course on cataloging and metaloging in Barcelona

X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Ashley Baynton-Williams" To: "Maphist" Subject: [MapHist] MapForum Issue 3 Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 11:15:52 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl

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X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: maphist15@mail.maphist.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 18:25:28 +0100 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl (by way of List-owner MapHist ) Subject: [MapHist] Cambridge History of Cartography Seminar X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS-perl11-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Non-member submission from ["Wesselow Dr T.P.C. De" ] Please add the following notice to your list. Thank you. Cambridge History of Cartography Seminar Department of History of Art, Cambridge University, 1 Scroope Terrace. Seminar room 2 5.00 p.m. 2004. November 15 =20 Timothy Hyman (artist and independent scholar) Painting and cosmography: artists who map the world. 2005 January 31 Alfred Hiatt (University of Leeds) Ptolemy=92s Terra Incognita:= =20 knowledge and history in fifteenth-century cartography. March 14=09 Dan Terkla (Illinois Wesleyan University) Purpose determines placement: the Hereford map as teaching tool. Dominic Harbour (Hereford Cathedral) The Hereford Mappamundi and the 21st-century pilgrim. May 9 Lucy Donkin (British School at Rome) Mapping in mosaic: geographical= =20 imagery in the medieval ecclesiastical floor mosaics of northern Italy. May 23=09 Marcia Kupfer (John Hopkins University) Maps and bodies. All welcome. For any enquiries, please e-mail Tom de Wesselow at: tpcd2@cam.ac.uk _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: cobb@pop.fas.harvard.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 13:26:34 -0500 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: David Cobb Subject: [MapHist] Fwd: [Waml] Univ. of Hawaii Library Govt Docs and Maps Dept X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl > > >A huge flood on Saturday night severely damaged the Map Collection and >Government Documents at the University of Hawaii Library. We will keep >you posted on the condition. In the meantime, if you are planning to >discard any items, please hold on to them until we can make a better >assessment of our needs. > >The entire ground floor of the Library was deluged with rushing water, >rising up to almost 7 feet. Other parts of the ground floor included >Acquisitions Dept, Serials, Cataloging, the computer room, and the >Library School. > > >Mabel Suzuki > > >Mabel K. Suzuki >Government Documents and Maps Dept. >University of Hawaii at Manoa Library >2550 McCarthy Mall >Honolulu, HI 96822 >(808)956-2551 Fax(808)956-5968 >Email: mabel@hawaii.edu > *************************************************************************** David A. Cobb Tel. 617.495.2417 Harvard Map Collection FAX 617.496.0440 Harvard College Library Email: cobb@fas.harvard.edu Cambridge, MA 02138 HTTP://hcl.harvard.edu/maps ************************** VERITAS **************************************** _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.UU.NL Delivered-To: maphist@geog.UU.NL Subject: [MapHist] antiquarian map exhibition in Manhattan To: maps-l@listserv.uga.edu, maphist@geog.UU.NL X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.4 June 8, 2000 From: ahudson@nypl.org Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 17:01:24 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on MHTMAIL02/MHT/Nypl(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 11/01/2004 05:01:25 PM X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl DOCUMENTING DISTANT LANDS Maps of New Netherland, New Amsterdam and New England from the Walsh Library, Fordham University October 5 thru November 26, 2004 10 - 8 p.m. Monday - Saturday Center Gallery, Fordham University at Lincoln Center 113 W. 60, New York, NY 10023 The maps in this exhibition have been selected from the Library's collection of rare maps that describe New England, New Netherland and New Amsterdam. The are generous gifts of Bert Twaalthoven, a Fordham graduate of 1953 and his wife Maria, who graduated from Marymount in 1954. These beautifully graphic charts, printed on copper plates and hand colored, span a century from 1556-1664 when the English gained control of the territory and renamed it New York. Land masses and oceans are described and identified with inserted images of Native Americans, records of flora and fauna and vignettes of seventeenth century life in the harbor and city of New Amsterdam. The maps will be on permanent display in the Walsh Library Reference room on the Rose Hill Campus, Fordham University, following this exhibition at the Lincoln Center Campus. Alice C. Hudson Chief, Map Division The Humanities and Social Sciences Library The New York Public Library 5th Avenue & 42nd Street, Room 117 New York, NY 10018-2788 ahudson@nypl.org; 212-930-0589; fax 212-930-0027 http://nypl.org/research/chss/map/map.html The true meaning of life is to plant trees, under whose shade you do not expect to sit. - Nelson Henderson _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Montaner, Carme" To: "'maphist@geog.uu.nl'" Subject: [MapHist] course on cataloging and metaloging in Barcelona Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 10:53:07 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl course on cataloging and metaloging in Barcelona

The Cartographic Institut of Catalonia in collaboration with the
Consortium of Catalan University Libraries organises a course on
"Electronic Cartographic Materials: Cataloging and Metaloging". The
course will be teach by Mary Larsgaard (Map and Imagery Laboratory,
Davidson Library, University of California at Santa Barbara). The course
will be from 15th to 19th November 2004 at the Cartografic Institut of
Catalonia in Barcelona (Spain). For more information please contact Ms
Cristina Serra: cserra@icc.es

Carme Montaner
Institut Cartogràfic de Catalunya
Cap de la Unitat de la Cartoteca de Catalunya
Parc de Montjuïc 08038 Barcelona
93 567 15 00
http://www.icc.es

X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: jsk@pop.gamewood.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 07:34:13 -0500 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Joel Kovarsky Subject: [MapHist] metaloging X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Being curious about the term used in the recent course announcement, I tracked down a couple of links to to facilitate at least a partial understanding: I recognize some of these may have been modified by more recent definitional refinements. Joel Kovarsky _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Jens Bornholt" To: Subject: [MapHist] digitally develop maps Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 15:34:37 -0600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl

can anybody give me information if there is any software available which can be used to develop or draw maps using either photographs or printed plans??

Jens P.Bornholt, Guatemala.

Jens:

Perhaps you could also enquire of a slightly more relevant discussion list - e.g. 'MAPS-L' [ = 'Maps and Air Photo Systems Forum'] based with Johnnie Sutherland, University of Georgia in Athens?

Francis

f.herbert@rgs.org

http://www.rgs.org [see 'Collections' - including some online catalogues]

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From: Jens Bornholt [mailto:borncafe@terra.com.gt]
Sent: 05 November 2004 21:35
To: maphist@geog.uu.nl
Subject: [MapHist] digitally develop maps

can anybody give me information if there is any software available which can be used to develop or draw maps using either photographs or printed plans??

Jens P.Bornholt, Guatemala.

X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 14:23:57 +0100 From: piero falchetta User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, sq, be, bg, tr, it To: MapHist Newsgroup Subject: [MapHist] GeoWeb X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl The new version of GeoWeb - the website of the Marciana National Library for old maps and graphics - has been released.
- new "skin"
- interactive map for geographic research
- articles and news
- paths for registered users
- etc.

VISIT IT AT THE FOLLOWING ADDRESS

http://geoweb.venezia.sbn.it/geoweb/GWindex.html

--
Piero Falchetta, responsabile
Ufficio Carte Geografiche della Biblioteca Nazionale Marciana
Piazzetta S. Marco 7
30124 Venezia (Italy)
tel +39-041-2407211 (operator)
tel +39-041-2407224 (direct)
fax +39-041-5238803

X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 05:33:40 -0800 Subject: [MapHist] Mapping the Transmissippi by Carl Wheat Vol 1 Grabhorn Press From: "James C. Jeffery III" To: , X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl I would like to purchase the following book in VG+ or better condition. Mapping the Transmissippi by Carl Wheat Vol 1 Grabhorn Press Please contact me via email or Jim Jeffery PO Box 961 Los Gatos, CA 95031 (408) 377-6222 _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 05:40:21 -0800 Subject: [MapHist] Research request From: "James C. Jeffery III" To: , X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Could someone pass on a picture of Map 38 Puerto de Monterey as shown on a map of California (depicted as a island) by Joan Vinckeboons, a Dutch mapmaker, about 1650 The complete map is shown on page 45 (Map 63) Historical Atlas of the North Pacific Ocean by Derek Hayes Please contact me via email or Jim Jeffery PO Box 961 Los Gatos, CA 95031 (408) 377-6222 _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 08:13:42 -0800 From: "Duane F. Marble" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] University of Hawaii disaster X-Spam-Rating: mail.oregonfast.net 0/1/N X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl This morning I received the following message from Donna Peuquet -- a colleague at Penn State: There's a link to pictures of the disaster below. I've been talking to our maps librarian. Seems this is the big news in university library circles these days. They're providing advice, given the flood our library had a few years ago. The comment from our maps librarian was - usually flooding is from a burst pipe or rainwater seeping into the basement. The disaster at Hawaii is practically unprecedented. http://www2.hawaii.edu/~smurata/flood/ -- Dr. Duane F. Marble Email: marble.1@osu.edu 2226 Primrose Lane Telephone: (541) 902-8837 Florence, OR 97439 Cell: (541) 991-1730 _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Ironport-AV: i="3.86,132,1096862400"; d="scan'208"; a="546339553:sNHT52767516" From: "W. Scott Smith" To: Subject: [MapHist] Thomas Hutchins, U.S. Continental Army Geographer, ca. 1781 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 12:38:53 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcTGgvr8EVITXlTWSnCmVRlAXINuTQ== X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Hello, I am doing some personal research on the Continental Army Geographers Department during the American Revolutionary War. George Washington appointed Robert Erskine to be his Geographer (Simeon DeWitt later replaced Erskine). In 1781, Thomas Hutchins was appointed as the Southern Department Geographer under General Greene. I am seeking information on this Southern Dept. operation, including the makeup of Hutchins' staff and whether or not he was present at Yorktown in October of 1781 (I have seen references to him being there, but have no primary documentation of that). ___________________________________________ W. Scott Breckinridge Smith Historical Research & Consulting Post Office Box 75, Lynchburg, Virga. 24505 H:434-528-3995 M:434-401-0020 www.WScottSmith.com _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 12:47:38 -0500 From: jsk@gamewood.net Subject: [MapHist] Thomas Hutchins, U.S. Continental Army Geographer, ca. 1781 To: W.Scott Smith , X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Based on the information at this site , I wonder if you might not be able to contact the UVa Special Collections library at Charlottesville, and whether they might have some pointers. I'm sure some other people on this list will have some other ideas. Joel Kovarsky ------ Original Message ------ From: W. Scott Smith To: Sent: Nov 09, 2004 05:38 PM Subject: [MapHist] Thomas Hutchins, U.S. Continental Army Geographer, ca. 1781 >Hello, > >I am doing some personal research on the Continental Army Geographers >Department during the American Revolutionary War. George Washington >appointed Robert Erskine to be his Geographer (Simeon DeWitt later replaced >Erskine). > >In 1781, Thomas Hutchins was appointed as the Southern Department Geographer >under General Greene. I am seeking information on this Southern Dept. >operation, including the makeup of Hutchins' staff and whether or not he was >present at Yorktown in October of 1781 (I have seen references to him being >there, but have no primary documentation of that). > > >___________________________________________ >W. Scott Breckinridge Smith >Historical Research & Consulting >Post Office Box 75, Lynchburg, Virga. 24505 >H:434-528-3995 M:434-401-0020 www.WScottSmith.com > > >_______________________________________________________________ >MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. >The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for >the views of the author. >List Information: http://www.maphist.info > > _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: derekhay@mail.telus.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 10:29:40 -0800 To: , From: Derek Hayes Subject: [MapHist] Re: Research request X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl "James C. Jeffery III" This map is now available for online download as a MrSid image from the Library of Congress: http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?gmd:14:./temp/~ammem_KmjL:: If you don't have the MrSid software a read only version can be downloaded from this same site. Derek Hayes At 05:40 AM 11/9/2004, you wrote: >Could someone pass on a picture of Map 38 Puerto de Monterey as shown on a >map of California (depicted as a island) by Joan Vinckeboons, a Dutch >mapmaker, about 1650 The complete map is shown on page 45 (Map 63) >Historical Atlas of the North Pacific Ocean by Derek Hayes > >Please contact me via email or > > Jim Jeffery > PO Box 961 > Los Gatos, CA 95031 > (408) 377-6222 Derek Hayes Vancouver, BC Canada derek@derekhayes.ca http://www.derekhayes.ca Phone 604 541 7850 Fax 604 541 7811 Author: Historical Atlas of British Columbia and the Pacific Northwest (1999) Historical Atlas of the Pacific Northwest (US edition, 1999) First Crossing: Alexander Mackenzie, His Expedition Across North America, and the Opening of a Continent (2001) Historical Atlas of the North Pacific Ocean (2001) Historical Atlas of Canada: Canada's History Illustrated with Original Maps (2002) Historical Atlas of the Arctic (2003) Canada An Illustrated History (forthcoming: September 2004) America Discovered: A Historical Atlas of North American Exploration (forthcoming: November 2004) _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Harold Cramer" To: Subject: Re: [MapHist] Thomas Hutchins, U.S. Continental Army Geographer, ca. 1781 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 18:16:56 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out008.verizon.net from [68.162.146.208] at Tue, 9 Nov 2004 17:16:35 -0600 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Hello: You could try the following biography of Hutchins which was published as a PhD dissertation. Thomas Hutchins, 1730-1789 / by Anna Margaret Quattrocchi. Publisher 1944. Description iv, 371 leaves ; 29 cm. Yours truly, Harold Cramer _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:09:22 -0500 From: jsk@gamewood.net Subject: [MapHist] digital preservation To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl There is a readable, general article in today's NY Times, regarding the problems with digital preservation: . This does require a login, which is free. Joel Kovarsky _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Jonathan Potter Limited" To: Subject: [MapHist] Tooley's Dictionary of Mapmakers Q-Z Availability Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 14:39:58 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl DO NOT USE YOUR EMAIL REPLY FUNCTION TO RESPOND TO THIS ANNOUNCEMENT. MAKE SURE ANY MESSAGE COMES TO ME AND IS NOT SENT TO THE ENTIRE LIST We are pleased to announce that Tooley's Dictionary of Mapmakers is now available for sale. Enquiries from the UK & Europe please see http://www.jpmaps.co.uk/reference_books.htm. Other areas please contact www.mapsage.com Jonathan Potter Limited (Antique Maps) 125 New Bond Street, London, W1S 1DY. e-mail jpmaps@attglobal.net Tel: +44 (0)20 7491 3520 Fax: +44 (0)20 7491 9754 web site www.jpmaps.co.uk Member of ABA, BADA, LAPADA & PBFA Browse a further selection of our stock at www.ilab-lila.com _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "angus murray" To: Subject: [MapHist] Edition dates and publication dates. Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 23:18:18 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl I wonder if anyone can tell me if the Edition date of a British Admiralty chart is one and the same as the publication date. Does anyone know how these charts were announced and distributed worldwide during the early 20th century? Your help appreciated, Regards Angus Murray _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: RE: [MapHist] Edition dates and publication dates. Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 10:47:38 +1100 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [MapHist] Edition dates and publication dates. Thread-Index: AcTHe5rDJujMov23RA6XCyrCq/GIvAAAefaQ From: "Maura O'Connor" To: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Angus The British Admiralty has issued catalogues of its charts from at least 1900 if not before, and continue to do so. I think these days they may also have a subscribed service over the Internet. I have access to their 1910 catalogue in our collection and subsequent editions to about 2000 when we ceased acquiring their charts. You usually have up to three dates on an Admiralty chart. There will be the date when a particular chart was first issued. Subsequent editions and their dates will also be shown. Then there will also be corrections dates - both small and large, the latter usually suggesting a new edition, but not always. An example of how we have managed this in our catalogue records is given as follows: Great Britain. Hydrographic Office. Australia-W. coast [cartographic material] : Champion Bay to Cape Naturaliste including Swan River / surveyed by Staff Commander W.E. Archdeacon, R.N., 1875-6. Engraved by Edwd. Weller. Large corrections Septr. 1885. Scale [ca. 1: 622 500]. London : Published at the Admiralty 14th May 1877 under the Superintendence of Captain F.J. Evans, R.N.; C.B.: F.R.S. Hydrographer : Sold by J.D. Potter, agent for the sale of the Admiralty charts, 145 Minories, 1885. 1 map ; 97.3 x 63.5 cm. Hydrographic chart of the west coast of AUstralia from Champion Bay to Cape Naturaliste, with relief shown by hachures, spot heights andd bathymetric soundings. Jurien Bay; Approachies to Port Dongara or Denison. Chart "1033" Map 34 from Johnston special Collection. Yours sincerely Maura O'Connor Map Curator National Library of Australia Canberra ACT 2600 Phone : 61 2 6262 1280 Fax: 61 2 6161 1653 Email : moconnor@nla.gov.au -----Original Message----- From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl [mailto:owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl] On Behalf Of angus murray Sent: Thursday, 11 November 2004 10:18 AM To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] Edition dates and publication dates. I wonder if anyone can tell me if the Edition date of a British Admiralty chart is one and the same as the publication date. Does anyone know how these charts were announced and distributed worldwide during the early 20th century? Your help appreciated, Regards Angus Murray _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "tony campbell" To: "*MapHist" , "*Liber-GdC" , "*Lismaps" Subject: [MapHist] Francis Herbert retires as Imago Mundi's Bibliographer Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 12:46:18 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl {posted to MapHist, LIBER GdeC and lismaps} Imago Mundi Bibliography: Francis Herbert Retires ----------------------------------------------------- For an unbroken period of thirty years (1976-2005), Imago Mundi's Bibliography has been compiled by Francis Herbert, Hon. FRGS. He has now decided to relinquish the post. Francis's long run as compiler of the Bibliography - a key element of the journal from its inception in 1935 and one of its most valued features - started in 1976 with Volume 28, the second volume to be published in England, and has continued uninterruptedly to 2005 (Volume 57, Part 1). His association with Imago Mundi, in short, has covered more than half the life of the journal itself. From the beginning, Francis introduced improvements. In fact, he has never faltered in his efforts to give his entries ever-increasing analytical depth so that the Bibliography fulfilled its role as a research tool in the best way possible. At the same time, he ensured consistency in respecting the integrity of the core information, which conformed at first to the 1974 and then to the 1987 editions of the International Standard Bibliographic Description for Monographic Publications (ISBD (M)) manual (as is indicated in the headnote to each issue of the Bibliography). He also insisted on a comprehensive numbering system for each entry (year, volume number, entry number), a simple but highly effective way of allowing individual entries to be indexed, searched for, and bibliographically cited. Another invaluable innovation was his introduction of a nominal index (for people and institutions), to which were added (in 1994, Volume 46) subject and geographical indexes, to accompany the entries in each issue. Under Francis, Imago Mundi's Bibliography has carried 6635 main entries (some of which may contain anything from two to twenty separate articles, individual chapters in books, and journal articles). The value of this immense achievement will not only endure in the printed volumes of the journal but is now greatly enhanced by being electronically accessible. Since July 2004 it has been possible (for those whose libraries subscribe) to use keywords to search entries in the Bibliography, as well as all articles, in the back numbers of Imago Mundi (Volumes 1 to 54 inclusive) through the electronic archive JSTOR (select 'articles' to access the Bibliography). The current versions of the Bibliography are also available in the online version of the volumes published by Taylor & Francis Informa (Volume 55 onwards). The arrival of online publication prompted Francis to air the question, 'A current international bibliography of the literature of the history of cartography on the WWW: of whom, by whom, and for whom?' (see LIBER Quarterly, the Journal of European Research Libraries, ISSN 1435-5205, Vol. 10 (2000), No 4, pp. 528-38) < http://www.kb.nl/infolev/liber/articles/12herbert.html >. Francis Herbert's attention to detail is legendary and greatly admired. Few, however, will be aware of his generosity in searching out elusive publications and all necessary details. His dogged determination to ensure that each entry would be as helpful as possible to every reader drew heavily on his free time. The Board of Directors of Imago Mundi Ltd wish to place on record their appreciation of Francis Herbert's outstanding achievement in creating a databank of bibliographical information that will continue to fuel research and benefit the history of cartography for decades to come. We wish him well as he turns to other things. [If you wish to contact Francis, he can be reached at < f.herbert@rgs.org >]. In his place, we are pleased to welcome Nick Millea, Map Librarian at the Bodleian Library, University of Oxford, to whom we extend our good wishes as he takes up the challenge of ensuring, in his way, the continuation of Imago Mundi's Bibliography. He can be contacted at < nam@bodley.ox.ac.uk >. 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List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 From: TKashuba@aol.com Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 12:48:09 EST Subject: Who owns the copyright to an article in the Map Collector? To: maphist-list@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5035 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl

