of the celestial gores from the 1693 Paris edition. All of the gores are unmasked and uncut. Each half gore goes from the pole to the equator measuring approx. 63 cm. in height. The main dedication to Cardinal Estrees appears on the half gore covering 240-270 degrees longitude east of Ferro in the Canaries and from the equator to the southern polar cap. This gore section is missing from the T.O.T. facsimile edition based on the original at the British Library. In my copy, the small plate with the coat of arms slipped when it went through the press--obscuring the angel's face. Interestingly, the Library of Congress copy lacks both the portrait and coat of arms, but, otherwise, bears the same dedication. I also have a separate copy of the Coronelli portrait lacking the vertical row of books in the lower right hand corner as is present on the T.O.T. facsimile. I look forward to hearing about further progress on your research. Art Holzheimer _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "tony campbell" To: "*MapHist" , "*Lismaps" Cc: "Ashley Baynton-Williams" Subject: [MapHist] Request for 'Chronicle' information for Imago Mundi Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 17:41:13 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl This is my annual request for information that might be relevant for the 'Chronicle' section in Imago Mundi: the International Journal for the History of Cartography. Please send me any information that you think *might* be of interest to an international audience. It should be news relating to the past twelve months [though I can store future details for use next year] and it should be of direct concern to the history of cartography. I should already have all news contained in MapHist and lismaps messages. We are looking for the following:- 1. Personal News - deaths, significant appointments, prizes & awards, research fellowships, and doctorates [see a cumulative listing of past doctorates, and for the style of the individual entries, at < http://www.maphistory.info/phd.html >] 2. Conferences & Meetings 3. Institutional & General News. You can see a sample from a previous year's volume, which will indicate the kinds of relevant material, at < http://www.maphistory.info/gennews53.html >. 4. Exhibitions [obviously I use John Docktor's listing < http://www.docktor.com/ > but there are always some exhibits that are never publicised] 5. Notable Acquisitions by institutions, "featuring only collections, manuscript material, and rare or bibliographically important printed atlases, maps, charts and globes". 6. Unusual items that have come up for sale. [This section is now being compiled by Ashley Baynton-Williams < ashley.bw@btinternet.com >]. 'Chronicle' is the official record of what has happened in our field over the previous year. Its completeness depends, to a considerable extent, on what is sent in. If you have any information that you think might be relevant, please send it to me, and I can decide if it is appropriate or not. To meet this year's deadline, I need information please as soon as possible. Thank you. ***************************************** Tony Campbell 76 Ockendon Road London N1 3NW UK t.campbell@ockendon.clara.co.uk Tel: 020 7359 6477 International: +44 20 7359 6477 ****************************************** 'Map History / History of Cartography: THE Gateway to the Subject' http://www.maphistory.info/ [NB. New address August 2003] _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "YVETTE COHEN" To: Subject: [MapHist] Request for 'Chronicle' information for Imago Mundi Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 22:55:55 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Tony -- :Perhaps you want to mention the BPMaps group as an item in category 3 Institutional and General News. The BPMaps e-mail discussion group was formed in October 2003 for the investigation of anthropomorphic maps. This is a quiet list that now has over 70 members. Information about the group can be found at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BPMaps Thanks, Israel "izzy" Cohen, BPMaps moderator israel_and_yvettec@012.net.il ----- Original Message ----- From: "tony campbell" To: "*MapHist" ; "*Lismaps" Cc: "Ashley Baynton-Williams" Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 7:41 PM Subject: [MapHist] Request for 'Chronicle' information for Imago Mundi > This is my annual request for information that might be relevant for the > 'Chronicle' section in Imago Mundi: the International Journal for the > History of Cartography. > > Please send me any information that you think *might* be of interest to an > international audience. It should be news relating to the past twelve > months [though I can store future details for use next year] and it should > be of direct concern to the history of cartography. I should already have > all news contained in MapHist and lismaps messages. > > We are looking for the following:- > > 1. Personal News - deaths, significant appointments, prizes & awards, > research fellowships, and doctorates [see a cumulative listing of past > doctorates, and for the style of the individual entries, at < > http://www.maphistory.info/phd.html >] > > 2. Conferences & Meetings > > 3. Institutional & General News. You can see a sample from a previous year's > volume, which will indicate the kinds of relevant material, at < > http://www.maphistory.info/gennews53.html >. > > 4. Exhibitions [obviously I use John Docktor's listing < > http://www.docktor.com/ > but there are always some exhibits that are never > publicised] > > 5. Notable Acquisitions by institutions, "featuring only collections, > manuscript material, and rare or bibliographically important printed > atlases, maps, charts and globes". > > 6. Unusual items that have come up for sale. [This section is now being > compiled by Ashley Baynton-Williams < ashley.bw@btinternet.com >]. > > 'Chronicle' is the official record of what has happened in our field over > the previous year. Its completeness depends, to a considerable extent, on > what is sent in. If you have any information that you think might be > relevant, please send it to me, and I can decide if it is appropriate or > not. > > To meet this year's deadline, I need information please as soon as possible. > > Thank you. > ***************************************** > Tony Campbell > 76 Ockendon Road > London N1 3NW > UK > > t.campbell@ockendon.clara.co.uk > > Tel: 020 7359 6477 International: +44 20 7359 6477 > ****************************************** > 'Map History / History of Cartography: THE Gateway to the Subject' > http://www.maphistory.info/ > [NB. New address August 2003] > > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.info _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "tony campbell" To: Subject: Re: [MapHist] Request for 'Chronicle' information for Imago Mundi Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 21:31:26 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Izzy Thanks very much for that prompt. Best wishes Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "YVETTE COHEN" To: Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 8:55 PM Subject: [MapHist] Request for 'Chronicle' information for Imago Mundi > Tony -- > > :Perhaps you want to mention the BPMaps group as an item in category 3 > Institutional and General News. > > The BPMaps e-mail discussion group was formed in October 2003 > for the investigation of anthropomorphic maps. This is a quiet list > that now has over 70 members. Information about the group can be > found at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BPMaps > > Thanks, > > Israel "izzy" Cohen, BPMaps moderator > israel_and_yvettec@012.net.il > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "tony campbell" > To: "*MapHist" ; "*Lismaps" > Cc: "Ashley Baynton-Williams" > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 7:41 PM > Subject: [MapHist] Request for 'Chronicle' information for Imago Mundi > > > > This is my annual request for information that might be relevant for the > > 'Chronicle' section in Imago Mundi: the International Journal for the > > History of Cartography. > > > > Please send me any information that you think *might* be of interest to an > > international audience. It should be news relating to the past twelve > > months [though I can store future details for use next year] and it should > > be of direct concern to the history of cartography. I should already have > > all news contained in MapHist and lismaps messages. > > > > We are looking for the following:- > > > > 1. Personal News - deaths, significant appointments, prizes & awards, > > research fellowships, and doctorates [see a cumulative listing of past > > doctorates, and for the style of the individual entries, at < > > http://www.maphistory.info/phd.html >] > > > > 2. Conferences & Meetings > > > > 3. Institutional & General News. You can see a sample from a previous > year's > > volume, which will indicate the kinds of relevant material, at < > > http://www.maphistory.info/gennews53.html >. > > > > 4. Exhibitions [obviously I use John Docktor's listing < > > http://www.docktor.com/ > but there are always some exhibits that are > never > > publicised] > > > > 5. Notable Acquisitions by institutions, "featuring only collections, > > manuscript material, and rare or bibliographically important printed > > atlases, maps, charts and globes". > > > > 6. Unusual items that have come up for sale. [This section is now being > > compiled by Ashley Baynton-Williams < ashley.bw@btinternet.com >]. > > > > 'Chronicle' is the official record of what has happened in our field over > > the previous year. Its completeness depends, to a considerable extent, on > > what is sent in. If you have any information that you think might be > > relevant, please send it to me, and I can decide if it is appropriate or > > not. > > > > To meet this year's deadline, I need information please as soon as > possible. > > > > Thank you. > > ***************************************** > > Tony Campbell > > 76 Ockendon Road > > London N1 3NW > > UK > > > > t.campbell@ockendon.clara.co.uk > > > > Tel: 020 7359 6477 International: +44 20 7359 6477 > > ****************************************** > > 'Map History / History of Cartography: THE Gateway to the Subject' > > http://www.maphistory.info/ > > [NB. New address August 2003] > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > > hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. > > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > > the views of the author. > > List Information: http://www.maphist.info > > > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.info > > _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 16:49:50 -0600 Subject: [MapHist] Research Coordinator, History of Cartography in the Twentieth Century. Department of Geography, Syracuse University From: David Woodward To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Times New RomanResearch Coordinator, History of Cartography in the Twentieth Century. Department of Geography, Syracuse University. Research coordinator in the Syracuse office will assist the Project Director (a faculty member in the Department of Geography) with research and editing for Volume Six of the History of Cartography. Volume Six, which addresses the twentieth century, is part of a multi-volume, encyclopedia-format reference work headquartered in Madison, WI, and published by the University of Chicago Press. When complete, Volume Six will consist of approximately one million words and one thousand illustrations bound as two books totaling 1,500 pages. (NOTE: The funds for this position may end after six months; even so, there is a good possibility that the funding will be extended.) For a position description and online application instructions for the Research Project Coordinator I (021002), go to http://www.sujobopps.com. Cover letter, resume and list of professional references must be attached. Review of applications begins immediately and the search will remain open until the position is filled. Syracuse University is an AA/EOE. X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Originating-IP: [64.228.70.182] X-Originating-Email: [earleymaps@hotmail.com] X-Sender: earleymaps@hotmail.com From: "John Earley" To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] Tallis Atlases Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:27:24 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jan 2004 14:27:24.0420 (UTC) FILETIME=[5CCB4440:01C3D9E1] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl I am familiar with Tallis' "The Illustrated Atlas" of 1851. Recently I came across an atlas copy (ie centre paper hinge) of "British America" which contains a vignette of Boston. The 1851 atlas version of this map has a vignette entitled Montreal. All other vignettes are the same. My question is what is the date and name the Tallis atlas in which the Boston vignette appears? John Earley, Pickering _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "C.Delano-Smith" To: "Maphist" Subject: [MapHist] Tabula Peutingeriana Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 18:10:08 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-Sender-Host-Address: 81.152.128.69 X-QM-Scan-Virus: clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl An addition to recent literature on the Peutinger map that would be easy for MapHisters to have overlooked (despite its being the very first entry in the Bibliography in Imago Mundi vol 55 (2003)) is Benet Salway's essay `Travel, *itineraria* and *tabellaria* in TRAVEL AND GEOGRAPHY IN THE ROMAN EMPIRE , eds Colin Adams and Ray Lawrence (London, Routledge, 2001), pp.22-66. I have heard Benet talk on the subject on several occasions (not least in the Maps and Society series) and each time found his argument well-grounded and eminently persuasive. It is great to have another contribution from the classisist. Perhaps, with Richard Talbert's forthcoming essay, the Peutinger map will get the long-overdue revisionary airing it fully merits from map historians. Catherine Catherine Dr Catherine Delano-Smith EDITOR IMAGO MUNDI The International Journal for the History of Cartography 285 Nether Street London N3 1PD U.K. Please see IMAGO MUNDI's homepage < http://www.maphistory.info/imago.html > (for journal content) or for subscriptions and > sales from Taylor & Francis (Routledge). _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. 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List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 20:50:05 -0800 Subject: [MapHist] Afghan 'war rugs' as cartifacts From: Penny L.Richards To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.543) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Thought this might interest maphisters: There was an article in Sunday's Los Angeles Times Magazine called "Weaving Havoc" (pp 18-19), illustrated by two war rugs now on display at the Baker Rug Gallery in Los Angeles--both rugs include as a major part of their design a map of Afghanistan. (One shows an outline map filled with tanks, helicopters, and lettering; the other shows Afghanistan broken into multicolored provinces, surrounded by weapons and aircraft.) The article mentions several rug shops and galleries in the Los Angeles area where similar rugs may be seen and/or purchased. I wish I could link the article here, but the latimes.com website restricts a lot of its content to paid subscribers. It may be available through university accounts, through something like ProQuest. Penny L. Richards PhD Research Scholar, UCLA Center for the Study of Women Co-editor, H-Education and H-Disability turley2@earthlink.net _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "tony campbell" To: "*Liber-GdC" , "*Lismaps" , "*MapHist" , "*Maps-L" Subject: [MapHist] J B Harley Research Fellowships announced Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:32:25 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl ANNOUNCING THE ELEVENTH SERIES OF J B HARLEY RESEARCH FELLOWSHIPS IN THE HISTORY OF CARTOGRAPHY The Trustees of the J B Harley Research Fellowships Trust Fund are pleased to announce the eleventh series of awards, offering support at the newly increased rate of Ŗ300 (sterling) per week. The fellowships are designed to assist research in the London map collections: Angelo Cattaneo (European University Institute, Florence, Italy) 'Mid-15th century Venetian cartography: a comparative study of a forgotten Ptolemy's Geography (Bib. Marciana MS. CL.VI, XXIV), the Harley Codex 3686 and the Venetian Portolani of the British Library' (3 weeks). Jessica Maier (Columbia University, Department of Art History, New York, U.S.A.) 'Imaging Rome: the art and science of Renaissance city views' (2 weeks). Professor Dr Sylvia Schraut (Universität Mannheim, Historisches Institut, Germany) 'Comparing historic school atlases 1870-1960 (Germany, Austria, Great Britain and U.S.A.)' (3 weeks). Professor Lindy Stiebel (University of KwaZulu-Natal, English Literary and Cultural Studies, South Africa) 'Thomas Baines, cartographer: mapping Australia (North Australian Expedition map 1856) and Africa (South African Gold Fields Exploration Company maps 1872)' (2 weeks). A record number of 21 applications was received this time. For details of past awards, numbers of applicants, and extracts from previous Fellows' reports, see < http://www.maphistory.info/harlflws.html > [part of the 'Map History' gateway site]. For information about applying for a Fellowship (closing date 1st November) please email or write (preferably saying where you saw this notice) to: Tony Campbell, Hon. Sec., Harley Fellowships, 76 Ockendon Road, London N1 3NW, UK < t.campbell@ockendon.clara.co.uk > _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:00:36 +0100 Subject: [MapHist] Tabula Peutingeriana From: Marica Milanesi To: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl There is also, but only for readers acquainted with the Italian language, a new book edited by Francesco Prontera, with contributions by Prontera himself and, among others, Patrick Gautier Dalché Their essays are very interesting and quite innovative. Prontera gives a deep analysis of the relations between geography and corography among the Ancients; and Gautier Dalché studies the Medieval tradition of the Tabula, revealing that in XVth century another copy, different from Peutinger's, was sent from Basel to Padua. The volume contains also a very good reproduction of the litographic copy made by Konrad Miller, in the respectable size of cm.29 x 480. This book is indeed a part - to quote Catherine Delano Smith - of the long-overdue revisionary airing Peutingeriana fully merits from map historians. Tabula Peutingeriana. Le antiche vie del mondo, a cura di Francesco Prontera, Leo S. Olschki Editore, Firenze, 2003 Marica Milanesi _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: F.Herbert@RGS.org To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: RE: [MapHist] Tabula Peutingeriana Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 16:22:54 -0000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl The 'Imago Mundi Bibliography' records any monograph, article, scholarly facsimile, CD-ROM in *any* language and/or script that is published up to 3 years prior to issue of the 'IM' volume. It matters not to me (and, presumably, a few other readers) in what language is the information: someone, somewhere, can get it translated if it looks promising! But items can be recorded in the 'Bibliography only when adequate information is supplied by the 'Imago Mundi' National Representatives or by authors personally and directly to me. As I have mentioned before, I am even willing to pay return postage - and to return off-prints/photocopies of articles - if anyone can trouble themselves to see that they reach me. Any 'lacunae', mis-balance, or inadequacies (other than misprints) in the 'IM Bibliography' are not of my making! This is not official RGS-IBG work, but carried out privately in my own time at home (as I'm sure you all know). Francis Herbert (Compiler since 1976 of 'Imago Mundi Bibliography'; Curator of Maps, RGS-IBG) f.herbert@rgs.org http://www.rgs.org [see 