Hello all:

I am in need of some collective "wisdom" to help me solve this interesting problem. I would like to quote some extensive portions of an article that J.B. Harley wrote that appeared in 1989 in The Map Collector. Try as I might, I have been unable to determine who owns the current copyright so I can request permission. I understand that Edward Aster of Mercator's World purchased The Map Collector. With both magazines defunct and the author deceased, who has assumed the rights? Has another cartographic magazine publisher picked up the rights? Does anyone on this list who wrote for The Map Collector recall how their contract was written with regard to copyrights reverting to the author?

Does anyone have a current e-mail address of Valerie Scott? My time is growing short as this chapter of my book is due to the publisher soon and it would be a shame to cut out some of this brilliant man's words.

Please respond to me privately and thank you in advance for any advice.

Best Wishes,

Melinda Kashuba

Redding, California

X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Cook, Andrew" To: "'maphist@geog.uu.nl'" Subject: RE: [MapHist] Edition and publication dates of UK Admiralty Chart s [long] Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 18:56:29 -0000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Angus A big question. In the early C20th Admiralty Charts were revised and corrected, often very substantially, after formal publication of a plate. Revisions and corrections were habitually made on the master copper plate, on any current duplicate copper plate, and on any zinc transfer plate before printing, by hand in-house between printing and issue on the resulting paper impressions, by hand by agents between issue and sale, and by hand by purchasers according to published Notices to Mariners. The date of formal publication of a plate is often many years earlier than the true date of appearance of new coastal topographical detail. Chart 1922 of the Vancouver area was published in 1860 and had the shore features revised repeatedly to 1952 without change of publication date. There can be 15 or 20 dates associable with an early Admiralty Chart, each useful in its own way. Look primarily for these: Date of survey, and date of revising survey or other data (both in the title area of the chart); Date of publication (in imprint at bottom centre, outside the border) - this is the date of the publication of the plate, and of the first issue of impressions; Date of 'New Edition' (bottom margin, to right of imprint) - if present the latest such date is the date the plate was last totally revised, and all previous stock withdrawn; Date of 'Large Corrections' (bottom margin, below or to right of 'New Edition') - if present the latest such date is the date the plate was last corrected in large part, and all previous stock withdrawn from agents; Date of printed 'Small Corrections' (bottom margin, left corner) - if present the latest such printed date ('month.year' before 1918, 'year-Notice to Mariners #' after 1918) is the date the plate was last corrected before printing; Date of printing (top margin, right corner) - if present (inconsistently before early 1920s, consistently thereafter) the date (ddd.yy), added to zinc transfer plates before printing or stamped on impressions from copper plates after printing, is the date of actual printing; Date of black manuscript 'Small Corrections' (bottom margin, left corner, following printed 'Small Corrections', if any) - if present these denote further corrections made to the stock of paper impressions in the Admiralty Chart Correction Office before issue; Date of violet manuscript 'Small Corrections' (following black corrections, if any) - if present these denote further corrections made by agents to the stock of paper impressions after issue and before sale; Date of red manuscript 'Small Corrections' (following violet corrections, if any) - if present these denote further corrections by users as instructed in published 'Notices to Mariners'. A new Large Correction subsumed and cancelled, by erasure of the list in the plate margin, all previous Small Corrections. A New Edition subsumed and cancelled, by erasure of the list in the plate margin, all previous Large and Small Corrections. During the currency of a plate normally all New Edition dates were allowed to accumulate in a 'string' on the plate. Only during the currency of a New Edition were subsequent Large Correction dates allowed to accumulate. Only during the currency of a Large Correction state were subsequent Small Correction dates allowed to accumulate. But, of course, they could persist by neglect. Also, the concept of the 'New Edition' was introduced only about 1910: until then there were only Large and Small Corrections, and after 1910 all previous Large Corrections were arbitrarily renamed 'New Editions'. Beware the well-meaning helper who tries to tell you that Magnetic Variation dates are important as dating features on Admiralty Charts. They are a SNARE and a DELUSION: changes in Admiralty practice around 1900, from using projected future values to using historic past values, have baffled curators trying to use their dates to track such things as the history of wharfage or dredging developments on charts. I find it convenient (and, so far, foolproof) to define an Admiralty Chart by its number, publication date, NE date, LC date, printed SC date, and printing date, and to make a note of any subsequent manuscript SC dates or NM numbers in black, violet and red. I note the MV date, particularly before printing dates started, because it can sometimes represent a new printing without generating a new NM SC, but I don't use it otherwise. I also note the sale price, because macro price changes are datable by the Chart Catalogues, and because they too can sometimes represent a new printing without generating a new NM SC. The ability to date price changes helped me to get to the bottom of changes in the use of MV dates. Admiralty Chart Catalogues will tell you which plates were currently available, but not which edition or correction state, as these were constantly changing. Nor will they tell you when one plate replaced another for the same area at the same number. Up till the 1930s some information on revising surveys appears in the italic names and dates after the chart title, but not thereafter. Admiralty Charts in the early C20th were habitually printed in small quantities: in-house printing allowed this, and it reduced the amount of manuscript correction required before issue. Uusually only a few hundred were printed at a time, a very early example of the 'just-in-time' philosophy of warehouse stock control. Admiralty Chart Catalogues list the agents worldwide who undertook to sell Admiralty Charts, and who were approved by the Admiralty and trusted by the mariner as 'violet'-correctors of charts after issue and before sale. I haven't tried to deal here with 'red standards', 'green standards', and '"not" corrections', nor with macro corrections and name-spelling changes - all features which influenced office decisions to revise a chart or send it for printing. Nor with agent name and address changes, derived substrate designation changes, dimension statements and graticule changes. Nor with the Hydrographic Office 'History Ledgers', the narrative record of corrections to be applied to charts and the authorities for them. All this is work in progress, primarily in the context of a retrospective chart catalogue for British Columbia now on the stocks. I hope this helps. Andrew Andrew S Cook PhD Map Archivist, India Office Records The British Library 96 Euston Road London NW1 2DB Telephone +44 (20) 7412 7828 Fax +44 (20) 7412 7641 -----Original Message----- From: angus murray [mailto:manwithaverylongname@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: 10 November 2004 23:18 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] Edition dates and publication dates. I wonder if anyone can tell me if the Edition date of a British Admiralty chart is one and the same as the publication date. Does anyone know how these charts were announced and distributed worldwide during the early 20th century? Your help appreciated, Regards Angus Murray ************************************************************************** Experience the British Library online at www.bl.uk Help the British Library conserve the world's knowledge. 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The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 From: "Ashley Baynton-Williams" To: , Subject: RE: Who owns the copyright to an article in the Map Collector? Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 23:45:04 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl

Melinda,

I've forwarded your enquiry to Valerie Scott, who was Editor of the 'Map Collector', in the hope that she can answer your query.

Ashley Baynton-Williams

X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 19:10:36 -0500 From: John Woram Subject: RE: [MapHist] Who owns the copyright to an article in the Map Collector? X-Sender: john@woram.com@mail.woram.com (Unverified) To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Cc: TKashuba@aol.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Melinda, I wrote a piece for "Map Collector" in 1988, and did not sign a contract. Assuming J.B. Harley also did not sign a contract, or if he did so, that there was no specific assignment of rights, then Harley would have retained the copyright to the work--although "Map Collector" would of course hold the copyright for the compilation. With the author deceased, presumably his estate now owns those rights. Depending on how extensive your Harley quotations are though, you may be able to proceed under "fair use" guidelines, in which an author is permitted to quote (with attribution) another's work. But if you're using a significant portion of the work, then you'd need to get permission from the author's estate. John Woram _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Ashley Baynton-Williams" To: Subject: RE: [MapHist] Who owns the copyright to an article in the Map Collector? Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 00:41:26 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl John, I too wrote an article for 'The Map Collector'; I didn't sign a contract, but I was "paid" (a free subscription) for it, so I assume that Val Scott, or her assignees, hold the copyright to the article. Hopefully Val can enlighten all of us about the copyright position, as there any number of opinions about. Ashley Baynton-Williams _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=jXSW4KfKbjh+FernQ5DGFhBpGLGSUGX4iSO2JD2zE+kVXI9pF0DN4Bhrz8RN6Eclwb5w33kRfol5X79RjUSeq8qjohHHZhZ3j0DvthiNb3CES5pQJPqy82o7QJ9BNmGYddMqK9En/hAds+3hmGhNu9yTLUsuU9jvETvs+XvOe80= Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 02:44:42 +0100 From: Andre Engels To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: Re: [MapHist] Who owns the copyright to an article in the Map Collector? X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl No, as far as I know, if you did not sign the copyright over, you still hold the copyright. The payment in that case is for the right to use something that is under your copyright, not for the copyright itself. Andre Engels On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 00:41:26 -0000, Ashley Baynton-Williams wrote: > John, > > I too wrote an article for 'The Map Collector'; I didn't sign a contract, > but I was "paid" (a free subscription) for it, so I assume that Val Scott, > or her assignees, hold the copyright to the article. > > Hopefully Val can enlighten all of us about the copyright position, as there > any number of opinions about. > > Ashley Baynton-Williams > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.info > _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: jsk@pop.gamewood.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 20:52:00 -0500 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Joel Kovarsky Subject: Re: [MapHist] Who owns the copyright to an article in the Map Collector? X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl At 08:44 PM 11/11/2004, you wrote:

No, as far as I know, if you did not sign the copyright over, you
still hold the copyright. The payment in that case is for the right to
use something that is under your copyright, not for the copyright
itself.

Andre Engels

As Ashley indicated, and given international variations, it can get tricky.

General: <http://www.umi.com/umi/dissertations/copyright/>

From part III above: "Roadmap for Copyright Compliance" <http://www.umi.com/umi/dissertations/copyright/Part3.html>

"For your guidance and to ease your dissertation through its pre-publication review, staff members at UMI offer these guidelines about acceptable fair use from their years of experience.

Long quotations. In general, UMI raises questions about quotations from pre-existing materials that extend for more than one and one-half single-spaced pages. "

So part of it may depend on volume, and from what the intial query implied, she was suggesting a lengthy quote.

Joel Kovarsky

X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 21:06:17 -0500 From: John Woram Subject: RE: [MapHist] Who owns the copyright to an article in the Map Collector? X-Sender: john@woram.com@mail.woram.com (Unverified) To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Ashley Baynton-Williams wrote: "I too wrote an article for 'The Map Collector'; I didn't sign a contract, but I was "paid" (a free subscription) for it, so I assume that Val Scott, or her assignees, hold the copyright to the article. Well, "I am not a lawyer" and all that sort of thing, but on this side of the pond, it doesn't much matter how much one was--or, wasn't--paid. That payment is for the one-time right to reproduce the manuscript in print, and the author retains all other rights. Unless of course the author willingly surrendered those rights as a condition of payment. It would certainly be a courtesy to fully credit the original publication when quoting from it, if only to keep readers informed. But permission for quotations beyond "fair use" guidelines would have to come from the author--or in this case, the author's estate. Permission to physically reproduce a page from the "Map Collector" would of course have to come from the publication, but I don't think that's an issue here. _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.4.4011 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 21:06:39 -0500 Subject: Re: [MapHist] Who owns the copyright to an article in the Map Collector? From: Helen Glazer To: Maphist X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl On 11/11/04 8:44 PM, "Andre Engels" wrote: > No, as far as I know, if you did not sign the copyright over, you > still hold the copyright. The payment in that case is for the right to > use something that is under your copyright, not for the copyright > itself. In my experience with publishing articles and artwork in magazines, this has been the case -- that the magazine essentially is allowed "one time use" of the work, unless you sign a contract expressly assigning all rights to them, or unless you are a permanent employee of the magazine, in which case it is considered a "work for hire" and belongs to them. Here's an excerpt from a book on professional practices for the Graphic Artists Guild (U.S.): "For contributions to collective works (such as magazines, anthologies, encyclopedias, etc.) where there is no signed agreement, the law presumes the transfer of only the non-exclusive rights for use in that particular collective work...All other rights remain vested with the artist. Copyright must be transferred in writing for the transfer to be valid." In the U.S., at least, most likely the author's estate would own the copyright. --Helen ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø Helen Glazer, Creative Director George Glazer Gallery http://www.georgeglazer.com Antique Globes, Maps & Prints ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.UU.NL Delivered-To: maphist@geog.UU.NL X-Sender: jsk@pop.gamewood.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 21:38:23 -0500 To: maphist@geog.UU.NL From: Joel Kovarsky Subject: Re: [MapHist] Who owns the copyright to an article in the Map Collector? X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl At 09:06 PM 11/11/2004, you wrote:

In the U.S., at least, most likely the author's estate would own the
copyright.

All this may be well and good, but I pulled an old copy of MW (Feb. 2003). On page 3 it states: "All contents copyrighted c2003 by Aster Publishing Corporation. All rights reserved. The contents of this publication may not be reproduced in any form printed or electronic without written consent from the publisher."

I also pulled an old Map Collector, and a similar statement is there. Sounds like the magazine holds copyright at least to what was published there. But I'm not a lawyer, and I'll quit now.

Joel Kovarsky

X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 22:02:28 -0500 From: John Woram Subject: Re: [MapHist] Who owns the copyright to an article in the Map Collector? X-Sender: john@woram.com@mail.woram.com (Unverified) To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Joel Kovarsky wrote: I pulled an old copy of MW (Feb. 2003). On page 3 it states: "All contents copyrighted c2003 by Aster Publishing Corporation. All rights reserved. The contents of this publication may not be reproduced in any form printed or electronic without written consent from the publisher." Two things here: 1. The magazine does indeed hold the copyright to its own printed pages. You may not reproduce those pages without permission. In other words, if there's a map in the lower righthand corner of the page, and an elegant bold italic headline, you may not make a photocopy of that page and use it in your own work. However, the presence of the map on the printed page does not mean the publication now owns the reproduction rights to that map. The publication simply owns the rendition you see in their magazine. Same general comments apply to the text. 2. A publication may announce that it owns anything and everything that appears between its covers. But that does not make it so. Otherwise it would be illegal to reproduce various maps by Mercator, Ortelius and assorted others if those maps had appeared in a recent publication. I suspect any publisher lunatic enough to claim all rights to such things would be laughed out of court. Likewise, if a publisher claims it now owns the intellectual output of an author--unless of course that author explicitly granted the publisher such rights. _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 18:30:32 -0900 From: Dee Longenbaugh Subject: Re: [MapHist] Who owns the copyright to an article in the Map Collector? X-Sender: deelong@mail.gci.net To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl At 10:02 PM -0500 11/11/04, John Woram wrote: >Joel Kovarsky wrote: I pulled an old copy of MW (Feb. 2003). On page >3 it states: "All contents copyrighted c2003 by Aster Publishing >Corporation. All rights reserved. The contents of this publication >may not be reproduced in any form printed or electronic without >written consent from the publisher." > Several years ago I did a piece for Mercator's World. As I planned to use it in a book, I wanted the copyright. It took some arguing, but we finally decided that publication rights would revert to me 90 days after publication. So that worked out. Dee who triumphs occasionally -- The Observatory, ABAA 200 North Franklin Street Juneau, Alaska 99801 907/586-9676 fax 907/586-9606 deelong@alaska.com http://www.observatorybooks.com Since 1977 _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-ClientAddr: 24.125.46.49 From: "David M. Lawrence" To: Subject: RE: [MapHist] Who owns the copyright to an article in the Map Collector? Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 00:18:57 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-AuthorsGuild-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-AuthorsGuild-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: dave@fuzzo.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Just because you're paid for a piece doesn't mean that the payer owns the copyright. You really need to learn more about copyright before saying ignorant stuff like that. If the work was done while you were an employee of the publisher, then the publisher owns the rights. If the work was Work-Made-For-Hire, the publisher likewise owns the rights. But, if you are not an employee, and if no contract is signed stipulating that the work is WMFH, it is NOT. When The Map Collector paid you with a free subscription, the magazine -- in the absence of a SIGNED contract -- was just compensating you for that particular use of your work. (As they should.) You still can use the work in the future as you see fit. For more information on U.S. copyright law, go to http://www.copyright.gov/. Also check out Web sites for writers, such as The Authors Guild (http://www.authorsguild.org/) or the American Society of Journalists and Authors (http://www.asja.org/). Later, Dave ------------------------------------------------------ David M. 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List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.UU.NL Delivered-To: maphist@geog.UU.NL X-ClientAddr: 24.125.46.49 From: "David M. Lawrence" To: Subject: RE: [MapHist] Who owns the copyright to an article in the Map Collector? Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 00:28:15 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-AuthorsGuild-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-AuthorsGuild-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: dave@fuzzo.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Message

Unless the writer signed over ALL rights to the work -- and I didn't when I wrote an article for Mercator's World in 1999 -- the writer retains copyright. However, the design -- the way it was presented on the page, represents the work of the Mercator's World design team. The magazine could legitimately request compensation for uses of the page images, if it saw fit to do so. But unless the writers in 2003 signed a different contract, they own the rights to their words.

I expect that the issue in which my article appeared has the same type of notice that you describe. But the magazine had first North American serial rights, exclusive electronic (for example, the World Wide Web) rights for SIX MONTHS from publication, and non-exclusive rights after that.

Later,

Dave

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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl [mailto:owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl] On Behalf Of Joel Kovarsky
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 9:38 PM
To: maphist@geog.UU.NL
Subject: Re: [MapHist] Who owns the copyright to an article in the Map Collector?

At 09:06 PM 11/11/2004, you wrote:

In the U.S., at least, most likely the author's estate would own the
copyright.

All this may be well and good, but I pulled an old copy of MW (Feb. 2003). On page 3 it states: "All contents copyrighted c2003 by Aster Publishing Corporation. All rights reserved. The contents of this publication may not be reproduced in any form printed or electronic without written consent from the publisher."

I also pulled an old Map Collector, and a similar statement is there. Sounds like the magazine holds copyright at least to what was published there. But I'm not a lawyer, and I'll quit now.

Joel Kovarsky

X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: adam_eve@henny-savenije.pe.kr X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 15:05:59 +0900 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Henny Savenije Subject: Re: [MapHist] Who owns the copyright to an article in the Map Collector? X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl I did the same thing when I published a few articles. I explicitly wanted to keep the copyright otherwise I would have to give up my homepages. At 12:30 ¿ÀÈÄ 2004-11-12, you wrote: >At 10:02 PM -0500 11/11/04, John Woram wrote: >>Joel Kovarsky wrote: I pulled an old copy of MW (Feb. 2003). On page 3 it >>states: "All contents copyrighted c2003 by Aster Publishing Corporation. >>All rights reserved. The contents of this publication may not be >>reproduced in any form printed or electronic without written consent from >>the publisher." >Several years ago I did a piece for Mercator's World. As I planned to use >it in a book, I wanted the copyright. It took some arguing, but we finally >decided that publication rights would revert to me 90 days after >publication. So that worked out. > Dee >who triumphs occasionally >-- > The Observatory, ABAA >200 North Franklin Street >Juneau, Alaska 99801 >907/586-9676 >fax 907/586-9606 >deelong@alaska.com >http://www.observatorybooks.com >Since 1977 >_______________________________________________________________ >MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. >The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for >the views of the author. >List Information: http://www.maphist.info Henny (Lee Hae Kang) ----------------------------- http://www.henny-savenije.pe.kr Portal to all my sites http://www.hendrick-hamel.henny-savenije.pe.kr (in English) Feel free to discover Korea with Hendrick Hamel (1653-1666) http://www.hendrick-hamel.henny-savenije.pe.kr/indexk2.htm In Korean http://www.hendrick-hamel.henny-savenije.pe.kr/Dutch In Dutch http://www.vos.henny-savenije.pe.kr Frits Vos Article about Witsen and Eibokken and his first Korean-Dutch dictionary http://www.cartography.henny-savenije.pe.kr (in English) Korea through Western Cartographic eyes http://www.hwasong.henny-savenije.pe.kr Hwasong the fortress in Suwon http://www.oldKorea.henny-savenije.pe.kr Old Korea in pictures http://www.british.henny-savenije.pe.kr A British encounter in Pusan (1797) http://www.genealogy.henny-savenije.pe.kr Genealogy http://www.henny-savenije.pe.kr/bboard Bulletin board for Korean studies _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: maphist15@mail.maphist.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:03:26 +0100 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl (by way of List-owner MapHist ) Subject: RE: [MapHist] Edition dates and publication dates. X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS-perl11-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl This had an illegal word (I added some spaces). Peter From: "Paul Hughes" Subject: RE: [MapHist] Edition dates and publication dates. Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 16:45:07 -0000 The publication date is shown in the bottom left corner, new editions are noted to the right, as are the dates of large corrections. Publication editions and all corrections are promulgated in weekly 'Notices to Mariners'. All Admiralty publications, since inception, are distributed by Admiralty Chart Agents; there is in addition a direct distribution - via the internet - to those who s u b scribe. Hydrographic dating is precise. -----Original Message----- From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl [mailto:owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl] On Behalf Of angus murray Sent: 10 November 2004 23:18 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] Edition dates and publication dates. I wonder if anyone can tell me if the Edition date of a British Admiralty chart is one and the same as the publication date. Does anyone know how these charts were announced and distributed worldwide during the early 20th century? Your help appreciated, Regards Angus Murray _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info Peter van der Krogt List-owner MapHist List-info: http://www.maphist.nl _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: F.Herbert@RGS.org To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Cc: TKashuba@aol.com Subject: RE: [MapHist] Who owns the copyright to an article in the Map Col lector? Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:39:49 -0000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl "But if you're using a significant portion of the work, then you'd need to get permission from the author's estate." Professor J. Brian Harley's Literary Executor was (and is still, to my knowledge) Professor Paul Laxton, recently retired from Department of Geography, Liverpool University. Francis Herbert f.herbert@rgs.org http://www.rgs.org [see 'Collections' - including some online catalogues] -----Original Message----- From: John Woram [mailto:john@woram.com] Sent: 12 November 2004 00:11 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Cc: TKashuba@aol.com Subject: RE: [MapHist] Who owns the copyright to an article in the Map Collector? Melinda, I wrote a piece for "Map Collector" in 1988, and did not sign a contract. Assuming J.B. Harley also did not sign a contract, or if he did so, that there was no specific assignment of rights, then Harley would have retained the copyright to the work--although "Map Collector" would of course hold the copyright for the compilation. With the author deceased, presumably his estate now owns those rights. Depending on how extensive your Harley quotations are though, you may be able to proceed under "fair use" guidelines, in which an author is permitted to quote (with attribution) another's work. But if you're using a significant portion of the work, then you'd need to get permission from the author's estate. John Woram _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: jsk@pop.gamewood.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 07:24:21 -0500 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Joel Kovarsky Subject: Re: [MapHist] Who owns the copyright to an article in the Map Collector? X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl I pulled the following statement, which seems to go along with one of the more recent comments posted. This was from <http://www.nolo.com/lawcenter/ency/article.cfm/ObjectID/BABFA71E-97C9-479F-8A9D4C3DB2498663/catID/2EB060FE-5A4B-4D81-883B0E540CC4CB1E>.

What are the exceptions to the rule that the creator of a work owns the copyright?

Copyrights are generally owned by the people who create the works of expression, with some important exceptions:

If a work is created by an employee in the course of his or her employment, the employer owns the copyright.

If the work is created by an independent contractor and the independent contractor signs a written agreement stating that the work shall be "made for hire," the commissioning person or organization owns the copyright only if the work is:

a part of a larger literary work, such as an article in a magazine or a poem or story in an anthology
part of a motion picture or other audiovisual work, such as a screenplay
a translation
a supplementary work such as an afterword, an introduction, chart, editorial note, bibliography, appendix, or index
a compilation
an instructional text
a test or answer material for a test, or
an atlas.

Works that don't fall within one of these eight categories constitute works made for hire only if created by an employee within the scope of his or her employment.

If the creator has sold the entire copyright, the purchasing business or person becomes the copyright owner.

X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Howard Golden" To: Subject: RE: [MapHist] Who owns the copyright to an article in the Map Collector? Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:43:22 +0100 Organization: Terra Partners X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl I read all the replies with interest and am pleased to learn the high level of the readers of this list. I am a lawyer and practiced in the field of copyright for 15 years. In brief, the answers noted in the various replies are correct. The only really technical issue is the timing. 1989 was the time the US revised its Copyright laws to conform with the Geneva convention which effectively holds that a work is copyrighted when created, not on registration as in the US. If the publication originated in England, it would likely be English law that applies. The work for hire issue is the right button to push, and the explanations about the difference between a copyright on the layout of the magazine and the content of a particular article and a photo are spot on, you can't get a copyright over the map simply by publishing it in a book or magazine and copywriting the book or magazine. Frankly I think this forum has sufficiently covered the subject and I send a bravo to the highly educated laypersons who are members here. How about someone letting the author know where to find Valerie Scott since she seems to be the key person and can tell whether or not her contracts 'bought' the copyrights from the authors. Her subsequent sale to Mercator's world is irrelevant since she could not sell rights she did not have, so it is necessary to look to the source. As to using a great deal of material to quote in a book, I would strongly suggest going to the estate for permission. Regards to all Howard I. Golden -----Original Message----- From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl [mailto:owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl] On Behalf Of John Woram Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 3:06 AM To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: RE: [MapHist] Who owns the copyright to an article in the Map Collector? Ashley Baynton-Williams wrote: "I too wrote an article for 'The Map Collector'; I didn't sign a contract, but I was "paid" (a free subscription) for it, so I assume that Val Scott, or her assignees, hold the copyright to the article. Well, "I am not a lawyer" and all that sort of thing, but on this side of the pond, it doesn't much matter how much one was--or, wasn't--paid. That payment is for the one-time right to reproduce the manuscript in print, and the author retains all other rights. Unless of course the author willingly surrendered those rights as a condition of payment. It would certainly be a courtesy to fully credit the original publication when quoting from it, if only to keep readers informed. But permission for quotations beyond "fair use" guidelines would have to come from the author--or in this case, the author's estate. Permission to physically reproduce a page from the "Map Collector" would of course have to come from the publication, but I don't think that's an issue here. _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "M Torodash" To: Subject: [MapHist] Valerie Scott Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 07:55:56 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [151.203.181.101] at Fri, 12 Nov 2004 06:55:59 -0600 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl

Valerie Scott is now known as Valerie Newby. Her e-mail address is mapcollector@btopenworld.com. Her mailing address is 57 Quainton Road, North Marston, Buckingham MK18 3PR, UK. Martin Torodash

X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Dr. Hanno V. J. KOLBE" To: Subject: [MapHist] HIC SVNT LEONES Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 15:29:55 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-AntiVirus: checked by Vexira MailArmor (version: 2.0.2-6; VAE: 6.28.0.12; VDF: 6.28.0.69; host: smtp.evc.net) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl

Dear Sirs,

SHORT INTRO: male, 52 years, profession: biochemist, vocation: geography of the period 1880-1898, collector of atlases.

For its beauty and its double meaning I chose "Hic Leones" (="Hic sunt Leones") as a product name.

Despite several months of research I have not been able to identify one historical map that actually displays the note "Hic sunt Leones" or "Hic Leones" (I learnt about this note from an old latin book of mine...).

Might anyone of you have seen this note on a map and would this person be so kind to tell me on which map it was found ?

I highly appreciate your help!

P.S. I read the Where Be "Here be Dragons"? Ubi sunt "Hic sunt dracones"? article on your site.

Sincerely

     Dr. Hanno V. J. Kolbe, HIC LEONES (EURL)
                      www.HicLeones.com
Historisch-geographische Enzyklopädie der Welt
                              (1880-1898)
                                  auf CD
        6, rue des Tuiliers, F-67204 Achenheim
                     Frankreich/Old Europe

X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: TKashuba@aol.com Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:37:52 EST Subject: Re: [MapHist] Who owns the copyright to an article in the Map Collector? To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5035 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl

Dear Mr. Woram,

Thank you for your advice. I believe that you are correct on all counts. My publisher has a very narrow window (no more than 100 words in total can be quoted) so I have to seek permission.