'Collections'/'Unlocking the Archives'] -----Original Message----- From: Marica Milanesi [mailto:marmil@unipv.it] Sent: 14 January 2004 16:01 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] Tabula Peutingeriana There is also, but only for readers acquainted with the Italian language, a new book edited by Francesco Prontera, with contributions by Prontera himself and, among others, Patrick Gautier Dalché Their essays are very interesting and quite innovative. Prontera gives a deep analysis of the relations between geography and corography among the Ancients; and Gautier Dalché studies the Medieval tradition of the Tabula, revealing that in XVth century another copy, different from Peutinger's, was sent from Basel to Padua. The volume contains also a very good reproduction of the litographic copy made by Konrad Miller, in the respectable size of cm.29 x 480. This book is indeed a part - to quote Catherine Delano Smith - of the long-overdue revisionary airing Peutingeriana fully merits from map historians. Tabula Peutingeriana. Le antiche vie del mondo, a cura di Francesco Prontera, Leo S. Olschki Editore, Firenze, 2003 Marica Milanesi _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "tony campbell" To: "*MapHist" , "*Liber-GdC" Subject: [MapHist] Doctoral research relating to non-current maps Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 18:22:45 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl List colleagues, Thank you to those who have already provided details for the next Imago Mundi 'Chronicle'. As part of that information-gathering process, I also ask the list's help in identifying those who have been awarded doctorates, for research that relates to non-current maps. I am already aware of the following names: Kenneth George Brealey Mark Kevin Burns Kathryn B. Campbell Ryan J. Carey Felicia M. Else Pierre Fournier Brice Gruet Donald J. Hopkins Bettina Krenn Tine Luk Meganck Valeria Pansini Yvonne Elizabeth Pelletier Neil F. Safier Isabelle Surun Can you suggest any others? If so, I would be grateful for their email address or alternatively - if you are the one involved - the information I seek is: * Your full names: * The university and department that made the award, and the city: * The date awarded: * The thesis title * The URL of any details and/or Abstract available on the web [e.g. UMI/ProQuest]: * Publication detail (if relevant): I will include in 'Chronicle' doctorates awarded in recent years. For a cumulative listing of awards since 1995, please see < http://www.maphistory.info/phd.html >. Finally, I have today put onto the 'Map History' website the listing of 'Doctorates *in progress* relating to the history of cartography' < http://www.maphistory.info/futurephd.html >. Now, and at any time, I would be grateful for additions. This page, along with the recently mounted 'College and university level courses in the history of cartography' < http://www.maphistory.info/courses.html > is intended as a contribution to a 'virtual' world, in which those engaged in teaching and research with non-current maps can be aware of each others' activities and, if they so wish, get in contact. ***************************************** Tony Campbell 76 Ockendon Road London N1 3NW UK t.campbell@ockendon.clara.co.uk Tel: 020 7359 6477 International: +44 20 7359 6477 ****************************************** 'Map History / History of Cartography: THE Gateway to the Subject' http://www.maphistory.info/ [NB. New address August 2003] _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist-digest@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 02:01:17 -0800 (PST) From: Paulo Afonso To: maphist-digest@geog.uu.nl Cc: lusonautica@yahoogroups.com, Subject: [MapHist] Guill. Postel 1581 World Map - Chasdia as Tierra del Fuego? X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Dear discussion-list members: Hello, With best wishes for 2004, I would like to ask if anyone has any idea about Guill. Postel, in his 1581 World Map, reason for calling Chasdia to Tierra del Fuego...? I have no idea about the origin of such designation - except that in botany one finds sometimes the chasdia name associated with Papilionaceae... Also this map has a specular symmetry...in the sense that the west coast of South America shows at east, and vice-versa...I do not understand the motivations to do so? Any useful inputs are welcome, Thank you. Paulo Afonso _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.3 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 11:16:20 +0100 From: "Theodor Bauer" To: Subject: [MapHist] 1:75000 reduction of Carta topografica degli Stati in terraferma di S.M. il re de Sardegna X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Dear all, does anyone have knowledge and bibliographical data of a 1:75 000 map series obviously reduced from the "Carta topografica degli Stati in terraferma di S.M. il re di Sardegna alla scala di 1. a 50.000 Opera del Corpo Reale dello Stati Maggiore ..." In our library there is a collage of some in no way bibliographically indicated sheets at 1:75000 covering the area of sheets 76,77 and 84 of the above map series, also being of very similar design (these informations having been deducted from: Barrera, Francesco: Il Piemonte nella cartografia degli Stati Sardi tra restaurazione e unitā d'Italia, 1989) With my best wishes for 2004 Theo Bauer _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Tom Woodfin" To: Cc: Subject: RE: [MapHist] Pre-WWII large scale maps avail for Pointe-du-Hoc, Normandy? Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 08:36:38 -0600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-COA-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-COA-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-COA-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.5, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_01 -5.40, IN_REP_TO -0.37, MSGID_GOOD_EXCHANGE -0.14) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl As part of a research project, a team of construction science, architecture and landscape architecture faculty are working towards a restoration of a D-Day site in Normandy, France. Our request is knowledge from the MapHist list about: Maps similar to the UK's ordinance survey maps that show the outline of buildings for the Pointe-du-Hoc project in Normandy. Of particular interest are early 20th century maps. The closest town is Saint Pierre du Mont. Here is the multimap link for further orientation: http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?X=-112500&Y=6310000&width=500&hei ght=300&client=public&gride=-115798&gridn=6299918&srec=0&coordsys=mercat or&addr1=&addr2=&addr3=&pc=&scale=100000&advanced=&lang=&multimap.x=312& multimap.y=156 Any suggestions of sources MapHisters might have will be welcome. Thomas M. Woodfin, ASLA Assoc. Professor of Landscape Architecture College of Architecture Texas A&M University College Station, TX 77843-3137 tel: 979-845-1079 fax: 979-862-1784 e: woodfin@tamu.edu Dr. Richard Burt Department of Construction Science Texas A&M University College Station TX, 77843-3137 979-845-0994 _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Pascal Pannetier" To: Subject: RE: [MapHist] Pre-WWII large scale maps avail for Pointe-du-Hoc, Normandy? Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 16:47:56 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl You can contact this organisation in France : IGN http://www.ign.fr/affiche_rubrique.asp?rbr_id=921&lng_id=FR http://www.ign.fr/affiche_rubrique.asp?rbr_id=1013&lng_id=FR e-mail perhaps = carthoteque@ign.fr Pascal Pannetier Magazine Route Nostalgie Association Auto Mobilier Collections routenostalgie@free.fr http://routenostalgie.free.fr http://automobi.free.fr http://oldmaps.free.fr http://memoireenroute.free.fr -----Message d'origine----- De : owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl [mailto:owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl]De la part de Tom Woodfin Envoyé : vendredi 16 janvier 2004 15:37 Ā : maphist@geog.uu.nl Cc : rburt@archone.tamu.edu Objet : RE: [MapHist] Pre-WWII large scale maps avail for Pointe-du-Hoc, Normandy? As part of a research project, a team of construction science, architecture and landscape architecture faculty are working towards a restoration of a D-Day site in Normandy, France. Our request is knowledge from the MapHist list about: Maps similar to the UK's ordinance survey maps that show the outline of buildings for the Pointe-du-Hoc project in Normandy. Of particular interest are early 20th century maps. The closest town is Saint Pierre du Mont. Here is the multimap link for further orientation: http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?X=-112500&Y=6310000&width=500&hei ght=300&client=public&gride=-115798&gridn=6299918&srec=0&coordsys=mercat or&addr1=&addr2=&addr3=&pc=&scale=100000&advanced=&lang=&multimap.x=312& multimap.y=156 Any suggestions of sources MapHisters might have will be welcome. Thomas M. Woodfin, ASLA Assoc. Professor of Landscape Architecture College of Architecture Texas A&M University College Station, TX 77843-3137 tel: 979-845-1079 fax: 979-862-1784 e: woodfin@tamu.edu Dr. Richard Burt Department of Construction Science Texas A&M University College Station TX, 77843-3137 979-845-0994 _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. 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List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: maphist15@mail.maphist.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 17:15:11 +0100 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: List-owner MapHist Subject: [MapHist] List-owners message X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS-perl11-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl If anybody knows the new e-mail addresses of: ppurman@minn.net cemar@mail.telepac.pt sjg4@POSTOFFICE.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU alemim@tin.it please inform him or her that (s)he is removed from the MapHist list because all messages were returned as undeliverable. Peter van der Krogt List-owner MapHist List-info: http://www.maphist.nl _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: F.Herbert@RGS.org To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: RE: [MapHist] List-owners message Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 16:45:58 -0000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Peter: The cemar@mail.telepac.pt is, I believe, one of those that Alfredo Pinheiro Marques uses/adds to his e-mails 'sign-off'. Am at a loss to explain the remainder. Francis (currently feeling like a 'remainder') f.herbert@rgs.org http://www.rgs.org [see 'Collections'/'Unlocking the Archives'] -----Original Message----- From: List-owner MapHist [mailto:list-owner@maphist.nl] Sent: 16 January 2004 16:15 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] List-owners message If anybody knows the new e-mail addresses of: ppurman@minn.net cemar@mail.telepac.pt sjg4@POSTOFFICE.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU alemim@tin.it please inform him or her that (s)he is removed from the MapHist list because all messages were returned as undeliverable. Peter van der Krogt List-owner MapHist List-info: http://www.maphist.nl _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Rodney Shirley" To: Subject: Re: [MapHist] Guill. Postel 1581 World Map - Chasdia as Tierra del Fuego? Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 22:17:29 -0000 Organization: UUNET X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl To Paulo Afonso et al I can't completely answer your query as to why Postel called Tierra del Fuego [and/or the southern continent] Chasdia. But I suggest you look further into two earlier works by Postel, his De Universitate Liber of 1553 and his De Cosmographia Disciplina of 1561 as these contain sections discussing some of his conceptual ideas. Presumably you've already had access to my own book called 'The Mapping of the World' (4th edition, 2001) where Postel's 1581 [1621] map is described under entry 144. There is also some updated information about Postel's map under this entry number in the Corrigenda and Addenda at the beginning. I certainly would be interested in the findings of your further researches. Rodney Shirley rws@dial.pipex.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paulo Afonso" To: Cc: ; Sent: 16 January 2004 10:01 Subject: [MapHist] Guill. Postel 1581 World Map - Chasdia as Tierra del Fuego? > Dear discussion-list members: > > > Hello, > > With best wishes for 2004, I would like to ask if anyone has any idea > about Guill. Postel, in his 1581 World Map, reason for calling Chasdia to > Tierra del Fuego...? > > I have no idea about the origin of such designation - except that in > botany one finds sometimes the chasdia name associated with > Papilionaceae... > > > Also this map has a specular symmetry...in the sense that the west coast > of South America shows at east, and vice-versa...I do not understand the > motivations to do so? > > Any useful inputs are welcome, > > Thank you. > > Paulo Afonso > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.info > _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 23:21:52 +0100 Subject: Re: [MapHist] 1:75000 reduction of Carta topografica degli Stati in terraferma di S.M. il re de Sardegna From: Posta Venezia To: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Dear Theo, I can Help you, but what exactly do you need. Vladimiro WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW Vladimiro Valerio Office: Dipartimento di Storia della Architettura Palazzo Badoer S. Polo 2468 30125 Venezia tel. 041 2571418 e-mail vladimir@iuav.it Home: Via R. Morghen, 88 80129 Napoli tel e fax 081 5568952 mobile 335 403807 WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW Il giorno 16-01-2004 11:16, Theodor Bauer, theodor.bauer@bsb-muenchen.de ha scritto: > Dear all, > > does anyone have knowledge and bibliographical data of a 1:75 000 map series > obviously reduced from the > "Carta topografica degli Stati in terraferma di S.M. il re di Sardegna alla > scala di 1. a 50.000 Opera del Corpo Reale dello Stati Maggiore ..." > > In our library there is a collage of some in no way bibliographically > indicated sheets at 1:75000 covering the area of sheets 76,77 and 84 of the > above map series, also being of very similar design (these informations having > been deducted from: Barrera, Francesco: Il Piemonte nella cartografia degli > Stati Sardi tra restaurazione e unitā d'Italia, 1989) > > With my best wishes for 2004 > > Theo Bauer > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.info > > _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "YVETTE COHEN" To: Cc: , , , Subject: Re: [MapHist] Guill. Postel 1581 World Map - Chasdia as Tierra del Fuego? Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 04:14:29 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl >> I would like to ask if anyone has any idea about c, in his 1581 World Map, reason for calling Chasdia to Tierra del Fuego...? I have no idea about the origin of such designation - except that in botany one finds sometimes the chasdia name associated with Papilionaceae... << Chasdia seems to be a Semitic equivalent for Fuego. Hebrew het-samekh-heh means "to seek shelter, take refuge (Fuego)". The phonetics are even closer if one gives the heh its ancient dalet+heh DH sound. BTW, giving the heh its DH sound makes YH+VH cognate with god/Gott/cath- + father/Vater/pater. As in Ju[d]-piter. I think the chasdia/Papilionaceae is analogous to "chaste; virgin". The papilon/butterfly has hymenopterous wings. Think hymen = membranus intactus or virgin. That means the butter in butterfly is cognate with (membranous) "petal" and with Hebrew BeTuLa = virgin (because she still has her petal). The butterfly looks like a flying petal. Now you know why we throw rose petals at the (virgin) bride... where bride is the metathesis of btr in butterfly. The folk etymology of Spanish mariposa = butterfly is (virgin) Mary pauses. Actually, mariposa is related to Greek morph(osis) because of its metamorphosis from a worm-like larva to a butterfly. >> Also this map has a specular symmetry...in the sense that the west coast of South America shows at east, and vice-versa...I do not understand the motivations to do so? -- Paulo Afonso << Semitic languages are written from right to left :-). According to the web, Postel was a Hebraist/Orientalist: Porträt-Galerie + PORTRAIT-ANTIQUARIAT KLAUS HILLE / BERLIN + - [ Translate this page ] Postel, Guillaume. geb. 28. Mai 1510 in Dolerie bei Barenton (Manche) gest. 6. Sept. 1581 in Paris Französischer Mathematiker, Hebraist u. Orientalist, 1539 Prof. in Paris, 1544–46 Jesuitennovize, nach 2 Jahren aus dem Orden ausgeschlossen, führte danach als Mystiker, Visionär und Astrologe ein unruhiges Wanderleben, lebte seit 1563 im Kloster St.Martin–des–Champs in Paris. Halbfigur in verziertem Oval, in Bibliothekszimmer, unten am Sockel astronomische Instrumente. www.portrait-hille.de/kap07/ bild.asp?catnr1=1757&seqnr=2400 - 9k - Cached - Similar pages Gedenktage 2006 Portugal Anton I. / Schmidberg | PORTRAIT ... - [ Translate this page ] Postel, Guill. (Wilhelm) xx Mathematiker, Orientalist, Prof. in Paris, Wien. Jesuit, nach 2 Jahren aus dem Orden ausgeschlossen. Mystiker, Vision?r, Astrolog. geb. 1510 | gest. 1581 425. Todestag am ... 2006 www.portrait-hille.de/gedenktag/gdk06po_schmi.asp - 40k - Cached - Similar pages [ More results from www.portrait-hille.de ] ciao, Israel "izzy" Cohen _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: vanderkr18@mail.vanderkrogt.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 18:30:59 +0100 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Peter van der Krogt Subject: [MapHist] Fwd: Lost maps X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS-perl11-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl This was on ex-libris >Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 09:24:46 -0800 (PST) >Sender: exlibris@library.berkeley.edu >From: "Everett Wilkie" >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Lost maps > >This message appeared yesterday on another list but might be of interest to >Exlibris members. --ECW > >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > >Last night a selection of maps were accidentally left in a taxi cab here in >New York City. Below are titles and links to images of each of them. > >Pierre Mortier. (Flag chart) Compas vande Winden. (Pavillons avec >L'Explication des Couleurs. &cc.) >http://www.oldprintshop.com/images/large/29425.jpg > >Jan Janson. (Compass and wind heads) Tabula Anemographica Seu Pyxis Nautica >Ventorum Nomina Sex Linguis Repraesentans. >http://www.oldprintshop.com/images/large/31954.jpg > >Gerard Mercator / Henry Hondius. (Arctic map). Septentrionalium Terrarum >descriptio. http://www.oldprintshop.com/images/large/3451.jpg > >Athanasius Kircher. (World map.) Tabula Geographico-Hydrographica Motus >Oceani Currentes, Abyssos, Montes Ignivomos. >http://www.oldprintshop.com/images/large/30280.jpg > >Also in the package was several small botanical prints and a folio sized >lithograph of the Civil War battle between the Monitor and Merrimack. > >These maps and prints were sold and to be shipped. With luck they will be >returned by the Cabbie today but I feel that I also should get the word out >quickly. > >Thank you, >Harry S. Newman >The Old Print Shop, Inc. >150 Lexington Avenue >New York NY 10016 >Tel: 212-683-3950 >Fax: 212-779-8040 >Website: YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY Dr Peter van der Krogt Map Historian, Explokart Research Program Faculty of Geo-sciences, University of Utrecht P.O. Box 80.115 3508 TC UTRECHT, The Netherlands e-mail: peter@vanderkrogt.net Homepage: MapHist: Genealogy: Elementymology: Columbus Monuments: YYYYYYYYYYYYYYY PER ANGUSTA AD AUGUSTA YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] antarctic circle Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 08:39:30 +1300 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: antarctic circle Thread-Index: AcPd+sqQfso4fOPWQbqXbGgpno/XHw== From: "John Robson" To: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl

Captain James Cook is often mentioned as being the first person

known to have crossed the Antarctic Circle (in  1773).

 

I know what the Circle is and where it is but can anyone please help

me with its history? Who and when was it designated as such? Was there

a meeting similar to the one that set up the prime meridian?

 

Many thanks

 

John Robson

Map Librarian

University of Waikato

Hamilton, New Zealand

 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 15:17:42 -0500 From: overlee User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: Re: [MapHist] antarctic circle X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out011.verizon.net from [141.154.149.3] at Sun, 18 Jan 2004 14:17:32 -0600 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl According the the Columbia Gazetteer of the World (1998), the Antarctic Circle "...marks the southernmost point at which the sun can be seen at the winter solstice (about June 22) and the northernmost point of the S polar regions at which the midnight sun is visible."  Martin Torodash

John Robson wrote:

Captain James Cook is often mentioned as being the first person

known to have crossed the Antarctic Circle (in  1773).

 

I know what the Circle is and where it is but can anyone please help

me with its history? Who and when was it designated as such? Was there

a meeting similar to the one that set up the prime meridian?

 

Many thanks

 

John Robson

Map Librarian

University of Waikato

Hamilton, New Zealand

 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 21:20:27 +0100 Subject: [MapHist] Postel From: Marica Milanesi To: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Guillaume Postel is an old passion of mine! May I suggest to Paulo Afonso the following readings? (just some titles from a very large bibliography) Bouwsma, William, Concordia mundi. The career and thought of Guillaume Postel (1510-1581), Harvard University Press 1957 Any book and article by Franįois Secret he can find. Secret ha studied all the facets of Postels thought, even the geographical ones. His last book is, I think, Franįois Secret Postel revisité. ‹ 1998, pp. 264, ill. 154 F Nouvelles recherches sur Guillaume Postel et son milieu. Premičre série. TEXTES ET TRAVAUX DE CHRYSOP‘IA Coédition ARCHČ - S.É.H.A. Marcel Destombes, Guillaume Postel cartographe, in AAVV, Guillaume Postel 1581-1981, Actes du Colloque International d'Avranches, Paris, Guy Trédaniel, 1985, pp. 361-371, with a bibliography on the 1578 map. Chasdia, or the Land of Chessed (God's mercy) was the name Postel gave from the beginning to Terra Australis Incognita (not only Terra del Fuoco but all the conjectural landmass around the South Pole and the Southern parts of America, Africa and Asia). Postel called also Africa Chamia (land of Cham), Asia was for him Semia (land of Sem) and of course Europe was Iapetia. America was Ophir or Atlantis. But his geography is a mix of the Bible, and Roman, "Chaldean" and Etruscan Antiquity, very long complicated to explain. If you are interested in other aspects of it, please let keep in touch at my e-mail addres Marica Milanesi _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Strebe@aol.com Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 16:56:21 EST Subject: [MapHist] Re: antarctic circle To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl
The polar circles have been known (in theory) from antiquity. Unlike the prime meridian, which is arbitrary and therefore required an international conference to standardize, it's a naturally occuring region: everywhere in which the sun does not rise at least halfway above the horizon on at least one day of the year. The polar circles are mentioned in Classical Greek writings and you can find them delineated on just about any world map from modern (>AD 1450) times.

Regards,
daan Strebe


Captain James Cook is often mentioned as being the first person
 known to have crossed the Antarctic Circle (in  1773).
  
 I know what the Circle is and where it is but can anyone please help
 me with its history? Who and when was it designated as such? Was there
 a meeting similar to the one that set up the prime meridian?
  