Best Wishes,

Melinda Kashuba

X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:55:42 -0500 From: John Woram Subject: Re: [MapHist] Who owns the copyright to an article in the Map Collector? X-Sender: john@woram.com@mail.woram.com (Unverified) To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Melinda Kashuba wrote "My publisher has a very narrow window (no more than 100 words in total can be quoted) so I have to seek permission." Again, I'm no lawyer, but if you're only quoting 100 words (presumably, a fraction of the complete work), I don't think permission is required. Authors have quoted other authors since Gutenberg, and as long as you're not "lifting" great chunks of someone else's work, there should be no problem. John Woram _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: vanderkr18@mail.vanderkrogt.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:26:44 +0100 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Peter van der Krogt Subject: Re: [MapHist] Valerie Scott X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS-perl11-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl All I don't think it is appropriate to send e-mail addresses and private home addresses of other persons to the whole list. My policy is, that if somebody asks for the address of a person, to send the mail to that person privately and leave it to him or her to contact the questioner. Peter At 13:55 12-11-2004, you wrote: >Valerie Scott is now known as Valerie Newby. Her e-mail address is XXXX >. Her mailing address is XXXX. Peter van der Krogt List-owner MapHist List-info: http://www.maphist.nl _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "M Torodash" To: Subject: Re: [MapHist] Valerie Scott Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 11:44:44 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out012.verizon.net from [151.203.181.101] at Fri, 12 Nov 2004 10:44:47 -0600 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Peter: Sorry about that. However, at least I didn't furnish her telephone and fax numbers. The addresses are business as well as personal addresses although I believe that she is retired or retiring. Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter van der Krogt" To: Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [MapHist] Valerie Scott > All > > I don't think it is appropriate to send e-mail addresses and private home > addresses of other persons to the whole list. My policy is, that if > somebody asks for the address of a person, to send the mail to that person > privately and leave it to him or her to contact the questioner. > > Peter > > At 13:55 12-11-2004, you wrote: >>Valerie Scott is now known as Valerie Newby. Her e-mail address is XXXX . >>Her mailing address is XXXX. > > > > > Peter van der Krogt > List-owner MapHist > > List-info: http://www.maphist.nl > > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.info _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 14:29:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [MapHist] HIC SVNT LEONES From: To: Cc: X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.7) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sir: The Cotton MS map, in the British Library Manuscript Collection (Tiberius B.V. Fol. 58) does have on the east coast of Asia "hic abundant Leones". Don McGuirk > Dear Sirs, > > SHORT INTRO: male, 52 years, profession: biochemist, vocation: geography of the > period 1880-1898, collector of atlases. > > For its beauty and its double meaning I chose "Hic Leones" (="Hic sunt Leones") as > a product name. > > Despite several months of research I have not been able to identify one historical > map that actually displays the note "Hic sunt Leones" or "Hic Leones" (I learnt > about this note from an old latin book of mine...). > > Might anyone of you have seen this note on a map and would this person be so kind > to tell me on which map it was found ? > > I highly appreciate your help! > > P.S. I read the Where Be "Here be Dragons"? Ubi sunt "Hic sunt dracones"? article > on your site. > > Sincerely > > Dr. Hanno V. J. Kolbe, HIC LEONES (EURL) > www.HicLeones.com > Historisch-geographische Enzyklopädie der Welt > (1880-1898) > auf CD > 6, rue des Tuiliers, F-67204 Achenheim > Frankreich/Old Europe _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 01:10:48 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: [MapHist] HIC SVNT LEONES From: hgolden@terrapartners.com To: maphist@geog.uu.nl User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl I found the following entry in an internet auction site [Egypt, Arabia, Syria] Michalet, Les deserts d'Egypte, de Thebaide, d'Arabie, de Sirie, & c... Paris, 1693. 22 x 30½ (two sheets joined). Old outline color with later additions. Small brown stain off Cyprus coast, repairs to lower cf; else VG. We've always been slightly irked at popular articles suggesting images of dragons were plastered over every old map. In fact, we can't recall seeing one – until now. This uncommon map shows dragons in the Egyptian desert along with serpents, crocodiles, lions and elephants. It also depicts monasteries and hermits in the desert solitude. Covers the area from eastern Libya to Syria. Oriented with north to the upper right. Incidents in the lives of several saints are illustrated in miniature, such as Sts. Jerome, Anthony and Simeon Stylites, who was expelled from a monastery for "excessive austerities" and then lived on a pillar for ten years. Pastoureau, Jaillot I-D #107. So ther really were dragons. Howard Golden Sir: > The Cotton MS map, in the British Library Manuscript Collection > (Tiberius B.V. > Fol. 58) does have on the east coast of Asia "hic abundant Leones". > > Don McGuirk > >> Dear Sirs, >> >> SHORT INTRO: male, 52 years, profession: biochemist, vocation: geography >> of the >> period 1880-1898, collector of atlases. >> >> For its beauty and its double meaning I chose "Hic Leones" (="Hic sunt >> Leones") as >> a product name. >> >> Despite several months of research I have not been able to identify one >> historical >> map that actually displays the note "Hic sunt Leones" or "Hic Leones" (I >> learnt >> about this note from an old latin book of mine...). >> >> Might anyone of you have seen this note on a map and would this person >> be so kind >> to tell me on which map it was found ? >> >> I highly appreciate your help! >> >> P.S. I read the Where Be "Here be Dragons"? Ubi sunt "Hic sunt >> dracones"? article >> on your site. >> >> Sincerely >> >> Dr. Hanno V. J. Kolbe, HIC LEONES (EURL) >> www.HicLeones.com >> Historisch-geographische Enzyklopädie der Welt >> (1880-1898) >> auf CD >> 6, rue des Tuiliers, F-67204 Achenheim >> Frankreich/Old Europe > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.info > _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "tony campbell" To: "*MapHist" , "*Lismaps" , "*Liber-GdC" Cc: , Subject: [MapHist] Thirty-Fifth Medieval Workshop - Call for Papers Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 10:39:35 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Call for Papers --------------- Thirty-Fifth Medieval Workshop CARTOGRAPHY IN ANTIQUITY AND THE MIDDLE AGES: FRESH PERSPECTIVES, NEW METHODS The Committee for Medieval Studies of the University of British Columbia invites paper proposals for this conference to be held on October 28-29, 2005 on the UBC campus in Vancouver. The scope of the conference will match that of J. Brian Harley and David Woodward (eds.), The History of Cartography, vol. 1. Eighteen years after the publication of that seminal work this conference will offer a unique forum to highlight, distill and reflect upon the remarkable progress made in so many areas since 1987, thereby honouring the memory of the joint editors, and in particular David Woodward, deceased August 25, 2004. Looking to the future, the conference is also specifically designed to foster closer interaction between scholars of antiquity and of the Middle Ages who engage with maps. Proposals are especially welcome which discuss recent discoveries, the value of fresh perspectives and methodologies, insights gained from the exploitation of new technology, relationships between ancient and medieval cartography, and significant current work in progress. Graduate students in Canadian institutions and elsewhere are welcome to submit proposals. Papers are not to exceed 20 minutes. All proposals, including an abstract of 500 words maximum, should be sent by e-mail to the organizers, Richard Talbert (University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill) and Richard W. Unger (UBC) to arrive no later than 20 March, 2005. Proposers whose papers are selected will be notified by 15 May, 2005. Some financial support may be available to assist participation in the conference. {posted to MapHist, lismaps, LIBER GdeC - all enquiries please to those named above} _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: krogt@pop.geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 14:18:21 +0100 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Peter van der Krogt Subject: [MapHist] Augustus Mitchell’s sources for his Atlas of the New World Cc: f.ormeling@geog.uu.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Dear all On sheet 61, "Map of New Granada, Venezuela and Guiana", in the 1866/68 edition of the Atlas of the New World, edited by Augustus Mitchell, the New River, one of the tributaries of the Corantine River, the boundary between Suriname and Guyana, is drawn in. This is surprising, as according to tradition it was Charles Barrington Brown who discovered the New River in 1871. Robert Schomburgk, the German explorer of Guyana, never noticed the New River, twice the size of the Corantine, when sailing it down in 1843). In order to solve this issue, we are interested in when (or in which edition) the New River first was represented in Mitchell's atlases. And of course, if that can be established, the more important question would be: what were Mitchell's sources for incorporating this tributary? Illustrations of the sheet and the detail are on the MapHist Illustration page: http://www.maphist.nl/illustr.html Ferjan Ormeling/Peter van der Krogt YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY Dr Peter van der Krogt Map Historian, Explokart Research Program Faculty of Geo-sciences, University of Utrecht P.O. Box 80.115 3508 TC UTRECHT, The Netherlands e-mail: peter@vanderkrogt.net Homepage: MapHist: Genealogy: Elementymology: Columbus Monuments: YYYYYYYYYYYYYYY PER ANGUSTA AD AUGUSTA YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "J.B. Post" To: Subject: [MapHist] Cartifact alert Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 09:47:16 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl The Yuengling Brewery website (under "gift shop") is selling a "lager afghan" which has a map of part of Pennsylvania and an illustration of a bottle of beer. The general website URL is http://www.yuengling.com. JBP _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Authentication-Warning: svpal.svpal.org: chetv owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 10:31:53 -0800 (PST) From: Chet Van Duzer To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] New edition and translation of Domenico Silvestri's De Insulis X-Filter-Version: 1.11a-svpal (svpal.svpal.org) X-MailFilter: Yes X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl A colleague of mine, Jose Manuel Montesdeoca, has just published a work that should be of interest to members of the list: an edition and Spanish translation of Domenico Silvestri's De insulis et earum proprietatibus (On Islands and Their Properties), an encyclopedia of the worlds islands compiled between 1385 and 1406. Here is some information about the book (sorry about the lack of accents): Los Islarios de la epoca del Humanismo: el De Insulis de Domenico Silvestri. Edicion y traduccion Jose Manuel Montesdeoca 760 pp. in PDF (Adobe Acrobat) on CD-ROM, PC and Macintosh compatible ISBN 84-688-4351-2; order the CD titled Tesis Doctorales, Curso 2000/2001, Humanidades y Ciencias Sociales, ISBN 84-7756-556-2, which also contains other La Laguna dissertations Price: 6 euros Available November, 2004 Servicio de Publicaciones Universidad de La Laguna Santa Cruz de Tenerife SPAIN Tel: +922 319198 Fax: +922 258127 E-mail: svpubl@ull.es http://www.ull.es/servicios/serviciopublicaciones/principal.htm _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: overlee@verizon.net To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] NYTimes.com Article: Arthur H. Robinson, 89, Dies; Reinterpreted World Map Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:00:43 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl The article below from NYTimes.com has been sent to you by overlee@verizon.net. Arthur H. Robinson died on October 10. Today, Novembe 15, The New York Times published this obituary. Martin Torodash overlee@verizon.net /--------- E-mail Sponsored by Fox Searchlight ------------\ SIDEWAYS - NOW PLAYING IN SELECT CITIES An official selection of the New York Film Festival and the Toronto International Film Festival, SIDEWAYS is the new comedy from Alexander Payne, director of ELECTION and ABOUT SCHMIDT. Starring Paul Giamatti, Thomas Haden Church, Sandra Oh and Virginia Madsen. Watch the trailer at: http://www.foxsearchlight.com/sideways/index_nyt.html \----------------------------------------------------------/ Arthur H. Robinson, 89, Dies; Reinterpreted World Map November 15, 2004 By JOHN NOBLE WILFORD Dr. Arthur H. Robinson, a geographer who improved on the venerable Mercator projection for drawing the round Earth on a flat map, died on Oct. 10 in Madison, Wis. He was 89. His death, after a brief illness, was announced by the University of Wisconsin, where he was an emeritus professor of geography and cartography. In a career of teaching, writing and research, Dr. Robinson always found time, as mapmakers have for centuries, to look for the best possible solution to cartography's frustrating "Greenland problem." On maps drawn according to the most familiar projection, devised by Gerardus Mercator in the 16th century, Greenland appears to be about the size of South America, though it is actually no larger than Mexico. The distortion is a result of the compromises inherent in representing a sphere on a flat piece of paper. If the shapes of land masses are correct, the sizes will be distorted, and vice versa. If lower latitudes are close to reality on maps, then the polar regions will be grossly misshaped. In 1963, Dr. Robinson devised his own map projection. He had been dissatisfied with existing projections since his experience as director of the map division of the Office of Strategic Services in World War II. "I started with a kind of artistic approach," Dr. Robinson said in a 1988 interview in The New York Times. "I visualized the best-looking shapes and sizes. I worked with the variables until it got to the point where, if I changed one of them, it didn't get any better." Only then, he said, did he "figure out the mathematical formula to produce that effect." For his projection, Dr. Robinson chose 38 degrees north and 38 degrees south as the standard parallels. This established the two places on the map where both size and shape are most accurate in the middle of the temperate zone, where most of the land and people are. The Robinson projection was eventually adopted by the National Geographic Society for use in some of its world maps. It is also the basis for maps by several federal agencies and the world atlases of Rand McNally. Dr. Joel L. Morrison, a former president of the American Congress on Surveying and Mapping and a government geographer, said that Dr. Robinson was "a major contributor to the creation of a solid foundation for the development of cartographic science" in the 20th century. Born in Montreal on Jan. 5, 1915, to American parents, Arthur Robinson was educated at Miami University in Ohio and received a doctorate at Ohio State in 1947. After his service with military intelligence in the war, he joined the Wisconsin faculty, where he spent the rest of his career. Dr. Robinson's textbook, "Elements of Cartography," published in 1953, is now in its sixth edition and still widely used in university courses. His honors include the presidency of the International Cartographic Association and medals from the American Geographical Society and the British Cartographic Society. The map library at Wisconsin is named for him. Survivors include his wife, Martha E. Robinson of Madison; a son, Stephen M., of Madison; a daughter, Patricia A. Robinson of Sonoita, Ariz.; and two grandchildren. His first wife of more than 50 years, the former Mary Elizabeth Coffin, died in 1992. http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/15/obituaries/15robinson.html?ex=1101566843&ei=1&en=abc1a518002e1c82 --------------------------------- Get Home Delivery of The New York Times Newspaper. Imagine reading The New York Times any time & anywhere you like! Leisurely catch up on events & expand your horizons. Enjoy now for 50% off Home Delivery! 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List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Dr. Hanno V. J. KOLBE" To: Subject: [MapHist] HIC realiter SVNT LEONES Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 10:07:56 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-AntiVirus: checked by Vexira MailArmor (version: 2.0.2-6; VAE: 6.28.0.12; VDF: 6.28.0.74; host: smtp.evc.net) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Dear List Members, after contacting the British Library, I was guided to the following search result: http://www.imagesonline.bl.uk/britishlibrary/controller/textsearch?text=Tiberius+map which supposedly shows the mentioning of lions. As the blow-up is not detailed enough, I have decided to order the map (TIF file, .... not the original...) Thanks for your help to get me there ! Sincerely Dr. Hanno V. J. Kolbe, HIC LEONES (EURL) www.HicLeones.com Historisch-geographische Enzyklopädie der Welt (1880-1898) auf CD 6, rue des Tuiliers, F-67204 Achenheim Frankreich/Old Europe Tel. 00-33-3-88-96-19-85, Fax. 00-33-3-88-96-17-01 IC No. (UStId Nr.) FR87444323075 SIRET 44432307500010 > _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Barber, Peter" To: "'maphist@geog.uu.nl'" Subject: RE: [MapHist] HIC realiter SVNT LEONES Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 11:20:13 -0000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Dear all Dr Kolbe does not need to pay for a copy of the Anglo-Saxon world map (though he would be most welcome to do so!). If he goes to the CollectBritain site, which forms part of the British Library website under services to the general public, and clicks under 'Uncovering Britain' he will see that the map is one of the 'Curator's Choices'. If he clicks on that he will get a thumbnail sketch of the map which can be enlarged by clicking on 'zoomable image' at the left. He can then navigate himself to the top of the map and, above the image of a lion, he will be able to read the words 'hic abundant leones' - not exactly the words he is looking for but, I hope, close enough. The whole of the 'Uncovering Britain' subset will go online next month and includes over 300 manuscript and printed maps and images of the British Isles dating from about 800 to 1600: all available for free inspection! You can get a taster now from the 'Curator's Choice' examples. You may also like to know that about 3000 drawings, watercolours and views of Britain and the British Empire, drawn from King George III's Topographical Collection, the whole of the Crace Collection of maps of London and all the preliminary drawings for the first edition Ordnance Survey one inch to the mile maps of England and Wales of ca. 1800-1840 are also available on the 'CollectBritain' site. I hope all list members will visit and enjoy! Best wishes Peter Peter Barber MA, FSA, FRHistS Head of Map Collections Map Library British Library 96 Euston Road London NW1 2DB tel.(020) 7412 7701 fax (020) 7412 7780 -----Original Message----- From: Dr. Hanno V. J. KOLBE [mailto:hicleones@evc.net] Sent: 16 November 2004 09:08 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] HIC realiter SVNT LEONES Dear List Members, after contacting the British Library, I was guided to the following search result: http://www.imagesonline.bl.uk/britishlibrary/controller/textsearch?text=Tibe rius+map which supposedly shows the mentioning of lions. As the blow-up is not detailed enough, I have decided to order the map (TIF file, .... not the original...) Thanks for your help to get me there ! Sincerely Dr. Hanno V. J. Kolbe, HIC LEONES (EURL) www.HicLeones.com Historisch-geographische Enzyklopädie der Welt (1880-1898) auf CD 6, rue des Tuiliers, F-67204 Achenheim Frankreich/Old Europe Tel. 00-33-3-88-96-19-85, Fax. 00-33-3-88-96-17-01 IC No. (UStId Nr.) FR87444323075 SIRET 44432307500010 > _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info ************************************************************************** Experience the British Library online at www.bl.uk Help the British Library conserve the world's knowledge. Adopt a Book. www.bl.uk/adoptabook ************************************************************************* The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the postmaster@bl.uk : The contents of this e-mail must not be disclosed or copied without the sender's consent. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the British Library. The British Library does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. ************************************************************************* _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Originating-IP: [24.188.202.15] X-Originating-Email: [gastaldo@msn.com] X-Sender: gastaldo@msn.com From: "Douglas Sims" To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] Francis Herbert retires as Imago Mundi's Bibliographer Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 00:31:01 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Nov 2004 05:32:00.0663 (UTC) FILETIME=[C32FB270:01C4CC66] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl I had not checked MapHist for a few days. One very hearty cheer for Francis Herbert, whose outstanding bibliographies have provided such a thorough and accessible overview of the literature of the history of cartography for so many years. These bibliographies have always been the most valuable ongoing resource in our field. It is not uncommon for scholarly works to contain information, the presence of which cannot be immediately divined from the work's title, and I am sure that I will be speaking for many in observing that such information would have sometimes passed me by unnoticed had I not been alerted by the extensive annotations in Francis's bibliographies. Hats off to Nick Millea as well for assuring the continuation of this vital Imago Mundi feature. Doug Sims dougsims1945@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. 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List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Cook, Andrew" To: "'maphist@geog.uu.nl'" , *Lismaps Subject: [MapHist] Royal Siamese Maps: Lecture 17 Nov 2004 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 07:48:25 -0000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl This is probably only for the record, as the notice (also to me) is very short: ROYAL SIAMESE MAPS: A LOST WORLD RE-DISCOVERED Lecture by Professor Philip Stott, followed by a reception Wednesday 17 November 2004, The Society of Antiquaries, Burlington House, Piccadilly, London W1, 6.30-8.00 p.m. Tickets UKP7.00 from Asia House www.asiahouse.org 020 7499 1287 In 1996, eighteen hand-drawn and hand-coloured old cotton maps were discovered in a quiet part of the Grand Palace, Bangkok. These long-lost treasures record cartographically Siamese warfare and trade during the first three reigns of the Bangkok Period (1782-1851). Works of art in themselves, the maps are full of historical detail as primary sources. They are now preserved and stored in the Library of HRH Princess Maha Chakri Sirindhorn in Bangkok. This illustrated lecture, presented in association with the Anglo-Thai Society, celebrates the launch of a new book 'Royal Siamese Maps' by Dr Santanee Phasuk and Professor Philip Stott and published by River Books. Philip Stott is Emeritus Professor of Geography at the School of Oriental and African Studies, University of London. Posted from information received by Andrew S Cook PhD Map Archivist, India Office Records The British Library 96 Euston Road London NW1 2DB Telephone +44 (20) 7412 7828 Fax +44 (20) 7412 7641 ************************************************************************** Experience the British Library online at www.bl.uk Help the British Library conserve the world's knowledge. Adopt a Book. www.bl.uk/adoptabook ************************************************************************* The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the postmaster@bl.uk : The contents of this e-mail must not be disclosed or copied without the sender's consent. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the British Library. The British Library does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. ************************************************************************* _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 23:08:10 +0000 From: Doug Weller To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] Google Scholar X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Hi, Google Scholar enables you to search specifically for scholarly literature, including peer-reviewed papers, theses, books, preprints, abstracts and technical reports from all broad areas of research. Use Google Scholar to find articles from a wide variety of academic publishers, professional societies, preprint repositories and universities, as well as scholarly articles available across the web. Just as with Google Web Search, Google Scholar orders your search results by how relevant they are to your query, so the most useful references should appear at the top of the page. This relevance ranking takes into account the full text of each article as well as the article's author, the publication in which the article appeared and how often it has been cited in scholarly literature. Google Scholar also automatically analyzes and extracts citations and presents them as separate results, even if the documents they refer to are not online. This means your search results may include citations of older works and seminal articles that appear only in books or other offline publications. -- Doug Weller Moderator, sci.archaeology.moderated Submissions to:sci-archaeology-moderated@medieval.org Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.co.uk Doug and Helen's Dogs: http://www.dougandhelen.com _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 16:10:40 -0800 From: "Duane F. Marble" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: Re: [MapHist] Google Scholar X-Spam-Rating: mail.oregonfast.net 0/1/N X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl My trial of this was disappointing. I found two or three new things but it missed dozens and dozens of other "scientific" items. It was also less than useful to be sent to a publisher's web site that requires either a subscription or a per article payment (one asked for $37 for a two page book review!). Most researchers with access to a major university library will find better bibliographic resources available there. Doug Weller wrote: >Hi, > >Google Scholar enables you to search specifically for scholarly >literature, including peer-reviewed papers, theses, books, preprints, >abstracts and technical reports from all broad areas of research. Use >Google Scholar to find articles from a wide variety of academic >publishers, professional societies, preprint repositories and >universities, as well as scholarly articles available across the web. > >Just as with Google Web Search, Google Scholar orders your search >results by how relevant they are to your query, so the most useful >references should appear at the top of the page. This relevance ranking >takes into account the full text of each article as well as the >article's author, the publication in which the article appeared and how >often it has been cited in scholarly literature. Google Scholar also >automatically analyzes and extracts citations and presents them as >separate results, even if the documents they refer to are not online. >This means your search results may include citations of older works and >seminal articles that appear only in books or other offline >publications. > > > > -- Dr. Duane F. Marble Email: marble.1@osu.edu 2226 Primrose Lane Telephone: (541) 902-8837 Florence, OR 97439 Cell: (541) 991-1730 _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist-digest@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: terkla@mail.iwu.edu Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 08:11:35 -0600 To: maphist-digest@geog.uu.nl From: Dan Terkla Subject: [MapHist] Google Scholar? X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Ever heard of Google Scholar? Here's a puff and a review. Dan >MapHist-digest Friday, November 19 2004 Volume 01 : Number 810 > > > >In this issue: > > [MapHist] Google Scholar > Re: [MapHist] Google Scholar > >See http://www.maphist.nl for information about MapHist. > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 23:08:10 +0000 >From: Doug Weller >Subject: [MapHist] Google Scholar > >Hi, > >Google Scholar enables you to search specifically for scholarly >literature, including peer-reviewed papers, theses, books, preprints, >abstracts and technical reports from all broad areas of research. Use >Google Scholar to find articles from a wide variety of academic >publishers, professional societies, preprint repositories and >universities, as well as scholarly articles available across the web. > >Just as with Google Web Search, Google Scholar orders your search >results by how relevant they are to your query, so the most useful >references should appear at the top of the page. This relevance ranking >takes into account the full text of each article as well as the >article's author, the publication in which the article appeared and how >often it has been cited in scholarly literature. Google Scholar also >automatically analyzes and extracts citations and presents them as >separate results, even if the documents they refer to are not online. >This means your search results may include citations of older works and >seminal articles that appear only in books or other offline >publications. > > >- -- >Doug Weller Moderator, sci.archaeology.moderated >Submissions to:sci-archaeology-moderated@medieval.org >Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.co.uk >Doug and Helen's Dogs: http://www.dougandhelen.com > >_______________________________________________________________ >MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. >The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for >the views of the author. >List Information: http://www.maphist.info > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 16:10:40 -0800 >From: "Duane F. Marble" >Subject: Re: [MapHist] Google Scholar > >My trial of this was disappointing. I found two or three new things but >it missed dozens and >dozens of other "scientific" items. It was also less than useful to be >sent to a publisher's web >site that requires either a subscription or a per article payment (one >asked for $37 for a two >page book review!). Most researchers with access to a major university >library will find >better bibliographic resources available there. > >_______________________________________________________________ >MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. >The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for >the views of the author. >List Information: http://www.maphist.info > >------------------------------ > >End of MapHist-digest V1 #810 >***************************** > >List Information: http://www.maphist.nl _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist-digest@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: terkla@mail.iwu.edu Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:33:50 -0600 To: maphist-digest@geog.uu.nl From: Dan Terkla Subject: [MapHist] Fwd: Google Scholar? X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl My apologies for sending this to MapHist instead of my university librarian. Dan >Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 08:11:35 -0600 >To: maphist-digest@geog.uu.nl >From: Dan Terkla >Subject: Google Scholar? >Cc: >Bcc: >X-Attachments: > >Ever heard of Google Scholar? Here's a puff and a review. > >Dan -- ****************************** Dan Terkla Associate Professor of English, Humanities Coordinator English House Illinois Wesleyan University Bloomington, IL 61702-2900 USA Phone: 309-556-3649 Fax: 309-556-3545 "Nowher is so bisy a man as he there was, And yet he semed bisier than he was." --Geoffrey Chaucer _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Curt Griggs" To: Subject: [MapHist] Old World Auctions Catalog On-line Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:09:36 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621, Antispam-Engine: 2.0.2.0, Antispam-Data: 2004.11.18.39 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl The catalog for Sale 109 is on-line with 818 lots of fine maps, atlases, beautiful vintage prints, medieval manuscripts, and informative reference books. The auction will close on Wednesday, December 1, 2004 at 10 pm Eastern Time. Each lot is illustrated in full color with high resolution images available. With the high-resolution images you can zoom in to a very detailed look, almost as good as seeing the map first-hand! You will find a good selection of maps and atlases, from the rare and obscure to the more common. The auction includes many great maps from around the world including a good selection of Colonial Period maps, maps featuring the island of California, Western U.S. exploration, Republic of Texas and much more. Regards, Curt & Marti Griggs http://www.oldworldauctions.com _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Nick Millea To: nam@bodley.ox.ac.uk Subject: [MapHist] The Oxford Seminars in Cartography - confirmation Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 09:37:35 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) X-Mailer: Simeon for Win32 Version 4.1.5 Build (43) X-Authentication: none X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Dear All, [Apologies for cross-posting] THE OXFORD SEMINARS IN CARTOGRAPHY Confirmation of remaining dates for 2004-2005 Thursday 24 February Propaganda and cartography in the First World War Mike Heffernan (University of Nottingham) Thursday 2 June Paper to pixels: the digital manipulation of The Gough Map Rob Watts (Bournemouth University / Digi-Data Technologies Ltd) Seminars commence at 5pm in the School of Geography and the Environment, Oxford For further details contact nam@bodley.ox.ac.uk or 01865 287119 The Oxford Seminars in Cartography are supported by the Friends of TOSCA, ESRI (UK) Ltd, Oxford Cartographers, and the School of Geography and the Environment, University of Oxford ________________________________________________________ Nick Millea Map Librarian, Bodleian Library, Broad Street, Oxford, OX1 3BG tel : 01865 287119 fax : 01865 277139 email : nam@bodley.ox.ac.uk homepage: http://www.bodley.ox.ac.uk/guides/maps/ ________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Dh98pr6@cs.com Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 11:45:57 EST Subject: Re: [MapHist] Google Scholar? To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 8001 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl In a message dated 11/19/2004 9:11:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, terkla@iwu.edu writes:

Ever heard of Google Scholar?

Google Scholar just began service last Wednesday night. I tried it Thursday morning on some current research that I had used regular Google for over the past month. Scholar brought up the key references, but left out a number of lesser pages that I found had key leads to other sources. For the present, Scholar is for me a ready reference, but to be complete, I'd check not only regular Google but other search engines as well.

Henry Sirotin
Hunter College/CUNY X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 10:48:28 -0800 Subject: Re: [MapHist] The Oxford Seminars in Cartography - confirmation From: Len Berggren To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scanned: by antibody.sfu.ca running antivirus scanner X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Dear Nick, I enjoyed meeting you and some of your colleagues at November's meetiing of the OSC. And the club deserves congratulations not only on the fine dinner and wines they served us but on the quality of their accomodations for visiting scholars, (And thanks again for facilitating that for me.) I found OCS talk very interesting and wonder if you could give me the full name and institutional affiliation of your speaker. Many thanks, and best wishes, Len _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: maphist15@mail.maphist.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 20:38:54 +0100 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl (by way of List-owner MapHist ) Subject: [MapHist] FOI History Question X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS-perl11-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Non-member submission from [Ken Atherton ] Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 09:40:53 +0000 Can anyone help Catherine? (cthom@uottawa.ca) ------- Forwarded message follows ------- Hello, I'm a law student in Ottawa, Canada specializing in access to information law and have a question about a piece of British freedom of information history. Someone told me that there was a deliberate effort in the 17th century to make maps and charts available to the public. And that this somehow ties in with the discovery of the New World. Despite my best efforts, I can not locate information to confirm this tid bit of history. It would be greatly appreciated if you could point me in the right direction should you know of sources detailing this interesting matter. Kind regards, Catherine Thompson -- Ken Atherton British Cartographic Society Administration 12 Elworthy Drive Wellington Somerset TA21 9AT UK Tel/Fax 01823 665 775 http://www.cartography.org.uk This message is intended only for the use of the individual(s) to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this transmission in error; any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this transmission is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message and all of its attachments. _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Tom Woodsworth Subject: [MapHist] Manifest Destiny map Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:23:23 -0800 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Hello, Years ago in a high school social studies class, a teacher of mine showed to the class a very interesting map showcasing how the American Congress at the time recommended partitioning Canada into various states. (Perhaps in the eve of the War of 1812? I can't seem to remember.) The map is supposedly available at the Library of Congress, but I have had zero luck in a last couple of years tracking this down through either their website or various other historical map websites. Does this ring any bells? Thanks, Tom Woodsworth Victoria, Canada _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 14:53:33 -0900 From: Dee Longenbaugh Subject: Re: [MapHist] Manifest Destiny map X-Sender: deelong@mail.gci.net To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl You might try Google's new feature. Go to Google, check "more" and then on to "Google Scholar". A quick trip there showed several possibilities. Good luck! Dee At 3:23 PM -0800 11/20/04, Tom Woodsworth wrote: >Hello, > > >Years ago in a high school social studies class, a teacher of mine >showed to the class a very interesting map showcasing how the >American Congress at the time recommended partitioning Canada into >various states. (Perhaps in the eve of the War of 1812? I can't seem >to remember.) > >The map is supposedly available at the Library of Congress, but I >have had zero luck in a last couple of years tracking this down >through either their website or various other historical map >websites. > >Does this ring any bells? > >Thanks, > >Tom Woodsworth >Victoria, Canada > >_______________________________________________________________ -- The Observatory, ABAA 200 North Franklin Street Juneau, Alaska 99801 907/586-9676 fax 907/586-9606 deelong@alaska.com http://www.observatorybooks.com Since 1977 _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 00:05:12 -0500 (EST) From: gretchen gaynor To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: Re: [MapHist] The Oxford Seminars in Cartography - confirmation X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at eecs.harvard.edu X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl this should not be in my inbox ---------------------- Gretchen Edison Gaynor ---------------------- _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Malcolm Anderson" To: Subject: [MapHist] SURVEYING AND MAPPING HISTORY : NORTHERN NIGERIA Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 13:44:00 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl DO NOT USE YOUR EMAIL REPLY FUNCTION TO RESPOND TO THIS ANNOUNCEMENT. MAKE SURE ANY MESSAGE COMES TO ME AND IS NOT SENT TO THE ENTIRE LIST. John McIlwaine, who in 1997 compiled a resource guide to the maps and mapping of Africa, said:- "The transformation of the cartographic record of Africa during the last two or three decades of colonial rule, continuing into the first decade or so of the newly independent states of Africa, has now been recognised as the really significant period in the cartographic history of the continent. Uniquely detailed records of the landscapes of Africa were compiled in the course of that work, landscapes which are rapidly changing as populations increase exponentially in parts of the continent". Members of the list may be interested to learn of the publication in 2004 of a book entitled 'The Geographic Labourers of Arewa' - the Story of the Northern Nigerian Survey. The British established the political boundaries of the former Northern Nigeria at the beginning of the 20th century. When they left 60 years later there was a movement in favour of the territory becoming an independent state named Arewa (meaning 'north' in the Hausa language), a short-lived dream which, in the face of Nigerian national unity, was as stillborn as the ill-fated Biafra. This book describes in detail, from first hand experience, hitherto unrecorded aspects of the pioneering work which took place in this fascinating and turbulent part of Africa. It is an expatriate view of a small part of Nigeria's history and is an attempt to illustrate some rather specialised and hitherto little recorded aspects of the changes and developments which came about during the period of British influence. It makes no apologies for not being written by Nigerians. The professional work of surveying, mapping and planning was done for the Nigerians, a great deal of it was done by them, but without doubt during the period with which the book is concerned the motivation, the leadership, the professional example, the training and the technical innovation came largely from European, mainly British, sources. The book brings together some of the memories of a representative cross section of officers and their wives, working in a specialised field, pursuing their own personal career ambitions, who served in the Northern Region during the progressive decade and a half which spanned Nigeria’s achievement of independence. It is based on diaries, research, details of surveying operations and contributions describing everyday life, some in light-hearted anecdotal form, from a number of individuals with a common professional background who served from the 1940s to the 1970s, a period of transition from colonial status to independence, civil uprising and military rule. The contributors remember a period of their lives in which they take some pride, about a country to which many of them became very attached, and where they developed an abiding affection for its peoples and their future. Time spent in Northern Nigeria forms an indelible memory for them. Through their commitment, their curiosity and their cartographic achievements they came to know more about the geography of the country than did many Nigerians, particularly the ordinary people, many of whom were very parochial indeed. Conditions, and attendant risks, have changed so much over the past few decades that it is extremely unlikely that a traveller today could experience, or begin to understand, the conditions under which those officers worked, and what motivated them, and would be unable to rekindle the incredible accord and close relationships with the indigenous peoples which were enjoyed by those who lived there and spoke the local languages. The book tries to record their contribution toward the establishment of an accurate and efficient system of land record, planning, apportionment and administration, similar to systems being inaugurated in so many other developing parts of the world. As a result of these efforts, Northern Nigeria was provided with the opportunity to build upon a working model and an expanding cartographic archive for its changing needs, or allow it to decay through apathy and misuse. The huge impact of technological changes on the world of surveying and mapping was only beginning to be felt when the Northern Nigerian Survey became a victim of the administrative changes which swept Nigeria in the late 1960s. Electronics had begun to make an impact on the mapping profession at about the same time and revolutionary new calculators and distance-measuring instruments appeared. The only way to chart the country had been to get out on the ground and measure it using long-established surveying methods. The only aids to the formidable volume of mathematical work were well-thumbed books of logarithms and trigonometrical functions. Large matrix calculations for the least squares adjustment of control networks, which can nowadays be done almost in the blinking of an eye, were formidable chores involving many hours, even days, of concentrated mental and physical effort using hand-cranked calculating machines. Today's electronic measuring devices, GPS satellites, computers and airborne instruments have rendered obsolete and uneconomical many of the methods described in the work. Although 'state of the art' at the time these 'traditional' methods must now be regarded as increasingly old fashioned but they were applied assiduously to pioneer the first true, and many would say beautiful, mapping of the country, to assist the emergence and development of the economy of a newly independent state and to set an example for land recording and administration for the future. Following the long period of World War II and post-war austerity, suitably qualified senior staff, modern equipment and improved surveying methods became more readily available. The professions no longer had to take second place to military service. The dedication, optimism and foresight of a few experienced surveyors who had been in service before the war led to the build-up of a progressive and committed surveying organisation to serve the needs of a vast underdeveloped region with its great, largely agricultural, potential. A policy of regionalisation set up a department to serve the specific needs of a huge area of Nigeria which had always suffered, and was indeed in the future destined to continue suffering, a great paucity of local indigenous recruits to the profession of land surveying. Expatriates recruited to the service were generally well educated, technically skilled and practical people, with a good grounding of mathematics and specifically trained in photogrammetry and cartography. A military-like discipline was a hallmark of surveying practice and went hand in hand with the planning and conduct of control and mapping projects. For their efforts these people were not exceptionally well paid, living conditions could be basic and career prospects rather limited, but rewards came with the responsibilities of the work and the opportunity to practise their skills in a challenging environment, believing they were making an important contribution to the development of the country in which they had chosen to work. The story of the Northern Nigerian Survey cannot be told without reference to the events which preceded its formation, which influenced its operation, and which led to its demise. It must surely be the dream of any nation, particularly a newly independent one, to stumble upon almost unlimited reserves of oil and gas. The present situation in Nigeria demonstrates that this good fortune can confer mixed blessings. Before Independence, a system of surveying, mapping and planning was established to serve a country with a steadily growing agricultural, but increasingly industrialised, economy, but not one based on oil revenues. As time went by, the services, infrastructure and administrative systems of the past became increasingly unable to cope with the radical changes in the attitudes, morals and ambitions of its peoples. The story therefore begins in Part 1 by setting the scene; gives a glimpse of the North, its history, its complex ethnic mix, its economy; the creation of a new nation; and some of the principal political events. Parts 2 and 3, give a detailed account of the development and work of government land surveying departments based in Lagos but focus upon the Northern Nigerian Survey, an organisation as doomed to extinction as 'Arewa' itself but which, during its short life, played a fundamental part in land administration and regional development and was a leader in the most productive period of mapping that West Africa had ever seen. Part 4 contains first hand accounts of the work, the lives, the relationships, the experiences and the opinions of the expatriate 'Geographic Labourers' (a title borrowed from a quoted poem by Wordsworth and used here to include surveyors, town planners, cartographers in their various guises, lithographers and all the support staff without whom the Survey could not have functioned). Part 5 concludes the book with some final observations and conclusions and is followed by 15 varied appendices elaborating on items mentioned in the main text, including, amongst other subjects, details of the contributors and their colleagues, Hausa words and expressions, the work of the British Directorate of Overseas Surveys, 144 coloured and 95 black and white glossy photographs, 42 map extracts printed on glossy paper and a lengthy bibliography. This heavy book is hard bound and contains a total of 490 pages in A4 format. Author/Editor/Publisher: Malcolm Frank Anderson BSc FRICS FInstCES Printed by Cranfield University Press 2004 ISBN 1-871315-84-0 THIS BOOK IS AVAILABLE AT COST PRICE AND NO PROFIT IS BEING MADE FROM SALES Copies deposited at the British Library, with the Agent for the Libraries of the Universities of Oxford and Cambridge, the National Library of Scotland, the Library of Trinity College Dublin and the National Library of Wales. For more details, copies of published reviews and availability please e-mail: malcolm.anderson@ukgateway.net. _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Mario Dorigo" To: Subject: [MapHist] 7th European Map Fair in Breda, Netherlands Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 15:55:00 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl

Dear Maphisters

The 7th European Map Fair will again be held in the "Grote Kerk" (City Church) of Breda with its magnificent tower of 100 meters in the city centre (just an hour and a half by train from Amsterdam or Brussels).

The fair is open next Friday 26th Nov (14-20 hours) and Saturday 27th Nov (11-17 hours).

Well-known dealers from Europe and the US will make your visit worthwhile. The fair is as usual extended with a map exhibition that featured already in the city museum of Utrecht about the use of maps during the centuries.

We will also present a very rare large wall map (2 m2) of the province of Brabant by Fricx/ Crepy, 1746.

Mario Dorigo

Foundation Historical Cartography of the Netherlands

See also our website www.histocart.nl

X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 10:50:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [MapHist] Manifest Destiny map From: To: X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.7) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Tom, Although not the map you are looking for, and, with sincere apologies to my friend Ed Dahl, there are two such maps at the following website. http://members.aol.com/xpus/canada.html For a reality check, it must be remembered that for any "territory" to become a state of the United States, the individuals of that "territory" must vote to become part of the US. I wouldn't take odds on that particular vote! You might also try finding the book "The Invasion of Canada: Battles of the War of 1812", which might have additional information for your search. Good Luck! Don McGuirk > Hello, > > > Years ago in a high school social studies class, a teacher of mine showed to the > class a very interesting map showcasing how the American Congress at the time > recommended partitioning Canada into various states. (Perhaps in the eve of the > War of 1812? I can't seem to > remember.) > > The map is supposedly available at the Library of Congress, but I have had zero > luck in a last couple of years tracking this down through either their website or > various other historical map websites. > > Does this ring any bells? > > Thanks, > > Tom Woodsworth > Victoria, Canada > > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and > do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of > Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.info _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Mathieu Franssen" To: Subject: Re: [MapHist] 7th European Map Fair in Breda, Netherlands Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 23:34:20 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl

Prima.

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From: Mario Dorigo

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Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 3:55 PM

Subject: [MapHist] 7th European Map Fair in Breda, Netherlands

Dear Maphisters

The 7th European Map Fair will again be held in the "Grote Kerk" (City Church) of Breda with its magnificent tower of 100 meters in the city centre (just an hour and a half by train from Amsterdam or Brussels).

The fair is open next Friday 26th Nov (14-20 hours) and Saturday 27th Nov (11-17 hours).

Well-known dealers from Europe and the US will make your visit worthwhile. The fair is as usual extended with a map exhibition that featured already in the city museum of Utrecht about the use of maps during the centuries.

We will also present a very rare large wall map (2 m2) of the province of Brabant by Fricx/ Crepy, 1746.

Mario Dorigo

Foundation Historical Cartography of the Netherlands

See also our website www.histocart.nl

X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: F.Herbert@RGS.org To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Cc: lis-maps@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [MapHist] Mercator book (*not* the Crane!) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:33:33 -0000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl

Having mentioned this new book to the editors of two cartographic history journals (no names, in order to spare blushes from 'Imago Mundi' and 'Map Forum') last Tuesday I wondered if anyone was aware of this new book on Gerard Mercator (sr). For your education or amusement, therefore, I provide details (in 'IM Bibliography' *provisional* entry style):-

The world of Gerard Mercator, the mapmaker who revolutionised geography / Andrew Taylor. - London : HarperCollins, 2004. - xii,291p. : ill., maps, portr. (including 1 col. on front of dust-jacket) ; 23 cm. - Bibliogr.: p.271-274. - Notes (to all chapters): p.257-269. - Portr. are of Charles V (oils of Titian), C. Columbus (oils), J. Dee (engr.), G. Frisius (engr.), M. Frobisher (oils [?]), A. de Granvelle (engr.), M. Luther (MS), G. Mercator sr (x 3), A. Ortelius (engr.), & of C. Plantin (engr.). - ISBN 0-00-710080-9 (HB). - ISBN 0-00-720172-9 (TPB)

Francis Herbert

f.herbert@rgs.org

http://www.rgs.org [see 'Collections' - including some online catalogues]