 Many thanks
  
 John Robson
 Map Librarian
 University of Waikato
 Hamilton, New Zealand


 X-McAfeeVS-TimeoutProtection: 0 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: MKBabinski@aol.com Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 20:28:19 EST Subject: [MapHist] probst To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6024 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Hi Michael,
Did you get copies of the atlas? If I recal I mailed them a few days after Christmas.
Mark X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: MKBabinski@aol.com Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 20:31:16 EST Subject: Re: [MapHist] probst To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6024 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sorry, instead of sending email to Michael I sent it inadvertantly to list.
Mark X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: jenterli@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 00:24:20 -0500 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: James Enterline Subject: Re: [MapHist] Vinland Map ink Cc: "Kenneth M. Towe" , Hu McCulloch , "Jonathan Dent" , jacqueolin1@aol.com, Garmanhb@aol.com, tacahill@ucdavis.edu, djd@physics.arizona.edu, evan_handingham@wgbh.org, Robin Clark , James Enterline X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl At 07:19 PM 01/07/04 +0100, Kirsten A. Seaver wrote: >In the forthcoming February 1 issue of ANALYTICAL CHEMISTRY Dr. >Kenneth M. Towe has a rejoinder -- "The Vinland Map Ink is NOT >Medieval"-- . . . available on the Web at >http://pubs.acs.org/cgi-bin/download.pl?ac0354488/U6xL While Ken makes some valid critiques of Jacqueline Olin's paper, his title is still a claim rather than an established fact. As Ken knows, I have proposed an alternative scenario to hers involving modern pigment transfer that would still allow the original Map to be genuine. In fact, Ken was instrumental in getting my original presentation about this into the same History of Cartography program as Jacque's in 1977 (Hi, Ken). I know that Ken follows a practice of not commenting publicly on unpublished materiel, but since 2002 my scenario is published in an appendix to my book _Erikson, Eskimos & Columbus_. Perhaps it is time to come to grips with it.* In a recent e-mail to a restricted discussion group, Ken stated the desirability of, " . . . one plausible, consistent story for how the Vinland Map ink was actually made. In fairness, . . . nobody has put any of these various theories into one internally consistent model that will explain all that is known about the ink of the VM." I submit that in fact, my specific scenario, involving incidental transfer from a tissue overlay while bleaching the map, satisfies these criteria far better than even McCrone's forgery hypothesis. It also answers fundamentally Ken's question why there is no iron in what should have been an iron-gall ink. The one change I would make in my published scenario is to adopt Jacque's hypothesis that the initial ink contained carbon blackener, as many iron-gall inks did, for initial visibility while applying. I find this far more plausible than any carbon re-tracing, medieval or modern. (The one anomalous registration between yellow and black could be sloughed-off black particles crushed into the substrate.) Might Jacque''s explanation of the separating out of the carbon be enhanced by the original absence of iron? I'll soon try an experiment. Ken repeatedly makes statements like, "... titanium as a major element concentrated in the ink and not distributed over the parchment," and, "... the anatase is indeed restricted to the ink." His apparent presumption is that there is no way this could be consistent with a transfer into the ink. Nevertheless, the experiment I reported in my scenario accomplished exactly that. If there were a spot here or there on the un-inked map that does contain some transfer clump, Brown and Clark could certainly have missed it in their severely restricted number of samples off the line. Indeed, Cahill says [VM & TR, 2nd ed. p. xxxvi] "We find titanium (probably anatase) in almost every sample taken in our clean area." Thanks, Maphisters and others, for your interest. Jim * In those days the established practice regarding the Vinland Map ink was not to publish, but rather to make private reports to Yale (which I did). Nevertheless, I also prepared a publishable paper and submitted it to Science. Of all possible unbiased peer reviewers they could have given it to, they gave it to McCrone. He perhaps unsurprisingly suppressed it. _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 00:14:52 -0500 From: Jeremy Pool User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] Eyeglasses in the South China Sea? X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Dear maphisters, I recently noticed an unusual cartographic feature ("The Eyeglasses" or "St. Anthony's String"?) in the South China Sea on several 18th century maps. This is depicted just northeast of the Paracel Islands, off the coast of present-day Vietnam, and does not correspond, as far as I can tell, to any actual islands in this location. I'm wondering if anybody knows what this feature depicts and what its source might be. From the symbols used, it's not even clear to me whether this is meant to represent small islands, reefs, rocks, or some more unusual feature. The feature is a set of six circles, in a roughly equilateral triangular arrangement, with lines connecting the two sides (but not the bottom) of the triangle. Two maps that show this feature are Carte des Costes de Cochinchine, Tuquin ... [http://www.maprecord.com/Lunette_Harreveldt.jpg] by Harreveldt & Changuion (1749) and Carte Hydro-Geo-Graphique des Indes Orientales en deįa et au dela du Gange avec leur Archipel [http://www.maprecord.com/Lunette_Bonne.jpg] by Bonne (1771). (Bonne's "Les Isles Philippines" also shows it.) As can be seen on the linked images, this feature is labelled "Les Lunettes, ou le Cordon de St. Antoine". The Harreveldt & Changuion map also gives the corresponding name in Dutch. When I looked for earlier maps to see when this feature first appeared, I mostly didn't find other examples. But then I saw it on a 1696 manuscript VOC chart by Joan Blaeu which Tom Suarez reproduces as fig. 138 in _Early Mapping of Southeast Asia_. I reproduce here [http://www.maprecord.com/Lunette_Blaeu.jpg] just the little section of that image that shows this mysterious feature. I also found it on another VOC manuscript chart, probably copied from the Blaeu chart, by Isaak de Graaf, and illustrated as fig. 3.32 in Goss's _The Mapmaker's Art_. I can't quite make out the labels from the reproductions in either of these two charts. I did a quick search through Dampier's account, since he was in this area in the 1690's, but found no mention of anything that would correspond to this. And a Google search yielded no clues. Does anybody have any ideas about this feature and its intriguing name? Jeremy Pool _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Fleet, Christopher" To: maphist@geog.uu.nl, lis-maps@JISCMAIL.AC.UK, DL-European National Libraries Subject: [MapHist] New website - Blaeu Atlas of Scotland, 1654 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 15:14:56 -0000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl [With apologies for cross-posting] On the 350th anniversary of the publication of Scotland's first atlas, Joan Blaeu's 'Atlas Novus', Volume V (1654), the National Library of Scotland is pleased to unveil its new website, an electronic facsimile of the Atlas. Although the Atlas of Scotland was published by Blaeu in Latin, Dutch, French, German and Spanish language editions, this presents the first translation into English of its entire textual contents. The texts contain detailed historical and topographical descriptions of Scotland and its regions, freshly translated by Ian Cunningham, and complemented by 49 engraved maps. - the entire content can be browsed and searched by a wide range of methods - high resolution, zoomable images can be viewed of every opening - detailed supporting information and biographies assist the interpretation of the content - the website complements earlier source mapping for the Atlas by Timothy Pont and Robert Gordon, already on the website The Blaeu Atlas of Scotland homepage can be found at: http://www.nls.uk/digitallibrary/map/early/blaeu/index.html The new website has been incorporated into our existing maps websites, including 3,700 high-resolution, zoomable images of maps of Scotland. Map website images: www.nls.uk/maps Christopher Fleet Map Library National Library of Scotland 33 Salisbury Place EDINBURGH, EH9 1SL. Scotland. Tel. 0131 466 3813 Fax. 0131 466 3812 E-mail: c.fleet@nls.uk Map website images: www.nls.uk/maps _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 15:45:26 -0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [MapHist] Eyeglasses in the South China Sea? From: Daniel@shapero.com To: maphist@geog.uu.nl User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.1 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Dear Jeremy, By some coincidence, I noticed the same feature some time ago on Thornton's 1703 Chart from the third Book of the English Pilot. Here it appears to be called 'de pruys Drochten'. I originally thought that it must be some reference to the north west of Macclesfield Bank, but the fact that Thornton's chart shows part of Macclesfield's 1701 discoveries far too far to the east makes this seem unlikely. A more satisfactory explanation may be that the feature depicted is what is now called the Amphitrite Group of the Paracels, and that the Paracels on Thornton's and others' charts are the Crescent Group of Atolls only? The shape and number of bits of dry land is certainly similar to the group of islands and shoals around Woody Island. As far as the name is concerned, I would like to think that the 'Eyeglasses' or 'St Anthony's String' refers to the shape of the group - vaguely reminiscent of a pair of spectacles or a string of prayer beads (although why Anthony's I leave to someone else...). By the way, this is not immediately evident from the two or three American maps that Google throws up for the region - try looking at a proper British Admiralty chart to see what I mean! Also, Dampier was around the area long enough to name a Shoal (6.01667, 115.48333). Does anyone know what 'de pruys Drochten' means? Regards, Daniel > Dear maphisters, > > I recently noticed an unusual cartographic feature ("The Eyeglasses" or > "St. Anthony's String"?) in the South China Sea on several 18th century > maps. This is depicted just northeast of the Paracel Islands, off the > coast of present-day Vietnam, and does not correspond, as far as I can > tell, to any actual islands in this location. I'm wondering if anybody > knows what this feature depicts and what its source might be. From the > symbols used, it's not even clear to me whether this is meant to > represent small islands, reefs, rocks, or some more unusual feature. > > The feature is a set of six circles, in a roughly equilateral triangular > arrangement, with lines connecting the two sides (but not the bottom) of > the triangle. Two maps that show this feature are Carte des Costes de > Cochinchine, Tuquin ... > [http://www.maprecord.com/Lunette_Harreveldt.jpg] by Harreveldt & > Changuion (1749) and Carte Hydro-Geo-Graphique des Indes Orientales en > deįa et au dela du Gange avec leur Archipel > [http://www.maprecord.com/Lunette_Bonne.jpg] by Bonne (1771). (Bonne's > "Les Isles Philippines" also shows it.) As can be seen on the linked > images, this feature is labelled "Les Lunettes, ou le Cordon de St. > Antoine". The Harreveldt & Changuion map also gives the corresponding > name in Dutch. > > When I looked for earlier maps to see when this feature first appeared, > I mostly didn't find other examples. But then I saw it on a 1696 > manuscript VOC chart by Joan Blaeu which Tom Suarez reproduces as fig. > 138 in _Early Mapping of Southeast Asia_. I reproduce here > [http://www.maprecord.com/Lunette_Blaeu.jpg] just the little section of > that image that shows this mysterious feature. I also found it on > another VOC manuscript chart, probably copied from the Blaeu chart, by > Isaak de Graaf, and illustrated as fig. 3.32 in Goss's _The Mapmaker's > Art_. I can't quite make out the labels from the reproductions in > either of these two charts. > > I did a quick search through Dampier's account, since he was in this > area in the 1690's, but found no mention of anything that would > correspond to this. And a Google search yielded no clues. Does anybody > have any ideas about this feature and its intriguing name? > > Jeremy Pool > > > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. 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List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 07:54:37 -0800 Subject: [MapHist] 2004 Visiting Scholars Pgm. at the Museum of the American West From: Penny L.Richards To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.543) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl From H-California--please note that the map collection is touted as a particular strength of this museum, so a fellow might easily be working on a history of cartography project. Penny Richards turley2@earthlink.net From: "STEPHEN ARON" Subject: Fellowship announcement Date: Tue, Jan 20, 2004, 2:59 PM 2004 Fellowships and Award Announcement VISITING SCHOLARS FELLOWSHIP The Institute for the Study of the American West at the Autry National Center will award several Visiting Scholars Fellowships in 2004 to individuals wishing to pursue research in the field of Western history. The Autry National Center is a multicultural history center that has emerged from the intersection of three important museum organizations: Southwest Museum of the American Indian , Museum of the American West (formerly the Autry Museum of Western Heritage), and Women of the West Museum. This year's Visiting Scholars Fellow will be in residence at the Museum of the American West (formerly the Autry Museum of Western Heritage). The Museum of the American West collects materials that document the history of the trans-Mississippi West to the present day.The collection is particularly strong in primary and secondary source materials concerning the invented West: pulp and popular fiction,Wild West Shows, rodeo, melodrama, motion pictures, television, radio, music and travel and tourism. Other strengths include the Fred Rosenstock and Western Map collections, which contain extensive materials on the history of the West from the mid-19th century on, as well as collections highlighting the material culture of the West. Please see our web pages at: www.museumoftheamericanwest.org/research and search our online image and library catalog at: www.autrymuseumcollections.org The competition is open to Ph.D. candidates, post-doctoral researchers and independent scholars. Stipends of varying amounts will be awarded based upon length of research stay requested (up to one month) and budget submitted. Fellows will be expected to be in residence weekdays and to complete their residence between June 1-December 31, 2004. A brief written report on research completed will be expected within two weeks of departure. Fellows might also be asked to give a paper at a staff seminar while in residence or write a brief article for a museum publication on research conducted. Applicants should describe their research project and clearly indicate the relevance of the Museum of the American West collections to the proposed research in their project descriptions. The application deadline is April 15, 2004; announcement of the award will be no later than May 15, 2004. Applications should include: 1) Cover letter (indicating mailing address, email address, daytime phone, title of proposal, preferred dates of research) 2) Three page, double-spaced, project description, 3) CV 4) Budget (including costs of round-trip airfare, lodging, and food) 5) Contact information for two references Send your application to: Marva Felchlin Associate Director, Institute for the Study of the American West at the Autry National Center Director, Autry Library Autry National Center 4700 Western Heritage Way, Los Angeles, CA 90027-1462. mfelchlin@autry-museum.org Stephen Aron Executive Director, Institute for the Study of the American West, Autry National Center Associate Professor, Department of History, UCLA e-mail: saron@autry-museum.org, saron@history.ucla.edu (p-Autry) 323 667-2000 x307; (p-UCLA) 310-825-2561 (f) 323-660-5721 _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: F.Herbert@RGS.org To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: RE: [MapHist] Tallis Atlases Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:40:51 -0000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl It is now a week since British and/or American 'MapHist' readers have *not* leapt forward with an answer! So here, too, is (not) one . . . With respect I have to comment that, just because a page or a leaf has a centre-fold, this does not automatically imply that said piece of paper (or vellum) derives from an atlas. Many of the 'Tallis' country map plates were used in other publications after use - for example - in an edition of 'Barclay's Dictionary' : that of 'British America' (with vignette of Montreal) appeared also in the multi-volume work 'The British Colonies; their history, extent, condition and resources' by R. Montgomery Martin (London ; New York : J. & F. Tallis [post-30.12.1850: J. Tallis & Co.], [1849-53]), Division 1 ([1849]). In our copy of the latter the 'British America' map's imprint is of J. & F. Tallis (London, Edinburgh, & Dublin). By the time of 'Tallis's illustrated atlas and modern history of the world . . . edited by R. Montgomery Martin' (London ; New York : John Tallis & Co., 1851) [letter-press t.p.], or 'The illustrated atlas and modern history of the world geographical, political, . . . edited by R. Montgomery Martin, Esq Author of the "History of the British Colonies," &c. &c.' (London : The London Printing and Publishing Company, [s.d.]), the Montreal vignette remains (with 'The London Printing and Publishing Company' imprint - but with fewer apples on the trees). Would this be a clue as to dating when the Boston vignette replaced that of Montreal? Francis Herbert f.herbert@rgs.org http://www.rgs.org [see 'Collections'/'Unlocking the Archives'] -----Original Message----- From: John Earley [mailto:earleymaps@hotmail.com] Sent: 13 January 2004 14:27 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] Tallis Atlases I am familiar with Tallis' "The Illustrated Atlas" of 1851. Recently I came across an atlas copy (ie centre paper hinge) of "British America" which contains a vignette of Boston. The 1851 atlas version of this map has a vignette entitled Montreal. All other vignettes are the same. My question is what is the date and name the Tallis atlas in which the Boston vignette appears? John Earley, Pickering _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn .com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:15:24 +0100 From: Erik Werps Subject: Re: [MapHist] Eyeglasses in the South China Sea? To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Dear Jeremy & Daniel, It seems to me that the name in Dutch (as mentioned by Daniel) is somewhat mangled. 