X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: antarcticcircle@pop.dc2.adelphia.net Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:15:46 -0500 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Robert Stephenson Subject: [MapHist] Map Collectors' Circle: Permission to web publish X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Dear List, I would like to include Tooley's 'Maps of Antarctica' (Map Collectors' Series No. 2, 1963) on the website I coordinate, antarctic-circle.org. (This monograph appeared later in Tooley's 'The Mapping of Australia and Antarctica', 2nd revised edition 1985.) The copyright notice gives the holder as Map Collectors' Circle which ceased publication in 1975. Can anyone suggest the procedure I might follow in seeking permission to include the monograph on this non-commercial website? Would permission indeed be necessary if the source were to be fully acknowledge? Thanks you Robert B. Stephenson *-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-* The Antarctic Circle: http://www.antarctic-circle.org Robert B. Stephenson, Coordinator P. O. Box 435, Jaffrey, NH 03452-0435 USA Tel: 603-532-6066. E-mail: antarcticcircle@adelphia.net *-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-* _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:48:17 -0500 From: John Woram Subject: Re: [MapHist] Map Collectors' Circle: Permission to web publish X-Sender: john@woram.com@mail.woram.com (Unverified) To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl >Robert Stephenson wrote: "Can anyone suggest the procedure I might follow >in seeking permission to include the [Tooley] monograph on this >non-commercial website? Robert, there was a similar inquiry here a few weeks ago, pertaining to a different publication, but I believe the general procedure is the same. That is, the copyright notice you see in the publication pertains *only* to the pages within that publication. So, you may not reproduce (via photocopy, scanner, etc.) those pages without the permission of the publication. However, the actual content (the words, perhaps the illustrations too) remains the intellectual property of the author, whose permission would be required to re-use it--or in the case of a deceased author, the permission of the estate. John Woram _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Matthew Champion" To: Subject: RE: [MapHist] Map Collectors' Circle: Permission to web publish Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:26:46 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Dear John In most cases you are correct. The copyright notice refers to the layout and design of the pages in the magazine in question. The intellectual copyright remains with the author, heirs and assignees. However, there are a number of very common exceptions. 1. If an article was accepted for publication on the understanding that it would be the copyright of the publication (as I believe is the case with Imago Mundi) 2. If the article was specifically commissioned for and paid for by the publication and the author did not specifically withhold copyright. 3. If the article was published on the understanding of joint copyright holding. If in doubt - always check with the author, heirs or assignees Regards Matt Champion > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl > [mailto:owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl] On Behalf Of John Woram > Sent: 22 November 2004 18:48 > To: maphist@geog.uu.nl > Subject: Re: [MapHist] Map Collectors' Circle: Permission to > web publish > > > > >Robert Stephenson wrote: "Can anyone suggest the procedure I might > >follow > >in seeking permission to include the [Tooley] monograph on this > >non-commercial website? > > Robert, there was a similar inquiry here a few weeks ago, > pertaining to a > different publication, but I believe the general procedure is > the same. > That is, the copyright notice you see in the publication > pertains *only* to > the pages within that publication. So, you may not reproduce (via > photocopy, scanner, etc.) those pages without the permission of the > publication. However, the actual content (the words, perhaps the > illustrations too) remains the intellectual property of the > author, whose > permission would be required to re-use it--or in the case of > a deceased > author, the permission of the estate. > > John Woram > > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of > cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University > of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this > message are those of the author and do not necessarily > reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of > Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the > author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info > _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] carto journals for JStor To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.4 June 8, 2000 From: ahudson@nypl.org Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:13:54 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on MHTMAIL02/MHT/Nypl(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 11/22/2004 03:13:55 PM X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl What suggestions do folks have for JStor, re cartographic journals full text online? Acta Cartographica comes to mind Map Collectors Circle Map Collector Internat. Jahrbuch... others? We have an intern/contact in the NY office, so would pass along a nice list for them to consider if you wish. Alice C. Hudson Chief, Map Division The Humanities and Social Sciences Library The New York Public Library 5th Avenue & 42nd Street, Room 117 New York, NY 10018-2788 ahudson@nypl.org; 212-930-0589; fax 212-930-0027 http://nypl.org/research/chss/map/map.html The true meaning of life is to plant trees, under whose shade you do not expect to sit. - Nelson Henderson _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:33:28 -0600 From: Angie Cope Organization: American Geographical Society Library User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: maphist Subject: [MapHist] Novi Belgii, quod nunc Novi Jorck vocatur by Ogilby X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.44 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Greetings everyone, I am cataloging a facsimile map for my library. I looked on "Worldcat" and all the other maps similar to this seem to be dated around 1670. The title is: Novi Belgii, quod nunc Novi Jorck vocatur, Novae q[ue] Angliae & partis Virginiae : accuratissima et novissima delineatio. The other maps from Worldcat indicate that this would be from "America, London 1670" by John Ogilby. The facsimile I'm holding has a note reading "Fac-simile of a map which is supposed to have been printed about A.D. 1635 and now in the War Department." Another note reads: "Published by authority of the Hon. the Secretary of War in the Office of the Chief of Engineers, U.S. Army, 1876." It's a black and white map mounted on linen with the decorative cartouche showing native peoples and some wild game. I guess I'm just confused and not sure where to look. Is it possible that this isn't from an Ogilby map or is it more likely that the item from the War Dept. was dated incorrectly back in 1876? Hmmm? Any advice or comment is appreciated! -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Angie ************************************************** ANGIE COPE, Academic Map Librarian American Geographical Society Library UW Milwaukee Libraries 2311 E. Hartford Avenue Milwaukee, Wisconsin 53201 http://www.uwm.edu/Libraries/AGSL/index.html Hours: 8:00am-4:30pm acope@uwm.edu (414) 229-6282 (800) 558-8993 (US TOLL FREE) (414) 229-3624 (FAX) ************************************************** _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:37:54 -0600 From: Catherine Hodge User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: Re: [MapHist] Novi Belgii, quod nunc Novi Jorck vocatur by Ogilby X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.44 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Perhaps in 1876, the War Dept. published the facsimile of the Ogilby map ? Angie Cope wrote: > Greetings everyone, > > I am cataloging a facsimile map for my library. I looked on "Worldcat" > and all the other maps similar to this seem to be dated around 1670. > The title is: > Novi Belgii, quod nunc Novi Jorck vocatur, Novae q[ue] Angliae & > partis Virginiae : accuratissima et novissima delineatio. The other > maps from Worldcat indicate that this would be from "America, London > 1670" by John Ogilby. > > The facsimile I'm holding has a note reading "Fac-simile of a map > which is supposed to have been printed about A.D. 1635 and now in the > War Department." Another note reads: "Published by authority of the > Hon. the Secretary of War in the Office of the Chief of Engineers, > U.S. Army, 1876." It's a black and white map mounted on linen with the > decorative cartouche showing native peoples and some wild game. > > I guess I'm just confused and not sure where to look. Is it possible > that this isn't from an Ogilby map or is it more likely that the item > from the War Dept. was dated incorrectly back in 1876? Hmmm? > > Any advice or comment is appreciated! > > -- Catherine Hodge-Bodart Associate Academic Librarian American Geographical Society Library UW Milwaukee Libraries P.O. Box 604 Milwaukee, Wisconsin 53201-0604 414/229-6282 chodge@uwm.edu _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:41:27 -0600 From: Angie Cope Organization: American Geographical Society Library User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: Re: [MapHist] Novi Belgii, quod nunc Novi Jorck vocatur by Ogilby X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.44 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Exactly - but they said it was 1635 where as all others seem to be 1670. So, is the 1635 correct or not?? Catherine Hodge wrote: > Perhaps in 1876, the War Dept. published the facsimile of the Ogilby > map ? > > Angie Cope wrote: > >> Greetings everyone, >> >> I am cataloging a facsimile map for my library. I looked on >> "Worldcat" and all the other maps similar to this seem to be dated >> around 1670. The title is: >> Novi Belgii, quod nunc Novi Jorck vocatur, Novae q[ue] Angliae & >> partis Virginiae : accuratissima et novissima delineatio. The other >> maps from Worldcat indicate that this would be from "America, London >> 1670" by John Ogilby. >> >> The facsimile I'm holding has a note reading "Fac-simile of a map >> which is supposed to have been printed about A.D. 1635 and now in the >> War Department." Another note reads: "Published by authority of the >> Hon. the Secretary of War in the Office of the Chief of Engineers, >> U.S. Army, 1876." It's a black and white map mounted on linen with >> the decorative cartouche showing native peoples and some wild game. >> >> I guess I'm just confused and not sure where to look. Is it possible >> that this isn't from an Ogilby map or is it more likely that the item >> from the War Dept. was dated incorrectly back in 1876? Hmmm? >> >> Any advice or comment is appreciated! >> >> > -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Angie ************************************************** ANGIE COPE, Academic Map Librarian American Geographical Society Library UW Milwaukee Libraries 2311 E. Hartford Avenue Milwaukee, Wisconsin 53201 http://www.uwm.edu/Libraries/AGSL/index.html Hours: 8:00am-4:30pm acope@uwm.edu (414) 229-6282 (800) 558-8993 (US TOLL FREE) (414) 229-3624 (FAX) ************************************************** _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 16:45:06 -0500 From: "Edward James Redmond" To: Subject: Re: [MapHist] Novi Belgii, quod nunc Novi Jorck vocatur by Ogilby X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Angie: Your map title appears to correspond to items 21 and 22 in Tony Campbell's "New Light on the Jansson-Visscher Maps of New England" found in "Map Collectors Circle" volume 24. Campbell does not list a 1635 plate. The earliest plate mentioned in this series is 1651 and bears a different title. See McCorkle, "New England In Early Printed Maps" #671.1 and Burden, "Maps of North America" #251 for the 1670ish versions. Ed Redmond Reference Specialist Geography and Map Division Library of Congress 101 Independence Ave, SE Washington, DC 20540-4650 (202) 707-8548 ered@loc.gov >>> acope@uwm.edu 11/22/2004 3:41:27 PM >>> Exactly - but they said it was 1635 where as all others seem to be 1670. So, is the 1635 correct or not?? Catherine Hodge wrote: > Perhaps in 1876, the War Dept. published the facsimile of the Ogilby > map ? > > Angie Cope wrote: > >> Greetings everyone, >> >> I am cataloging a facsimile map for my library. I looked on >> "Worldcat" and all the other maps similar to this seem to be dated >> around 1670. The title is: >> Novi Belgii, quod nunc Novi Jorck vocatur, Novae q[ue] Angliae & >> partis Virginiae : accuratissima et novissima delineatio. The other >> maps from Worldcat indicate that this would be from "America, London >> 1670" by John Ogilby. >> >> The facsimile I'm holding has a note reading "Fac-simile of a map >> which is supposed to have been printed about A.D. 1635 and now in the >> War Department." Another note reads: "Published by authority of the >> Hon. the Secretary of War in the Office of the Chief of Engineers, >> U.S. Army, 1876." It's a black and white map mounted on linen with >> the decorative cartouche showing native peoples and some wild game. >> >> I guess I'm just confused and not sure where to look. Is it possible >> that this isn't from an Ogilby map or is it more likely that the item >> from the War Dept. was dated incorrectly back in 1876? Hmmm? >> >> Any advice or comment is appreciated! >> >> > -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Angie ************************************************** ANGIE COPE, Academic Map Librarian American Geographical Society Library UW Milwaukee Libraries 2311 E. Hartford Avenue Milwaukee, Wisconsin 53201 http://www.uwm.edu/Libraries/AGSL/index.html Hours: 8:00am-4:30pm acope@uwm.edu (414) 229-6282 (800) 558-8993 (US TOLL FREE) (414) 229-3624 (FAX) ************************************************** _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Batavier1@aol.com Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:08:26 EST Subject: Re: [MapHist] Novi Belgii, quod nunc Novi Jorck vocatur by Ogilby To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6808 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl For detailed information on your specific request, please see plates 8, 10, 13, 14
on http://www.library.fordham.edu/maps/maplisting.html
Hope this will be helpful, Joep de Koning X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=mLfpuOa/UO+OIMVKB+J54DtujlaD4ijoe1hH2ZXzon5/z0hpRIPWnYOPWQZXTnLlGOTTbFt/q0Hv0583L7R4ZGVqTMrrCNQuUbSjUe/98QHAigUPPmI5ow+qpwsT0fUY3IDNU9cY8C6uS2US6M9ttiSig7YmC6QNDDGdGbjA54g= Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 01:14:46 +0100 From: Andre Engels To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: Re: [MapHist] Novi Belgii, quod nunc Novi Jorck vocatur by Ogilby X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl I think the title would be dead giveaway that 1670, not 1635 is the correct date: "Novi Belgii, quod nunc Novi Jorck vocatur" would mean that it is (probably short) after the capture of New Amsterdam by the British, around 1664. Nobody would call the region "New York" in 1635. Andre Engels On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:33:28 -0600, Angie Cope wrote: > Greetings everyone, > > I am cataloging a facsimile map for my library. I looked on "Worldcat" > and all the other maps similar to this seem to be dated around 1670. The > title is: > Novi Belgii, quod nunc Novi Jorck vocatur, Novae q[ue] Angliae & partis > Virginiae : accuratissima et novissima delineatio. The other maps from > Worldcat indicate that this would be from "America, London 1670" by John > Ogilby. > > The facsimile I'm holding has a note reading "Fac-simile of a map which > is supposed to have been printed about A.D. 1635 and now in the War > Department." Another note reads: "Published by authority of the Hon. the > Secretary of War in the Office of the Chief of Engineers, U.S. Army, > 1876." It's a black and white map mounted on linen with the decorative > cartouche showing native peoples and some wild game. > > I guess I'm just confused and not sure where to look. Is it possible > that this isn't from an Ogilby map or is it more likely that the item > from the War Dept. was dated incorrectly back in 1876? Hmmm? > > Any advice or comment is appreciated! > > -- > Mit freundlichen Grüßen, > > Angie > > ************************************************** > > ANGIE COPE, Academic Map Librarian > American Geographical Society Library > UW Milwaukee Libraries > 2311 E. Hartford Avenue > Milwaukee, Wisconsin 53201 > > http://www.uwm.edu/Libraries/AGSL/index.html > Hours: 8:00am-4:30pm > acope@uwm.edu > (414) 229-6282 > (800) 558-8993 (US TOLL FREE) > (414) 229-3624 (FAX) > > ************************************************** > > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.info > _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: RE: [MapHist] carto journals for JStor Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:24:41 +0100 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [MapHist] carto journals for JStor Thread-Index: AcTQ0SFv6VU3AcaaSTuF4jT9iYTf8gAZCW3A From: "Joost Depuydt" To: X-Virus-Scanned: by KULeuven Antivirus Cluster X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Dear Alice, Have you thought about Caert-Thresoor? I know, it's in Dutch, but that's also the language of some of the most prominent cartographers in history;) Best regards, Joost Joost Depuydt University Library K.U.Leuven Mgr. Ladeuzeplein 21 B-3000 LEUVEN (België) tel. +32 16 32 46 08 fax +32 16 32 46 16 mailto:joost.depuydt@bib.kuleuven.ac.be http://www.bib.kuleuven.ac.be/ -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl [mailto:owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl] Namens ahudson@nypl.org Verzonden: maandag 22 november 2004 21:14 Aan: maphist@geog.uu.nl Onderwerp: [MapHist] carto journals for JStor What suggestions do folks have for JStor, re cartographic journals full text online? Acta Cartographica comes to mind Map Collectors Circle Map Collector Internat. Jahrbuch... others? We have an intern/contact in the NY office, so would pass along a nice list for them to consider if you wish. Alice C. Hudson Chief, Map Division The Humanities and Social Sciences Library The New York Public Library 5th Avenue & 42nd Street, Room 117 New York, NY 10018-2788 ahudson@nypl.org; 212-930-0589; fax 212-930-0027 http://nypl.org/research/chss/map/map.html The true meaning of life is to plant trees, under whose shade you do not expect to sit. - Nelson Henderson _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Originating-IP: [24.188.202.15] X-Originating-Email: [gastaldo@msn.com] X-Sender: gastaldo@msn.com From: "Douglas Sims" To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: RE: [MapHist] carto journals for JStor Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 03:32:25 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Nov 2004 08:33:00.0427 (UTC) FILETIME=[0A96ADB0:01C4D137] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Dear Alice (and MapHisters) This was indeed an offer I couldn't refuse! Strike while the iron is hot! I doubt if your contact can get all of these into JStor, but, oh, wouldn't it be nice if he/she could. I have put stars and double-stars by the ones which I think are most vital. The two German conference proceedings items have lots of valuable stuff, and I think are unavailable in the States (I don't have access at the moment to EUREKA or WorldCat), and the Portuguese Agrupamento item is packed with good things, but is a series, so I don't know if that falls under JStor's parameters. Several of the items below in fact are series. I've had to largely forego diacritical marks here. A number are closed, and I have not attempted to show closing dates. Agrupamento de Estudos de Cartografia Antiga. Série Memórias. 1963- Lisbon/Coimbra **Agrupamento de Estudos de Cartografia Antiga. Série Separatas. 1961- Lisbon/Coimbra Arbeitskreis für historische Kartographie. Mitteilungsblatt. 1971- Warendorf Caert-Thresoor. 1982- Utrecht **Cartographica Helvetica. 1990- Murten, Switzerland Cartographica Helvetica. Sonderheft. 1991- Murten (series) Cicle de conferencies sobre Historia de la Cartografia. 1990- (a pre-planned series) (Roy V. Boswell) Collection for the History of Cartography. Publications. ca. 1972(?)- Freundeskreis für Cartographica. Mitteilungsblatt. (Stiftung Preussischer Kulturbesitz, e.V., Berlin) 1987- Weissenhorn *Geographia Antiqua. 1992- Florence *Globusfreund. 1952- Vienna Hermon Dunlap Smith center for the History of Cartography. Publication. ca. 1972(?)- Chicago (series) HES Studies in the History of Cartography and Scientific Instruments. 1986(?)- Utrecht (series) Historické mapy. Zborník prednasek z republikového seminára. 1983- Prague? (published conference proceedings) Israeli Map Collectors Society. Journal. 1984(?)- *Journal of the International Map Collectors' Society. 1980- UK **Kartographiehistorisches Colloquium . . . Vorträge und Berichte (Deutsche Gesellschaft für Kartographie. Arbeitskreis 'Geschichte der Kartographie') 1982(1983)- Berlin (regularly published biennial conference proceedings) Kenneth Nebenzahl, Jr., Lectures in the History of Cartography at the Newberry Library. 1972- Chicago (lecture series--not all published?) MapForum 2004- (formerly not print, only online) *Mapline. 1976_ Chicago. **Mercator Symposium, Duisburg. Referate. 1992- Bockum (regularly published symposium proceedings) *Mercator's World. 1996- Eugene, Oregon Philip Lee Philips Society Newsletter. 1996- Washington, DC Philip Lee Philips Society. Occasional Paper Series. 1998- Washington (series) *Portolan. 1984_ Silver Springs, MD (quite valuable newsletter, now really a journal) Seminar on Teaching the History of Cartography . . . . Proceedings. 1991- Utrecht (biennial proceedings) Sheetlines: The Newsletter of the Charles Close Society. 1981- UK Speculum Orbis: Zeitschrift für alte Kartographie und Vedutenkunde. 1985- Bad Neustadt a.d. Saale Studia i materialy z historii kartografii. (Biblioteka Narodowa, Warszawa. Zaklad Zbiorow Kartograficznych) 1982- Warsaw **Terrae Incognitae. 1969_ Amsterdam *Z dejin geodezie a kartografie. (Narodni technicke muzeum, Praha) 1979(1981)- Prague (published symposium proceedings) *Z dziejow kartografii. (Polska Akademia Nauk, Instytut historii nauki, oswiaty i techniki. Zespól historii kartografii) 1979- Warsaw (includes conference proceedings) >From: ahudson@nypl.org >Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl >To: maphist@geog.uu.nl >Subject: [MapHist] carto journals for JStor >Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:13:54 -0500 > > >What suggestions do folks have for JStor, re cartographic journals full >text online? > >Acta Cartographica comes to mind > >Map Collectors Circle > >Map Collector > >Internat. Jahrbuch... > >others? > > >We have an intern/contact in the NY office, so would pass along a nice list >for them to consider if you wish. > >Alice C. Hudson >Chief, Map Division >The Humanities and Social Sciences Library >The New York Public Library >5th Avenue & 42nd Street, Room 117 >New York, NY 10018-2788 > >ahudson@nypl.org; 212-930-0589; fax 212-930-0027 > >http://nypl.org/research/chss/map/map.html > >The true meaning of life is to plant trees, > under whose shade you do not expect to sit. > - Nelson Henderson > > > >_______________________________________________________________ >MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. >The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for >the views of the author. >List Information: http://www.maphist.info _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. 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List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Originating-IP: [24.188.202.15] X-Originating-Email: [gastaldo@msn.com] X-Sender: gastaldo@msn.com From: "Douglas Sims" To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: RE: [MapHist] carto journals for JStor Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 03:45:42 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Nov 2004 08:46:01.0062 (UTC) FILETIME=[DBE22060:01C4D138] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl One more journal, inadvertaqntly left out: *Cartographica Hungarica. 1992- Budapest _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. 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List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 11:03:29 +0100 From: Török Zsolt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: Re: [MapHist] carto journals for JStor X-ELTE-SpamVersion: MailScanner 4.31.6-itk1 (ELTE 1.2) SpamAssassin 2.63 ClamAV 0.73 X-ELTE-VirusStatus: clean X-ELTE-SpamCheck: no X-ELTE-SpamCheck-Details: score=-4.9, required 5.9, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -4.90 X-ELTE-SpamLevel: X-ELTE-SpamScore: -4 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Dear Alice, For Cartographica Hungarica visit: http://lazarus.elte.hu/~zoltorok/terktor/carthun/carthun_index.htm I think 'Cartographica Helvetica' should be included in the list. Zsolt ::::::::::::::: Douglas Sims wrote: > > One more journal, inadvertaqntly left out: > *Cartographica Hungarica. 