'de pruys Drochten' could originate from (in modern Dutch): 'de Pruisische Gedrochten'. This means: 'the Prussian Monsters or Misfits'. (Speculative) regards, Erik Werps. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [MapHist] Eyeglasses in the South China Sea? > Dear Jeremy, > > By some coincidence, I noticed the same feature some time ago on > Thornton's 1703 Chart from the third Book of the English Pilot. Here it > appears to be called 'de pruys Drochten'. I originally thought that it > must be some reference to the north west of Macclesfield Bank, but the > fact that Thornton's chart shows part of Macclesfield's 1701 discoveries > far too far to the east makes this seem unlikely. A more satisfactory > explanation may be that the feature depicted is what is now called the > Amphitrite Group of the Paracels, and that the Paracels on Thornton's and > others' charts are the Crescent Group of Atolls only? The shape and number > of bits of dry land is certainly similar to the group of islands and > shoals around Woody Island. > > As far as the name is concerned, I would like to think that the > 'Eyeglasses' or 'St Anthony's String' refers to the shape of the group - > vaguely reminiscent of a pair of spectacles or a string of prayer beads > (although why Anthony's I leave to someone else...). By the way, this is > not immediately evident from the two or three American maps that Google > throws up for the region - try looking at a proper British Admiralty chart > to see what I mean! Also, Dampier was around the area long enough to name > a Shoal (6.01667, 115.48333). > > Does anyone know what 'de pruys Drochten' means? > > Regards, > > Daniel > > > Dear maphisters, > > > > I recently noticed an unusual cartographic feature ("The Eyeglasses" or > > "St. Anthony's String"?) in the South China Sea on several 18th century > > maps. This is depicted just northeast of the Paracel Islands, off the > > coast of present-day Vietnam, and does not correspond, as far as I can > > tell, to any actual islands in this location. I'm wondering if anybody > > knows what this feature depicts and what its source might be. From the > > symbols used, it's not even clear to me whether this is meant to > > represent small islands, reefs, rocks, or some more unusual feature. > > > > The feature is a set of six circles, in a roughly equilateral triangular > > arrangement, with lines connecting the two sides (but not the bottom) of > > the triangle. Two maps that show this feature are Carte des Costes de > > Cochinchine, Tuquin ... > > [http://www.maprecord.com/Lunette_Harreveldt.jpg] by Harreveldt & > > Changuion (1749) and Carte Hydro-Geo-Graphique des Indes Orientales en > > deįa et au dela du Gange avec leur Archipel > > [http://www.maprecord.com/Lunette_Bonne.jpg] by Bonne (1771). (Bonne's > > "Les Isles Philippines" also shows it.) As can be seen on the linked > > images, this feature is labelled "Les Lunettes, ou le Cordon de St. > > Antoine". The Harreveldt & Changuion map also gives the corresponding > > name in Dutch. > > > > When I looked for earlier maps to see when this feature first appeared, > > I mostly didn't find other examples. But then I saw it on a 1696 > > manuscript VOC chart by Joan Blaeu which Tom Suarez reproduces as fig. > > 138 in _Early Mapping of Southeast Asia_. I reproduce here > > [http://www.maprecord.com/Lunette_Blaeu.jpg] just the little section of > > that image that shows this mysterious feature. I also found it on > > another VOC manuscript chart, probably copied from the Blaeu chart, by > > Isaak de Graaf, and illustrated as fig. 3.32 in Goss's _The Mapmaker's > > Art_. I can't quite make out the labels from the reproductions in > > either of these two charts. > > > > I did a quick search through Dampier's account, since he was in this > > area in the 1690's, but found no mention of anything that would > > correspond to this. And a Google search yielded no clues. Does anybody > > have any ideas about this feature and its intriguing name? > > > > Jeremy Pool > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > > hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. > > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > > Utrecht. 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The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.info > > ================================================================ > Deze e-mail is door E-mail VirusScanner van Planet Internet gecontroleerd op virussen. > Op http://www.planet.nl/evs staat een verwijzing naar de actuele lijst waar op wordt gecontroleerd. _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 04:06:16 +0900 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Henny Savenije Subject: Re: [MapHist] Eyeglasses in the South China Sea? X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl At 02:15 22/01/2004, you wrote: >Dear Jeremy & Daniel, > >It seems to me that the name in Dutch (as mentioned by Daniel) is somewhat >mangled. >'de pruys Drochten' could originate from (in modern Dutch): 'de Pruisische >Gedrochten'. That seems like a very long shot to me, etymology goes back, not forward. I looked the word Drocht up in my Medieval Dutch dictionary, Drocht can mean speed, momentum, pace, or even ghostly appearances, moreover it could mean deceit Pruijs, Proijs, Prues in Mediaval Dutch means noble, prude, modest, demure, but also proud, superior, playful, frisky, All in all I would vote for frisky speed. (if there is a strong current) noble ghosts (if there is a lot of fog) any suggestions for the combination of prude, demure and ghostly appearances?? Prude Sirens maybe? >This means: 'the Prussian Monsters or Misfits'. Henny (Lee Hae Kang) ----------------------------- http://www.henny-savenije.pe.kr Portal to all my sites http://www.hendrick-hamel.henny-savenije.pe.kr (in English) Feel free to discover Korea with Hendrick Hamel (1653-1666) http://www.hendrick-hamel.henny-savenije.pe.kr/indexk2.htm In Korean http://www.hendrick-hamel.henny-savenije.pe.kr/Dutch In Dutch http://www.vos.henny-savenije.pe.kr Frits Vos Article about Witsen and Eibokken and his first Korean-Dutch dictionary http://www.cartography.henny-savenije.pe.kr (in English) Korea through Western Cartographic eyes http://www.hwasong.henny-savenije.pe.kr Hwasong the fortress in Suwon http://www.oldKorea.henny-savenije.pe.kr Old Korea in pictures http://www.british.henny-savenije.pe.kr A British encounter in Pusan (1797) http://www.genealogy.henny-savenije.pe.kr Genealogy http://www.henny-savenije.pe.kr/bboard Bulletin board for Korean studies _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Authentication-Warning: alpha1.csd.uwm.edu: bruf owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 13:12:18 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Fetter To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: Re: [MapHist] Eyeglasses in the South China Sea? X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Could the phrase not be related to droogte--shallows or sandbank? ************************** Bruce Fetter * History Department, UW-M * P.O. Box 413 * Milwaukee, WI 53201 * Telephone: (414) 229-5207* FAX: (414) 229-2435 * ************************** _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "YVETTE COHEN" To: Subject: Re: [MapHist] Eyeglasses in the South China Sea? Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 23:48:15 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl >> the name in Dutch (as mentioned by Daniel) is somewhat mangled. >> 'de pruys Drochten' could originate from (in modern Dutch): 'de Pruisische >> Gedrochten'. > All in all I would vote for frisky speed. (if there is a strong current) > -- Henny (Lee Hae Kang) The term may be transliterated Semitic. This is not so far-fetched. "The Jolly Roger" seems to be transliterated (not translated) from Arabic dejelei raja / Hebrew degelei ra3a = "flag of evil" [using 3 for the ancient aiyin with a velar G/K sound, as in 3aZa = Gaza]. [The ancient tzadi had an S, not a TS, sound.] Hebrew pey-resh-oo-tzadi PaRootS = open, open to the wind. Modern Hebrew peh-resh-aleph-oo-sof PaR'ooS = wild, savage (but was not attested in the Middle Ages). dalet-resh-khaf DeReKH = way, path; distance, journey dalet-resh-kuf-oh-nun DaRKoN = dragon was borrowed from Greek. So, wild/open way/journey is quite close to Henny's "vote". izzy _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "YVETTE COHEN" To: Subject: Re: [MapHist] Eyeglasses in the South China Sea? - correction Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 00:03:14 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl > Could the phrase not be related to droogte -- > shallows or sandbank? -- Bruce Fetter I think Bruce is right. Giving the shin its ancient dental D/T sound, Semitic shin-resh-tet-oh-nun [D]RaToN = sandbank. Hence, savage/dangerous sandbanks. Maybe some of those "here there be dragons" really were "here there be sandbanks". :-) izzy _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 17:22:17 -0500 From: Jeremy Pool User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: Re: [MapHist] Eyeglasses in the South China Sea? X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl That "droogte" might refer to shallows seems likely, given that the area is well known for treacherous reefs and banks. It is worth mentioning that the label ("de pruys Drochten") described by Daniel on the Thornton chart is, I am sure, the same as that on the Blaeu and De Graaf charts. My very uncertain guess at what was written on the Blaeu chart was "Depruijs Drooghte"; this is obviously the same phrase seen on the Thornton chart. -- Jeremy Bruce Fetter wrote: > Could the phrase not be related to droogte--shallows or sandbank? > > > _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 12:28:47 +0900 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Henny Savenije Subject: Re: [MapHist] Eyeglasses in the South China Sea? X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl At 07:22 22/01/2004, you wrote: >That "droogte" might refer to shallows seems likely, given that the area >is well known for treacherous reefs and banks. I disagree, in Hamel's journal and other daily registers, droogte would either refer to the weather, for sandbanks and the like, the word "ondiepten" or something similar was used. (undeep) The beach or the shore might be referred to as "droge" but definitely not droogte, >It is worth mentioning that the label ("de pruys Drochten") described by >Daniel on the Thornton chart is, I am sure, the same as that on the Blaeu >and De Graaf charts. My very uncertain guess at what was written on the >Blaeu chart was "Depruijs Drooghte"; this is obviously the same phrase >seen on the Thornton chart. > >-- Jeremy > >Bruce Fetter wrote: > >> Could the phrase not be related to droogte--shallows or sandbank? >> >> > > >_______________________________________________________________ >MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. >The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for >the views of the author. >List Information: http://www.maphist.info Henny (Lee Hae Kang) ----------------------------- http://www.henny-savenije.pe.kr Portal to all my sites http://www.hendrick-hamel.henny-savenije.pe.kr (in English) Feel free to discover Korea with Hendrick Hamel (1653-1666) http://www.hendrick-hamel.henny-savenije.pe.kr/indexk2.htm In Korean http://www.hendrick-hamel.henny-savenije.pe.kr/Dutch In Dutch http://www.vos.henny-savenije.pe.kr Frits Vos Article about Witsen and Eibokken and his first Korean-Dutch dictionary http://www.cartography.henny-savenije.pe.kr (in English) Korea through Western Cartographic eyes http://www.hwasong.henny-savenije.pe.kr Hwasong the fortress in Suwon http://www.oldKorea.henny-savenije.pe.kr Old Korea in pictures http://www.british.henny-savenije.pe.kr A British encounter in Pusan (1797) http://www.genealogy.henny-savenije.pe.kr Genealogy http://www.henny-savenije.pe.kr/bboard Bulletin board for Korean studies _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: maphist15@mail.maphist.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 16:51:35 +0100 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl (by way of List-owner MapHist ) Subject: RE: [MapHist] Eyeglasses in the South China Sea? X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS-perl11-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Non-member submission from ["Sjoerd de Meer" ] According to a manuscript atlas in the collection of the Maritiem Museum = in Rotterdam from around 1664/1665 ("Beschrijving van de Indische = Noort", "droogte" means indeed shallow.=20 Sjoerd de Meer, curatorMaritiem Museum Rotterdam Leuvehaven 1 3011 EA Rotterdam T 010-4029240 F 010-4137342 E s.demeer@maritiemmuseum.nl W www.maritiemmuseum.nl Collectie database: = www.maritiemdigitaal.nl=20 =20 =20 =20 -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl [mailto:owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl]Namens Henny Savenije Verzonden: donderdag 22 januari 2004 4:29 Aan: maphist@geog.uu.nl Onderwerp: Re: [MapHist] Eyeglasses in the South China Sea? At 07:22 22/01/2004, you wrote: >That "droogte" might refer to shallows seems likely, given that the = area=20 >is well known for treacherous reefs and banks. I disagree, in Hamel's journal and other daily registers, droogte would=20 either refer to the weather, for sandbanks and the like, the word=20 "ondiepten" or something similar was used. (undeep) The beach or the = shore=20 might be referred to as "droge" but definitely not droogte, >It is worth mentioning that the label ("de pruys Drochten") described = by=20 >Daniel on the Thornton chart is, I am sure, the same as that on the = Blaeu=20 >and De Graaf charts. My very uncertain guess at what was written on = the=20 >Blaeu chart was "Depruijs Drooghte"; this is obviously the same phrase=20 >seen on the Thornton chart. > >-- Jeremy > >Bruce Fetter wrote: > >> Could the phrase not be related to droogte--shallows or = sandbank? >> >> > > >_______________________________________________________________ >MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. >The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for >the views of the author. >List Information: http://www.maphist.info Henny (Lee Hae Kang) ----------------------------- http://www.henny-savenije.pe.kr Portal to all my sites http://www.hendrick-hamel.henny-savenije.pe.kr (in English) Feel free to = discover Korea with Hendrick Hamel (1653-1666) http://www.hendrick-hamel.henny-savenije.pe.kr/indexk2.htm In Korean http://www.hendrick-hamel.henny-savenije.pe.kr/Dutch In Dutch http://www.vos.henny-savenije.pe.kr Frits Vos Article about Witsen and=20 Eibokken and his first Korean-Dutch dictionary http://www.cartography.henny-savenije.pe.kr (in English) Korea through=20 Western Cartographic eyes http://www.hwasong.henny-savenije.pe.kr Hwasong the fortress in Suwon http://www.oldKorea.henny-savenije.pe.kr Old Korea in pictures http://www.british.henny-savenije.pe.kr A British encounter in Pusan = (1797) http://www.genealogy.henny-savenije.pe.kr Genealogy http://www.henny-savenije.pe.kr/bboard Bulletin board for Korean studies _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. 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 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 12:35:29 -0800 (PST) From: Jerry Jelinek Subject: [MapHist] steel engraved vs. lithographed To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl I collect 19th century town plans and I have recently become interested in trying to determine how these maps were printed. I have a complete set of SDUK town plans, a large number of Tallis town plans and I have recently started to collect the Colton town plans. I am unable to perceive any difference between the lines on the Colton plans and the SDUK or Tallis plans. According to Ristow, American Maps and Mapmakers, it is quite likely the that Colton plans were produced lithographically despite the common claim that these are steel plate engravings. The Tallis and SDUK plans are supposed to be steel engraved. There was a discussion along these lines here on Maphist back in 1997. All of my research indicates that there is an "obvious" difference between a engraved line (even on steel) and a lithographed line. Since I am unable to see this difference, even with magnification (10x) when I compare the SDUK, Tallis and Colton plans I was wondering if anybody can detail a more exact procedure to follow to determine if a map is steel engraved or lithographed? This is only briefly discussed in Manasek, Collecting Old Maps, where the use of a magnifier and oblique light is recommended. This does not show any difference to my eye. However, I also do not see any difference between the lines on these 19th century maps and earlier copperplate engraved maps where the "raised" line is supposed to be visible. I am also wondering if it is possible that the SDUK and Tallis maps might have been produced lithographically, even though this technique was not as commonly used in England at that time and all references categorically state that the SDUK and Tallis maps are steel engraved? Thanks, Jerry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "J.B. Post" To: Subject: [MapHist] Engraving & lithography Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 18:04:37 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl
   May I suggest a look at How to Identify Prints by Bamber Gascoigne (Thames & Hudson, 1986) for anyone needing help with various forms of image production.  Prints are not maps, but many techniques are common to both.  John Wolter once used the phrase "hailing distance" for the relationship.  The book may not be the end of the search, but it is a very good place to begin.
 
     J. B. Post
 
 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: maphist15@mail.maphist.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 10:12:15 +0100 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl (by way of List-owner MapHist ) Subject: [MapHist] who can solve the mystery of Fortin's Atlas Celeste Cc: h.j.bril@hccnet.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS-perl11-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Non-member submission from ["Henk Bril" ] Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 21:40:51 +0100 Who can solve the mystery of Fortin's Atlas C=E9leste ? =20 On the www I found two editions of the 1776 atlas of Jean Fortin. There = is a difference between these two atlases to be found on plate 10 concerning Poniatowski's Bull. The plate on the 1776 atlas of Giangi Caglieris differs a lot from my = own plate 10 from 1795, 'my' Bull has more stars and most of them have = Bayer's designation with the Latin alphabet. In the 1776 Atlas of the Laura Hall Library the Bull is not present at = all. This is what has to be expected, because the Bull was created in 1777. But if it was created in 1777, then how can it be drawn in an Atlas from 1776 ? On both 1776 atlases the 'Frederick's Glory' are not drawn (obvious: it = was created in 1787), on mine it is drawn (but without name) on plate 3. It seems that another edition of the Fortin Atlas was published = somewhere between 1777 and 1787 ! More on this on my website http://home.hccnet.nl/h.j.bril/index.html =20 All suggestions are welcome ! =20 Henk Bril =20 Peter van der Krogt List-owner MapHist List-info: http://www.maphist.nl _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: F.Herbert@RGS.org To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: RE: [MapHist] steel engraved vs. lithographed Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 09:50:30 -0000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Jerry Jelinke: Jerry Post's suggested book-reading is a good starting point. A map ('specific' term) is a print ('general' term). All I will add here is, that the SDUK steel-engraved plates became - through their changing of ownership and process of revision - lithographically transferred. It is probable that the ownership of the steel plates by the firm of Edward Stanford in 1856 was the beginning of lithographic issues. This fact does not exclude the possibility that Stanford may also have added his imprint to pulls from the original steel plates. One useful background reference (mentions, too, city plans):- The Maps of the Society for the Diffusion of Useful Knowledge : a publishing history / Mead T. Cain. - In 'Imago Mundi : the international journal for the history of cartography' (London, ISSN 0308-5694), 1994, 46, 151-167 : ill., maps. - ISBN 0-905776-19-4 Francis Herbert f.herbert@rgs.org http://www.rgs.org [see 'Collections'/'Unlocking the Archives'] -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Jelinek [mailto:gajelinek@yahoo.com] Sent: 25 January 2004 20:35 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] steel engraved vs. lithographed I collect 19th century town plans and I have recently become interested in trying to determine how these maps were printed. I have a complete set of SDUK town plans, a large number of Tallis town plans and I have recently started to collect the Colton town plans. I am unable to perceive any difference between the lines on the Colton plans and the SDUK or Tallis plans. According to Ristow, American Maps and Mapmakers, it is quite likely the that Colton plans were produced lithographically despite the common claim that these are steel plate engravings. The Tallis and SDUK plans are supposed to be steel engraved. There was a discussion along these lines here on Maphist back in 1997. All of my research indicates that there is an "obvious" difference between a engraved line (even on steel) and a lithographed line. Since I am unable to see this difference, even with magnification (10x) when I compare the SDUK, Tallis and Colton plans I was wondering if anybody can detail a more exact procedure to follow to determine if a map is steel engraved or lithographed? This is only briefly discussed in Manasek, Collecting Old Maps, where the use of a magnifier and oblique light is recommended. This does not show any difference to my eye. However, I also do not see any difference between the lines on these 19th century maps and earlier copperplate engraved maps where the "raised" line is supposed to be visible. I am also wondering if it is possible that the SDUK and Tallis maps might have been produced lithographically, even though this technique was not as commonly used in England at that time and all references categorically state that the SDUK and Tallis maps are steel engraved? Thanks, Jerry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Vladimiro Valerio Subject: Re: [MapHist] steel engraved vs. lithographed Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:49:49 +0100 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Dear Jerry, I have a copy of the 1844 edition of SDUK and I may ensure you that all the maps are printed from steel plates whose heavy "mark" is clearly visible around the printed border of the map. As rightly supposed by Francis, later owner may have been transferred engraved steel plates on lithographic stone (or zinc) trasforming the process of printing to a planigraphic one. Vladimiro WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW Vladimiro Valerio Office: Dipartimento di Storia della Architettura Palazzo Badoer - S. Polo 2554 30125 Venezia tel +39-0412571418 e-mail vladimir@iuav.it Home: Via R. Morghen, 88 80129 Napoli tel & fax +39-0815568952 mobile +39-335403807 WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW Il giorno 26/gen/04, alle 10:50, F.Herbert@RGS.org ha scritto: > Jerry Jelinke: > > Jerry Post's suggested book-reading is a good starting point. A map > ('specific' term) is a print ('general' term). > > All I will add here is, that the SDUK steel-engraved plates became - > through > their changing of ownership and process of revision - lithographically > transferred. It is probable that the ownership of the steel plates by > the > firm of Edward Stanford in 1856 was the beginning of lithographic > issues. > This fact does not exclude the possibility that Stanford may also have > added > his imprint to pulls from the original steel plates. One useful > background > reference (mentions, too, city plans):- > > The Maps of the Society for the Diffusion of Useful Knowledge : a > publishing > history / Mead T. Cain. - In 'Imago Mundi : the international journal > for > the history of cartography' (London, ISSN 0308-5694), 1994, 46, > 151-167 : > ill., maps. - ISBN 0-905776-19-4 > > Francis Herbert > f.herbert@rgs.org > http://www.rgs.org [see 'Collections'/'Unlocking the Archives'] > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerry Jelinek [mailto:gajelinek@yahoo.com] > Sent: 25 January 2004 20:35 > To: maphist@geog.uu.nl > Subject: [MapHist] steel engraved vs. lithographed > > I collect 19th century town plans and I have > recently become interested in trying to determine > how these maps were printed. I have a complete set > of SDUK town plans, a large number of Tallis town > plans and I have recently started to collect the > Colton town plans. I am unable to perceive any > difference between the lines on the Colton plans > and the SDUK or Tallis plans. > > According to Ristow, American Maps and Mapmakers, > it is quite likely the that Colton plans were > produced lithographically despite the common claim > that these are steel plate engravings. The Tallis > and SDUK plans are supposed to be steel engraved. > There was a discussion along these lines here on > Maphist back in 1997. > > All of my research indicates that there is an > "obvious" difference between a engraved line (even > on steel) and a lithographed line. Since I am unable > to see this difference, even with magnification (10x) > when I compare the SDUK, Tallis and Colton plans I > was wondering if anybody can detail a more exact > procedure to follow to determine if a map is steel > engraved or lithographed? This is only briefly > discussed in Manasek, Collecting Old Maps, where > the use of a magnifier and oblique light is > recommended. This does not show any difference to > my eye. However, I also do not see any difference > between the lines on these 19th century maps and > earlier copperplate engraved maps where the "raised" > line is supposed to be visible. > > I am also wondering if it is possible that the SDUK > and Tallis maps might have been produced > lithographically, even though this technique was not > as commonly used in England at that time and all > references categorically state that the SDUK and > Tallis maps are steel engraved? > > Thanks, > Jerry _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Gent van R.H." To: "'maphist@geog.uu.nl'" Subject: RE: [MapHist] who can solve the mystery of Fortin's Atlas Celeste Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 12:03:02 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl wrote: > Non-member submission from ["Henk Bril" ] > Who can solve the mystery of Fortin's Atlas Celeste ? > > On the www I found two editions of the 1776 atlas of Jean > Fortin. There is a difference between these two atlases to > be found on plate 10 concerning Poniatowski's Bull. > The plate on the 1776 atlas of Giangi Caglieris differs a > lot from my own plate 10 from 1795, 'my' Bull has more stars > and most of them have Bayer's designation with the Latin > alphabet. > In the 1776 Atlas of the Laura Hall Library the Bull is not > present at all. > This is what has to be expected, because the Bull was created > in 1777. But if it was created in 1777, then how can it be > drawn in an Atlas from 1776 ? > On both 1776 atlases the 'Frederick's Glory' are not drawn > (obvious: it was created in 1787), on mine it is drawn (but > without name) on plate 3. > It seems that another edition of the Fortin Atlas was published = > somewhere between 1777 and 1787 ! Hi, According to Lalande's astronomical bibliography (pp. 555-556), online at the ARIBIB website http://www.ari.uni-heidelberg.de/publikationen/lal/lal05/fulltext/gif.p0555. htm Poczobut's publication dates from 1777. His constellation was added to the copper plates of Fortin's Flamsteed atlas in 1778 which was first published in 1776. In the 1778 and later printings of the atlas the publisher evidently did not feel the need to update the title page. So, the Linda Hall Library copy of Fortin's Flamsteed atlas was printed before 1778, while Caglieri's copy was printed in that year or afterwards. ======================================================= * Robert H. van Gent * * E-mail: r.h.vangent@astro.uu.nl * * Homepage: http://www.phys.uu.nl/~vgent/homepage.htm * ======================================================= _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: F.Herbert@RGS.org To: maphist@geog.uu.nl, jerry@milkyway.gsfc.nasa.gov Subject: RE: [MapHist] New book on hollow Earth Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 15:08:31 -0000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl

Jerry - It may well beat "the flat earth" but it still rings hollow.

 

Francis

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Subject: [MapHist] New book on hollow Earth

 

   My sources inform me that Da Capo is planning Spring 2005 publication of David Standish's Hollow Earth.  This is supposed to be a thorough history of the idea from inception as a somewhat serious speculation through its use in fiction to the present time.  Hey, it beats the flat earth.

 

           JBP

 

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   My sources inform me that Da Capo is planning Spring 2005 publication of David Standish's Hollow Earth.  This is supposed to be a thorough history of the idea from inception as a somewhat serious speculation through its use in fiction to the present time.  Hey, it beats the flat earth.
 
           JBP
 
 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "van der heijden" To: Subject: [MapHist] Leo Belgicus Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 17:28:47 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl
to all Map-Histers
In view of the fact that my book on the Leo Belgicus is out of print, there will be a new edition. in which I will try to insert more locations. Therefore I shall highly appreciate if Map-Curators and Collectors would be kind enough to provide me with the following information about the maps of the Leo Belgicus in their possession{
1 - full title
2 - date
3 - shelf mark
many thanks in advance Henk van der Heijden
 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 18:22:45 -0800 (PST) From: Jerry Jelinek Subject: RE: [MapHist] steel engraved vs. lithographed To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Thanks to all for the responses to my query. I had a few points I wanted to make. --- F.Herbert@RGS.org wrote: > All I will add here is, that the SDUK steel-engraved > plates became - through > their changing of ownership and process of revision > - lithographically > transferred. It is probable that the ownership of > the steel plates by the > firm of Edward Stanford in 1856 was the beginning of > lithographic issues. > This fact does not exclude the possibility that > Stanford may also have added > his imprint to pulls from the original steel plates. > One useful background > reference (mentions, too, city plans):- > > The Maps of the Society for the Diffusion of Useful > Knowledge : a publishing > history / Mead T. Cain. - In 'Imago Mundi : the > international journal for > the history of cartography' (London, ISSN > 0308-5694), 1994, 46, 151-167 : > ill., maps. - ISBN 0-905776-19-4 This article is indeed a good reference and I am familar with it. An additional piece of information is described in Howgego, Printed maps of London 1553-1850, where mention is made that the SDUK London plan of 1843 was lithographed in the late 1840s for use by the sewer commission. Smith, Victorian Maps of the British Isles, also has a nice discussion on how lithographic transfers of portions of the SDUK maps were taken to produce new maps. Finally, Branch, Comparative Urban Design, is another good reference for the SDUK plans but his discussion of the steel engraving is entirely attributed to a dealer examination (see his reference 11). ---Vladimiro Valerio wrote >I have a copy of the 1844 edition of SDUK and I may >ensure you that all the maps are printed from steel >plates whose heavy "mark" is clearly >visible around the printed border of the map. It is my understanding that with steel engraved maps the plate mark moved quite a distance out from the edge of the image and it could easily be lost in trimming. So, while the presence of a plate mark is a good indication that a map was printed from a plate its absence does not necessarily imply that the image was lithographed. What I was really driving at with my question was what techniques could be used to examine the image itself to try to ascertain if the map was printed from a steel plate or lithographed? This seems particularly interesting for maps such as the SDUK or Colton maps which were probably printed by both techniques over their long lifetime. J.B. Post wrote: >May I suggest a look at How to Identify Prints by >Bamber Gascoigne. This is an excellent recommendation and I see that a paperback copy is due to be released here in the US in April 2004. I will have to pick up a copy since the hardback appears quite expensive through used-book dealers. If anybody has any further hints on how to differentiate steel vs. lithographed by examining the image itself I would interested to hear. I just cannot seem to see the "raised" lines within the image itself that would imply it was printed from a steel plate. Thanks, Jerry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Cook, Andrew" To: "'maphist@geog.uu.nl'" Subject: RE: [MapHist] steel engraved vs. lithographed Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 10:58:35 -0000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Coming late to this discussion because of gateway problems here, I can offer a few thoughts from dealing with the intaglio/planigraphic printing question with British Admiralty Chart production in the early C20th. So far I've identified four successive techniques for printing Admiralty Charts for sale: 1. 1820s-c1898: print intaglio from master copper plate, which was kept corrected by the engraver. In time this wore the fine detail off the plate, so ... 2. c1898-c1925: print intaglio from duplicate copper plate produced on demand electrolytically or photo-mechanically, only the master plate being kept corrected by the engraver. This was slow and expensive, even with copper recycling, and the images less clear than the original, so ... 3. c1912-c1925: print planigraphically from experimental (undocumented) transfer to zinc plate produced on demand, only the master copper plate being kept corrected by the engraver. Cheaper, but early images still less clear than the copper, so ... 4. 1926 onwards: print planigraphically from transfer to short-life zinc, the copper engraved specifically for transfer, both zinc and copper being kept corrected by engraver and draughtsman. This was the normal practice until the 1970s change to film originals. It is the experimental lithographic transfers which need care in differentiating from the very shallow 'engraving' of the mechanically duplicated coppers, and any evidence comes in useful. A chart which appears to increase in size (i.e. larger than the former copper plate), to incorporate additional plans or matter from extension slips, has to be the product of a transfer. The style of draughtsman work in alterations on zinc is usually different from that on copper, because of the receptivity of the substrate, despite both being worked in reverse (before the introduction of offset printing from zinc). All the diagnostic points so far mentioned can be useful in particular cases, but nothing replaces devoting time to examining as many examples as possible, in rapid succession, and literally 'getting a feel' for the finished surfaces of the different products. Steel engraving is usually less deep in the harder substrate than is copper engraving, and the resulting impressions less 'tactile' and demanding greater sensitivity in identification. (Note: Vladimiro Valerio is right to point out that plate marks from copper or steel can be trimmed off: on high-quality productions in other fields large wide-margin plates were used deliberately to allow trimming within the plate mark for show or binding. But lithographic stones can leave a 'stone-mark' superficially similar in appearance to metal plate-marks. Transfers to zinc usually don't. And remember the modern phenomenon of 'blinding' false plate-marks onto planigraphic facsimiles to give the impression they were printed intaglio.) HTH Andrew Cook ----------------------------------------------------------- Dr Andrew S Cook andrew.cook@bl.uk Map Archivist, India Office Records The British Library 96 Euston Road London NW1 2DB Telephone 020 7412 7828 United Kingdom Fax 020 7412 7641 ----------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Jelinek [mailto:gajelinek@yahoo.com] Sent: 25 January 2004 20:35 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] steel engraved vs. lithographed All of my research indicates that there is an "obvious" difference between a engraved line (even on steel) and a lithographed line. Since I am unable to see this difference, even with magnification (10x) when I compare the SDUK, Tallis and Colton plans I was wondering if anybody can detail a more exact procedure to follow to determine if a map is steel engraved or lithographed? This is only briefly discussed in Manasek, Collecting Old Maps, where the use of a magnifier and oblique light is recommended. This does not show any difference to my eye. However, I also do not see any difference between the lines on these 19th century maps and earlier copperplate engraved maps where the "raised" line is supposed to be visible. I am also wondering if it is possible that the SDUK and Tallis maps might have been produced lithographically, even though this technique was not as commonly used in England at that time and all references categorically state that the SDUK and Tallis maps are steel engraved? Thanks, Jerry ************************************************************************** Experience the British Library online at www.bl.uk Adopt a Book this season ! Help the British Library conserve the world's knowledge. www.bl.uk/adoptabook ************************************************************************* The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended for the addressee(s) only. 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List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: WJWarren@aol.com Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 20:04:40 EST Subject: [MapHist] Re: steel engraved vs. lithographed To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 139 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl An interesting example just surfaced at the Huntington Library. We have a map purported to be a de L'Isle map of North America from 1718 which was, of course, a copper engraving. The fact is that the area of this map was reduced from the original and the feel of the map was wrong. Also, the images were somewhat cruder and we discovered on examination that at least one place name had been smeared, that is, double offset printed on itself. Our surmise is that the ink from an engraved map was bled onto a lithographic stone and then some lines enhanced but in at least one instance the place name was lifted and shifted slightly during the process. Other place names around this one were sharp and clear. Another possible way of uncovering a lithograph vs an engraved print. Bill Warren 1109 Linda Glen Drive Pasadena, CA 91105 (626) 792-9152 fax (626) 568-4945 wjwarren@aol.com _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Boston Rare Maps" To: Subject: [MapHist] History of the SDUK Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 14:19:43 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl
Can anyone recommend a solid history of the SDUK, either in book or article form?
Also, are there any comprehensive bibliographies / references to maps published by the SDUK?
Many thanks.
Michael Buehler
Boston Rare Maps
96 Florian Street
Boston, MA 02130
617.983.0663
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 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: RE: [MapHist] History of the SDUK Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 09:24:37 +0100 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [MapHist] History of the SDUK Thread-Index: AcPl08XyNi7n9XOqQF2cWRB2fXsuBAAaR3Ng From: "Werner, J.W.H." To: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl
Dear Michael Buehler,
 
In 1982 my predecessor, the late drs. Albert H. Sijmons, in that period every now and then assisting Rudolf Muller International Booksellers in Amsterdam, made a 'Rapport inzake de atlas Maps of the Society for the Diffusion of Useful Knowledge. London, Charles Knight & Co., 1845-1846'. It was compiled for Rudolf Muller, as he had a copy of this publication for sale then. This example was finally bought by our library.
This 'Rapport' was never published as Albert Sijmons modestly did not think it was suitable for publication. However, it contains 29 full pages of typewriting, giving information about the SDUK, the SDUK maps, the special categories of maps (geographical maps, town plans, celestial maps etc.), a comparison of known examples in the Netherlands, a publication history of the atlas, a comment on Melville Branch's 'Comparative Urban Design', and finally 4 bibliographical appendices.
Perhaps unfortunately for you its all in Dutch. It really might deserve a translation into English in my opinion.
If you are interested or if you need more information, please do not hesitate to contact me.
 

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Van: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl [mailto:owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl]Namens Boston Rare Maps
Verzonden: woensdag 28 januari 2004 20:20
Aan: maphist@geog.uu.nl
Onderwerp: [MapHist] History of the SDUK

Can anyone recommend a solid history of the SDUK, either in book or article form?
Also, are there any comprehensive bibliographies / references to maps published by the SDUK?
Many thanks.
Michael Buehler
Boston Rare Maps
96 Florian Street
Boston, MA 02130
617.983.0663
info@bostonraremaps.com
www.bostonraremaps.com
 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Cook, Andrew" To: "'maphist@geog.uu.nl'" Subject: RE: [MapHist] History of the SDUK Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 10:39:21 -0000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl
At the risk of being accused of trying to bring another subject back to British Admiralty hydrography, may I suggest following lines of enquiry indicated by Alfred Friendly ('Beaufort of the Admiralty') and Nicholas Courtney ('Gale Force 10') , biographers of Sir Francis Beaufort who was Hydrographer to the Admiralty 1829-1855?  As a 'pro bono publico' sideline Beaufort operated as cartographic editor and compiler for SDUK for many years.  His correspondence, both official in UK Hydrographic Office archives and private in Huntington Library, should shed light on his SDUK work.  IIRC some years ago Mead Cain was working on SDUK maps and, I believe, planned a related exhibition at Columbia.  (Alice Hudson may perhaps have more to post on Mead Cain's work, from a New York perspective.)
And for Jan Werner: Yes, I think my reading Nederlands is sufficient; how, please, may I obtain a copy of the report you mentioned?
Andrew Cook
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Subject: [MapHist] History of the SDUK

Can anyone recommend a solid history of the SDUK, either in book or article form?
Also, are there any comprehensive bibliographies / references to maps published by the SDUK?
Many thanks.
Michael Buehler
Boston Rare Maps
96 Florian Street
Boston, MA 02130
617.983.0663
info@bostonraremaps.com
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The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] SDUK report Albert H. Sijmons Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 17:19:00 +0100 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: SDUK report Albert H. Sijmons Thread-Index: AcPmg5stJXRq+cpsRu2RkITEifl7qw== From: "Werner, J.W.H." To: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Dear SDUK-interested colleagues, Following my earlier message today and the resulting personal queries by some of you, we made three PDF-files of the 29 page report in typoscript by Albert H. Sijmons on the SDUK, especially the series of maps which the UBA acquired (see URL below). Although it is more than 20 years old by now, and written in Dutch, I hope that this report - one of these remarkable pieces of research work by the late Albert Sijmons - may yet contribute a little bit to the knowledge of this curious SDUK and its famous maps in steel engraving. Kind regards, Jan Werner Part1, 12 pp. 1666 kB Part2, 10 pp. 1276 kB Part3, 9 pp. 920 kB ------------------------------------------- >>> wijziging e-mailadres: mailto:J.W.H.Werner@uva.nl Drs. Jan W.H. Werner Conservator Kaarten & Atlassen, Kaartenzaal Universiteitsbibliotheek Amsterdam Singel 425, 1012 WP AMSTERDAM Postbus 19185, 1000 GD AMSTERDAM t: +31 20 5252354 f: +31 20 5252311 http://www.uba.uva.nl/bijzondere_collecties ------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Originating-IP: [204.213.37.217] X-Original-From: "Philip Hoehn" Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 17:56:50 GMT To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: Re: [MapHist] Request for 'Chronicle' information for Imago Mundi X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 From: Philip Hoehn X-ContentStamp: 8:4:1991660936 X-MAIL-INFO:0340a421f44055157d15253d41154511955d7d347419b9d9c0a0e025bdd9d98479bd04a13dd53df9013d8175 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Hi Tony: Here is some info on the Rumsey Collection you may wish to include. Best wishes, Phil Philip Hoehn - Contractor David Rumsey Collection, San Francisco philhoehn@juno.com www.davidrumsey.com ------------------------------------ This is my annual request for information that might be relevant for the 'Chronicle' section in Imago Mundi: the International Journal for the History of Cartography. 3. Institutional & General News. You can see a sample from a previous year's volume, which will indicate the kinds of relevant material, at < http://www.maphistory.info/gennews53.html >. 811 new images added to the online collection. Japanese Historic Map site as a sister site. Added Washington, DC GIS section. Added San Francisco 3D GIS. 4. Exhibitions [obviously I use John Docktor's listing < http://www.docktor.com/ > but there are always some exhibits that are never publicised] "Mapping America" at the San Francisco International Airport, providing a look at America's evolution through a selection of eighteenth, nineteenth and twentieth-century maps. Three QuickTime VR views document the library space of the David Rumsey Map Collection. As you pan through the views, hot links on maps and globes open new windows with high resolution images. Requires: QuickTime player. Y Reproductions from the collection are available through ArtSelect. Over 130 maps are available in various sizes as unframed fine art prints or with custom mats and framing. _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: F.Herbert@RGS.org To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] SDUK maps: history of the Marocco map Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 18:20:40 -0000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl

Should anyone be contemplating the study of one particular SDUK map - such as has been done, in a sense, with that of London (see Howgego's and Hyde's carto-bibliographies of 1978 & 1975 respectively) - namely that of 'North Africa or Barbary, I: Marocco' (1 April 1836 etc.), then he or she will not fail to pursue a MS item in our Archives.  That is, when we re-open in June.  There one will find a 6-page MS 'Strictures upon a Map of North Africa or Barbary, I. Marocco, published in 1836 Under the superintendence of the Society for the Diffusion of Useful Knowledge.' composed by the Swede (resident in Florence) Jacob Gråberg af Hemsö, one of our Foreign Corresponding Members.  This research source might just be overlooked as I incidentally draw attention to it (on p.278) in an unusual source -  

Jacob Gråberg af Hemsö, the Royal Geographical Society, the Foreign Office, and Italian portolan charts for the British Museum / F. Herbert (p.[269]-314) in:  Accurata descriptio : studier i kartografi, numismatik, orientalistik och biblioteksväsen tillägnade Ulla Ehrensvärd = Accurata descriptio : papers in cartography, numismatics, oriental studies and librarianship presented to Ulla Ehrensvärd / [redaktionskommité : Göran Bäärnhielm, Folke Sandgren, Anders Burius]. - Stockholm : Kungliga Biblioteket, 2003. - (Acta Bibliothecae regiae Stockholmiensis, ISSN 0065-1060 ; 69). - ISBN 91-7000-222-3      

Francis Herbert (Curator of Maps, RGS-IBG - and occasional scribbler)

f.herbert@rgs.org

http://www.rgs.org [see 'Collections'/'Unlocking the Archives']

 

Van: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl [mailto:owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl]Namens Boston Rare Maps
Verzonden: woensdag 28 januari 2004 20:20
Aan: maphist@geog.uu.nl
Onderwerp: [MapHist] History of the SDUK

Can anyone recommend a solid history of the SDUK, either in book or article form?

Also, are there any comprehensive bibliographies / references to maps published by the SDUK?

Many thanks.

Michael Buehler
Boston Rare Maps
96 Florian Street
Boston, MA 02130
617.983.0663
info@bostonraremaps.com
www.bostonraremaps.com

 

 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "tony campbell" To: Subject: Re: [MapHist] Request for 'Chronicle' information for Imago Mundi Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 20:17:26 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Phil, Thanks very much for the information. It has come at the 11th hour! Best wishes Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Hoehn" To: Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [MapHist] Request for 'Chronicle' information for Imago Mundi > > Hi Tony: > Here is some info on the Rumsey Collection you may wish to include. > Best wishes, > Phil > > Philip Hoehn - Contractor > David Rumsey Collection, San Francisco > philhoehn@juno.com > www.davidrumsey.com > > ------------------------------------ > > This is my annual request for information that might be relevant for the > 'Chronicle' section in Imago Mundi: the International Journal for the > History of Cartography. > > 3. Institutional & General News. You can see a sample from a previous year's > volume, which will indicate the kinds of relevant material, at < > http://www.maphistory.info/gennews53.html >. > > 811 new images added to the online collection. > > Japanese Historic Map site as a sister site. > > Added Washington, DC GIS section. > > Added San Francisco 3D GIS. > > > 4. Exhibitions [obviously I use John Docktor's listing < > http://www.docktor.com/ > but there are always some exhibits that are never > publicised] > > "Mapping America" at the San Francisco International Airport, providing a look at America's evolution through a selection of eighteenth, nineteenth and twentieth-century maps. > > Three QuickTime VR views document the library space of the David Rumsey Map Collection. As you pan through the views, hot links on maps and globes open new windows with high resolution images. Requires: QuickTime player. > Y > Reproductions from the collection are available through ArtSelect. Over 130 maps are available in various sizes as unframed fine art prints or with custom mats and framing. > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.info > > _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-McAfeeVS-TimeoutProtection: 0 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: philaprint@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 16:49:48 -0500 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: The Philadelphia Print Shop Subject: [MapHist] Special web section on separately issued maps X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Because of the acquisition of two large collections of separately issued maps, we have just put up a special section on our web site on separately issued maps. The collections range from some significant American maps to regional maps of regions of political turmoil in the 19th century. The main sections are: 18th century saddlebag maps "Mail Coach Era" road maps 19th century folding travel maps Wall maps Working marine charts Linen backed, political maps The URL for this section is: www.philaprintshop.com/separateissue.html The Philadelphia Print Shop, Ltd. 8441 Germantown Avenue Philadelphia, PA 19118 (215) 242-4750 (215) 242-6977 [fax] philaprint@philaprintshop.com www.philaprintshop.com _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 17:37:40 -0800 (PST) From: Jay Lester Subject: [MapHist] Map Society meeting in Athens, GA, March 13 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Hello MapHisters, The next meeting of the William P. Cumming Map Society will be Saturday, March 13, at 2pm in the Hargrett Rare Book and Manuscript Library on the campus of the University of Georgia in Athens. Dr. Louis DeVorsey, the foremost expert on historical geography of the Southeast, will be the speaker for our program entitled, "An Afternoon with William Gerard De Brahm and Hargrett Library Treasures." Dinner arrangements for Saturday evening are pending a final "head count," but Athens lodging information can be found at www.visitathensga.com . The Holiday Inn is only a 5 minute walk to the Hargrett Library. For those coming from North Carolina, lodging is also available in Commerce, GA, on I-85 about 22 miles from campus ( http://hotel-guides.us/georgia/commerce-ga-hotels.html ). Please let me know by February 14 whether or not you plan to attend the meeting, and whether or not you will be joining us for dinner. I hope to see you in Athens on March 13. Dr. DeVorsey's talks are always superbly edifying and the Hargrett Library has many wonderful cartographic gems. Don't hesitate to ask if you have any questions. *** If you plan to attend, or if you have questions, reply to jay@cummingmapsociety.org . Regards, Jay L ===== Jay Lester Chapel Hill, NC mapsguy@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 16:56:00 -0900 From: Dee Longenbaugh Subject: Re: [MapHist] Map Society meeting in Athens, GA, March 13 X-Sender: deelong@mail.gci.net To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl As always, Jay, you make my mouth water. With the weather here right now, I'm especially tempted. However, I have to tend to business. Thanks so much for the notice. Best, Dee At 5:37 PM -0800 1/30/04, Jay Lester wrote: >Hello MapHisters, > >The next meeting of the William P. Cumming Map Society will >be Saturday, March 13, at 2pm in the Hargrett Rare Book and Manuscript >Library on the campus of the University of Georgia in Athens. >Dr. Louis DeVorsey, the foremost expert on historical geography of the >Southeast, will be the speaker for our program entitled, "An Afternoon >with William Gerard De Brahm and Hargrett Library Treasures." > >Dinner arrangements for Saturday evening are pending a >final "head count," but Athens lodging information can be found at >www.visitathensga.com . The Holiday Inn is only a 5 minute walk to the >Hargrett Library. For those coming from North Carolina, lodging is also >available in Commerce, GA, on I-85 about 22 miles from campus >( http://hotel-guides.us/georgia/commerce-ga-hotels.html ). > >Please let me know by February 14 whether or not you plan >to attend the meeting, and whether or not you will be joining us for >dinner. > >I hope to see you in Athens on March 13. Dr. DeVorsey's talks are >always superbly edifying and the Hargrett Library has many wonderful >cartographic gems. Don't hesitate to ask if you have any questions. > >*** If you plan to attend, or if you have questions, reply to >jay@cummingmapsociety.org . > >Regards, >Jay L > >===== >Jay Lester >Chapel Hill, NC >mapsguy@yahoo.com > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! >http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ >_______________________________________________________________ >MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. >The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for >the views of the author. >List Information: http://www.maphist.info -- The Observatory, ABAA 200 North Franklin Street Juneau, Alaska 99801 907/586-9676 fax 907/586-9606 deelong@alaska.com http://www.observatorybooks.com Since 1977 _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info