1992- Budapest _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 06:07:30 -0600 From: acope@uwm.edu To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: Re: [MapHist] Novi Belgii, quod nunc Novi Jorck vocatur by Ogilby User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.5-cvs X-Originating-IP: 65.30.162.248 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.44 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Thank you all for your help! As I expected, the collective wisdom of the Map-Hist members has helped me to date my map (and saved me the leg work...). Kindest regards! Angie Cope AGS Library Quoting Andre Engels : > I think the title would be dead giveaway that 1670, not 1635 is the > correct date: "Novi Belgii, quod nunc Novi Jorck vocatur" would mean > that it is (probably short) after the capture of New Amsterdam by the > British, around 1664. Nobody would call the region "New York" in 1635. > > Andre Engels > > > On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:33:28 -0600, Angie Cope wrote: > > Greetings everyone, > > > > I am cataloging a facsimile map for my library. I looked on "Worldcat" > > and all the other maps similar to this seem to be dated around 1670. The > > title is: > > Novi Belgii, quod nunc Novi Jorck vocatur, Novae q[ue] Angliae & partis > > Virginiae : accuratissima et novissima delineatio. The other maps from > > Worldcat indicate that this would be from "America, London 1670" by John > > Ogilby. > > > > The facsimile I'm holding has a note reading "Fac-simile of a map which > > is supposed to have been printed about A.D. 1635 and now in the War > > Department." Another note reads: "Published by authority of the Hon. the > > Secretary of War in the Office of the Chief of Engineers, U.S. Army, > > 1876." It's a black and white map mounted on linen with the decorative > > cartouche showing native peoples and some wild game. > > > > I guess I'm just confused and not sure where to look. Is it possible > > that this isn't from an Ogilby map or is it more likely that the item > > from the War Dept. was dated incorrectly back in 1876? Hmmm? > > > > Any advice or comment is appreciated! > > > > -- > > Mit freundlichen Grüßen, > > > > Angie > > > > ************************************************** > > > > ANGIE COPE, Academic Map Librarian > > American Geographical Society Library > > UW Milwaukee Libraries > > 2311 E. Hartford Avenue > > Milwaukee, Wisconsin 53201 > > > > http://www.uwm.edu/Libraries/AGSL/index.html > > Hours: 8:00am-4:30pm > > acope@uwm.edu > > (414) 229-6282 > > (800) 558-8993 (US TOLL FREE) > > (414) 229-3624 (FAX) > > > > ************************************************** > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > > hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. > > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > > Utrecht. 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List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Ashley Baynton-Williams" To: Subject: RE: [MapHist] Novi Belgii, quod nunc Novi Jorck vocatur by Ogilby Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 12:42:53 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Angie, The map first appeared in: Arnold MONTANUS 'Die Nieuwe En Onbekende Weereld: Of Beschryving Van America En T'Zuid-Land ...', Jacob van MEURS, Amsterdam, 1671 and in the second edition: 'Die Unbekante Neue Welt Oder Beschreibung Des Welt-Teils, Und Des Sud-Landes: Darinnen Vom Uhrsprunge Der Ameriker Und Sudlander ...', Jacob van MEURS, Amsterdam, 1673 There was also an English Edition, published by John Ogilby: [John OGILBY trans. & ed.] 'America ...', Thomas JOHNSON for John OGILBY, London, 1671, using many of the same printing plates, including the New England; Tooley refers to an example with the title-page dated 1670, which I've never seen; as the book was published on 3rd November 1671, this was either wishful thinking, or an error by the printer. The Dutch editions were printed on paper with a jester watermark, the English with a cockatrice, a mythical snake. Hope this is useful, Ashley Baynton-Williams _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: RE: [MapHist] carto journals for JStor To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.4 June 8, 2000 From: ahudson@nypl.org Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 11:42:31 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on MHTMAIL02/MHT/Nypl(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 11/23/2004 11:42:32 AM X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Wow, I have a list of 25 or so journals now. Think positive folks! Will keep you informed. Alice C. Hudson Chief, Map Division The Humanities and Social Sciences Library The New York Public Library 5th Avenue & 42nd Street, Room 117 New York, NY 10018-2788 ahudson@nypl.org; 212-930-0589; fax 212-930-0027 http://nypl.org/research/chss/map/map.html The true meaning of life is to plant trees, under whose shade you do not expect to sit. - Nelson Henderson _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 12:53:32 -0500 From: jsk@gamewood.net Subject: RE: [MapHist] carto journals for JStor To: MapHist X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Alice- This might be a bit tangential, but think about the following: Journal of Maps & Geography Libraries - This is a new academic journal, just released (2004), edited by Mary Lynette Larsgaard and Paige G. Andrew, and published quarterly by Haworth Press. Joel Kovarsky ------ Original Message ------ From: ahudson@nypl.org To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Sent: Nov 23, 2004 04:42 PM Subject: RE: [MapHist] carto journals for JStor > >Wow, I have a list of 25 or so journals now. Think positive folks! > >Will keep you informed. > >Alice C. Hudson >Chief, Map Division >The Humanities and Social Sciences Library >The New York Public Library >5th Avenue & 42nd Street, Room 117 >New York, NY 10018-2788 > >ahudson@nypl.org; 212-930-0589; fax 212-930-0027 > >http://nypl.org/research/chss/map/map.html > >The true meaning of life is to plant trees, > under whose shade you do not expect to sit. > - Nelson Henderson > > > >_______________________________________________________________ >MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. >The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for >the views of the author. >List Information: http://www.maphist.info > > _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-UNTD-OriginStamp: 2eKwMOrztJI3TYXd/wnwGmTjguPgfuaM71Serqy1BxRIrA/gV8qoaQ== X-Originating-IP: [204.213.37.221] From: "Philip Hoehn" Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:00:14 GMT To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] New online maps Rumsey Collection X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 X-ContentStamp: 9:4:3970205617 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl New Maps Added to the online David Rumsey Map Collection The following are highlights from 1035 New Maps added to the David Rumsey Collection at www.davidrumsey.com on November 15, 2004. This brings the total number of maps on the site to 11,075. All titles may be found by launching the Insight Browser or Java Client and searching under Search/by Publication Author using the author last names below. You will also find links to the new materials at www.davidrumsey.com/recentadditions.html Atlas to Accompany the Official Records of the Union and Confederate Armies, 1895 United States. War Department, Washington, D.C. 182 Maps, views, and plates. Contains reproductions of most of the important maps produced during the U.S. Civil War. Atlas Classique et Universel de Geographie Ancienne et Moderne, 1850 Andriveau-Goujon, J., Paris 47 Maps and plates. Includes 5 exceptional plates of the celestial and solar systems. A New American Atlas, 1825 Tanner, Henry, Philadelphia 32 Maps and text pages. The second edition of an important atlas of the United States. V Compare this to our first edition of the same atlas, 1823, also online. Atlas to Thompson's Alcedo; or Dictionary of America & West Indies, 1819 Arrowsmith, Aaron, London An atlas of 5 large, early wall maps of the Americas, on 19 sheets, plus five composite maps joining all the sheets. This atlas accompanies one of the most important gazetteers of North and South America, and the West Indies, published originally in Spanish by Antonio de Alcedo and translated into English by George A. Thompson. An Atlas of the United States of North America, 1832 (Hinton, John Howard); Simpkin & Marshall; Wardle, Thomas, London 19 Maps and profiles. Includes an early geological map of the United States. Also various U.S. State, County, and City Atlases, 1871-1898: Bien, Joseph Rudolf Atlas of the State of New York, 1895 D.H. Hurd & Co. Town and City Atlas of the State of Connecticut, 1893 Beers, F. W. (Frederick W.) State Atlas of New Jersey, 1872 Geological Survey of New Jersey Atlas of New Jersey, 1888 Walling, H. F.; Gray, Ormando Willis Official Topographical Atlas of Massachusetts, 1871 Geological Survey (U.S.); Massachusetts. Topographical Survey Commission Atlas of Massachusetts, 1890 Geological Survey (U.S.) Topographical Atlas of the State of Rhode Island, 1890 Walling, H. F.; Gray, Ormando Willis New Topographical Atlas of the State of Pennsylvania, 1872 Bromley, George Washington; Bromley, Walter Scott Atlas of the City of New York. Manhattan Island, 1891 Reynolds & Proctor Illustrated Atlas of Sonoma County, California, 1898 Bien, Joseph Rudolf Atlas of Westchester County, New York, 1893 De Pue & Company The Illustrated Atlas and History of Yolo County, California, 1879 Phil Hoehn, Map Librarian San Francisco -- philhoehn@juno.com ----------------------------------- Contractor for David Rumsey Collection: http://www.davidrumsey.com _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-UNTD-OriginStamp: 2eKwMOrztJI3TYXd/wnwGmTjguPgfuaMmA1g5ZysuADpSWh3RlUv3w== X-Originating-IP: [204.213.37.221] From: "Philip Hoehn" Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:02:40 GMT To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] Additions to Japanese Historical Map Collection X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 X-ContentStamp: 2:2:2600884405 X-MAIL-INFO:4ff1f0947561b4543154b18971d0d454550d05b9f5d53d054d0d3d81a5 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl New Maps Added to the Japanese Historical Map Collection 687 new maps have been added on November 1, 2004, to the UC Berkeley, East Asian Library, Japanese Historical Map Collection at www.davidrumsey.com/japan Highlights of the new additions include three large, rare map screens from the 17th century showing Japan, the world, and the Tokaido Road. Also included are all the maps and prints from Englebert Kaempfer’s book “Beschryving van Japan,” published in 1729, as well as multiple historical maps of most major Japanese cities and regions. The online collection now numbers 896 map images. Phil Hoehn, Map Librarian San Francisco -- philhoehn@juno.com ----------------------------------- Contractor for David Rumsey Collection: http://www.davidrumsey.com _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:02:16 +0100 (CET) Subject: RE: [MapHist] Novi Belgii, quod nunc Novi Jorck vocatur by Ogilby From: brink@geog.uu.nl To: maphist@geog.uu.nl User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl L.S. A few notes on the interesting comments by Ashley Baynton-Williams. I don’t think there was any wishfull thinking when Tooley stated that he knew a 1670 edition of Ogilby’s America. In fact, a precise description of this edition is included in Joseph Sabin’s Bibliotheca Americana”” (p. 305, H. 50088). The successive 1671 edition is numbered as H. 50089 (p. 306) Comparing the imprint and collation of both editions you will note the differences: 1670: London: Printed by Tho. Johnson for the author … MDCLXX. [6], 629 p. 1671: London: Printed by the Author, and are to be had at his House in White Fryers. MDCLXXI. [10], 674 p. A copy of the 1670 Ogilby edition is available in the Niedersaechsische Staats- und Universitaetsbibliothek in Goettingen. I know of one other copy in a private collection. A small correction on the 1673 Meurs edition, the title is: Die Unbekante Neue Welt, oder Beschreibung des Welt-teils Amerika [...]. As Sabin noted correctly Ogilby's America is only based in part on Montanus's "De Nieuwe en onbekende weereld" which was granted copyright privileges in July, 1670, and published in Amsterdam in 1671. Sabin states that the English translation is an impudent plagiarism' from Montanus, plates included. In the text many changes and additions were made by Ogilby, and some maps are not found in Montanus. The general map of America in Ogilby also differs materially from that in the Dutch work Paul van den Brink Dr. Paul van den Brink Explokart Research Team University of Utrecht The Netherlands _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.UU.NL Delivered-To: maphist@geog.UU.NL Subject: [MapHist] list sent to JStor To: maphist@geog.UU.NL X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.4 June 8, 2000 From: ahudson@nypl.org Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:02:48 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on MHTMAIL02/MHT/Nypl(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 11/23/2004 03:02:49 PM X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Dear Mapsters, Here is the list, and part of my memo I sent to my contact at JStor. Any others? Will report back. Alice ... I had trouble recently finding Imago Mundi on JStor, and found that it is on a small site, within JStor. I also learned that it is the only history of cartog jnl listed, and mentioned that to you, I think!!? [I have since learned it will be packaged with more general, and accessible titles soon] Anyway, I have a list copied from one reader, coplemented by several offerings from other contributors, which I will paste below for you to see. Not complete citations, but you get the idea. Hope JStor will consider developing an important "History of Cartography" site. It would enhance the services of some 300 map libraries around the world. --------------- This was indeed an offer I couldn't refuse! Strike while the iron is hot! I doubt if your contact can get all of these into JStor, but, oh, wouldn't it be nice if he/she could. I have put stars and double-stars by the ones which I think are most vital. The two German conference proceedings items have lots of valuable stuff, and I think are unavailable in the States (I don't have access at the moment to EUREKA or WorldCat), and the Portuguese Agrupamento item is packed with good things, but is a series, so I don't know if that falls under JStor's parameters. Several of the items below in fact are series. I've had to largely forego diacritical marks here. A number are closed, and I have not attempted to show closing dates. Agrupamento de Estudos de Cartografia Antiga. Série Memórias. 1963- Lisbon/Coimbra **Agrupamento de Estudos de Cartografia Antiga. Série Separatas. 1961- Lisbon/Coimbra Arbeitskreis für historische Kartographie. Mitteilungsblatt. 1971- Warendorf Caert-Thresoor. 1982- Utrecht **Cartographica Helvetica. 1990- Murten, Switzerland Cartographica Helvetica. Sonderheft. 1991- Murten (series) Cicle de conferencies sobre Historia de la Cartografia. 1990- (a pre-planned series) (Roy V. Boswell) Collection for the History of Cartography. Publications. ca. 1972(?)- Freundeskreis für Cartographica. Mitteilungsblatt. (Stiftung Preussischer Kulturbesitz, e.V., Berlin) 1987- Weissenhorn *Geographia Antiqua. 1992- Florence *Globusfreund. 1952- Vienna Hermon Dunlap Smith center for the History of Cartography. Publication. ca. 1972(?)- Chicago (series) HES Studies in the History of Cartography and Scientific Instruments. 1986(?)- Utrecht (series) Historické mapy. Zborník prednasek z republikového seminára. 1983- Prague? (published conference proceedings) Israeli Map Collectors Society. Journal. 1984(?)- *Journal of the International Map Collectors' Society. 1980- UK **Kartographiehistorisches Colloquium . . . Vorträge und Berichte (Deutsche Gesellschaft für Kartographie. Arbeitskreis 'Geschichte der Kartographie') 1982(1983)- Berlin (regularly published biennial conference proceedings) Kenneth Nebenzahl, Jr., Lectures in the History of Cartography at the Newberry Library. 1972- Chicago (lecture series--not all published?) MapForum 2004- (formerly not print, only online) *Mapline. 1976_ Chicago. **Mercator Symposium, Duisburg. Referate. 1992- Bockum (regularly published symposium proceedings) *Mercator's World. 1996- Eugene, Oregon Philip Lee Philips Society Newsletter. 1996- Washington, DC Philip Lee Philips Society. Occasional Paper Series. 1998- Washington (series) *Portolan. 1984_ Silver Springs, MD (quite valuable newsletter, now really a journal) Seminar on Teaching the History of Cartography . . . . Proceedings. 1991- Utrecht (biennial proceedings) Sheetlines: The Newsletter of the Charles Close Society. 1981- UK Speculum Orbis: Zeitschrift für alte Kartographie und Vedutenkunde. 1985- Bad Neustadt a.d. Saale Studia i materialy z historii kartografii. (Biblioteka Narodowa, Warszawa. Zaklad Zbiorow Kartograficznych) 1982- Warsaw **Terrae Incognitae. 1969_ Amsterdam *Z dejin geodezie a kartografie. (Narodni technicke muzeum, Praha) 1979(1981)- Prague (published symposium proceedings) *Z dziejow kartografii. (Polska Akademia Nauk, Instytut historii nauki, oswiaty i techniki. Zespól historii kartografii) 1979- Warsaw (includes conference proceedings) Cartographic Perspectives *Cartographica Hungarica. 1992- Budapest Acta Cartographica > > Map Collectors Circle > > Map Collector > > Internationales Jahrbuch fur Kartographie CARTOGRAPHICA (University of Toronto Press). Alice C. Hudson Chief, Map Division The Humanities and Social Sciences Library The New York Public Library 5th Avenue & 42nd Street, Room 117 New York, NY 10018-2788 ahudson@nypl.org; 212-930-0589; fax 212-930-0027 http://nypl.org/research/chss/map/map.html The true meaning of life is to plant trees, under whose shade you do not expect to sit. - Nelson Henderson _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Ole Gade Subject: [MapHist] Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:47:35 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Dear Maphisters; I have only recently learned of this incredible list serve/discussion group, so please bear with me. I am very interested in acquiring some detailed knowledge about the atlas appended to the 1899 four volume set entitled: Times Frontiéres entre le Brésil et la Guyane Francaise. 2nd Memoire (TimesAtlas: Contenant un Choix de Cartes Antérieures au Traité Conclu a Utrecht le 11 Avril 1743 entre le Portugal et la France) This is set of fascimile maps (88-91?) that were appended as an Annex to the Memorandum Presented by the United States of Brazil to the Government of the Swiss Federation, Arbitrator of the Treaty concluded at Rio de Janeiro, 10 April, 1897 between Brazil and France; maps were edited and printed by A Tahne, under the auspices of A. Lahure, Imprimeur-Éditeur, 9, Rue de Fleurus, Paris, 1899). So far my research has revealed only one reference (without detail); this in LeGear, C. E.., “Rosenwald Gift of 16th Century Maps,” in Ristow, W. (ed.) A la Carte: Selected Papers on Maps and Atlases. Washington DC: Library of Congress, 1972, 39+. Do any of you have reference to steer me in a productive direction? Thanks for any efforts in my behalf, Ole Gade X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Ashley Baynton-Williams" To: Subject: RE: [MapHist] Novi Belgii, quod nunc Novi Jorck vocatur by Ogilby Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:43:25 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Having deleted my email to MapHist, I can’t call on what I actually wrote, but would clarify my comments in light of Paul’s email. I didn’t mean to imply Tooley was wrong. He gave a careful description of the imprint, so I never doubted it exists. I have simply, in the best part of thirty years, never seen an example with that imprint. I think it is interesting that the example with location that Paul cites is on the Continent. The comment about wishful thinking was actually meant to apply to Ogilby. In Midsummer Term 1670 Ogilby announced subscriptions for the ‘America’, with a publication date of January 1671 (1670 old calendar), and I suspect that the title dated 1670 was printed in anticipation of him meeting that target. In fact, the deadline crept back, until publication was announced as being 3rd November 1671 - “after much cost and pains”. Sabin's comment that “the English translation is an impudent plagiarism' from Montanus” is, I think, just plain wrong, but that's a discussion for another day. Ashley Baynton-Williams _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: ExJournal@aol.com Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 20:54:22 EST Subject: Re: [MapHist] Novi Belgii, quod nunc Novi Jorck vocatur by Ogilby To: acope@uwm.edu, maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 24 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Experience with English documents of the period 1600-??? suggests that dates of "officially sactioned" publications that pertained to geopolitcally sensitive areas, as this most certainly was, were embargoed, censored and/or deleted as suited governmental purpose. The Bartholomew Gosnold report of the voyage to New England of 1609, was not alllowed to surface until the 1630's. The copy in the NYPL rare book collection carries 2 dates, 1, 1609(? do not have notes at hand), and 1632 with the 1609 date clearly crossed out, but still legible. Hope this helps. Carl Schuster X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:25:51 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: [MapHist] From: brink@geog.uu.nl To: maphist@geog.uu.nl User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl L.s. You might find additional information by contacting (or visiting the website) of library of the Peace Palace at The Hague http://www.ppl.nl which had one of the world's largest collections in the field of international law, public and private law, and foreign national law, as well as an extensive collection on international political and diplomatic history and the history of peace movements. They have a great webcatalogue (books and articles) with, at a first glance, enough relevant information on your subject. Paul van den Brink Dr. Paul van den Brink Explokart Research Team University of Utrecht The Netherlands _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Ole Gade Subject: [MapHist] Atlas addendum to: Frontiéres entre le Brésil et la Guyane Francaise Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:21:39 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Dear Maphisters; I have only recently learned of this incredible list serve/discussion group, so please bear with me. I am very interested in acquiring some detailed knowledge about the atlas appended to the 1899 four volume set entitled: Times Frontiéres entre le Brésil et la Guyane Francaise. 2nd Memoire (TimesAtlas: Contenant un Choix de Cartes Antérieures au Traité Conclu a Utrecht le 11 Avril 1743 entre le Portugal et la France) This is set of fascimile maps (88-91?) that were appended as an Annex to the Memorandum Presented by the United States of Brazil to the Government of the Swiss Federation, Arbitrator of the Treaty concluded at Rio de Janeiro, 10 April, 1897 between Brazil and France; maps were prepared, edited and printed by A Tahne, under the auspices of A. Lahure, Imprimeur-Éditeur, 9, Rue de Fleurus, Paris, 1899). So far my research has revealed only one reference (without detail); this in LeGear, C. E.., “Rosenwald Gift of 16th Century Maps,” in Ristow, W. (ed.) A la Carte: Selected Papers on Maps and Atlases. Washington DC: Library of Congress, 1972, 39+. Do any of you know of references that may steer me in a productive direction? Thanks for any efforts in my behalf, Ole Gade gadeo@bellsouth.net X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.4.4011 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 13:26:39 -0500 Subject: [MapHist] Globes in America, Mercator Society Lecture From: Helen Glazer To: Maphist Cc: Maptrade List X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl George Glazer will be giving a lecture on antique globes at the New York Public Library in New York City, next Wednesday, December 1, 2004. "Globes in America, Revolutionary War - Present" is sponsored by the NYPL Mercator Society. The slide presentation will include an overview of the history of American globe production, principally in the 19th century, and remarks on the current market for antique globes. The program begins at 6:00 p.m., preceded by a reception at 5:30 p.m. The event takes place at the New York Public Library's Humanities and Social Sciences Library, Berger Forum (room 227), 5th Avenue and 42nd Street. There is no admission fee. If you would like to attend, please RSVP Diana Lee at 212-930-0654 so the library knows how many guests to expect. ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø Helen Glazer, Creative Director George Glazer Gallery http://www.georgeglazer.com Antique Globes, Maps & Prints ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Originating-IP: [24.188.202.15] X-Originating-Email: [gastaldo@msn.com] X-Sender: gastaldo@msn.com From: "Douglas Sims" To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: RE: [MapHist] Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 01:13:38 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Nov 2004 06:14:02.0782 (UTC) FILETIME=[F5CA83E0:01C4D2B5] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl This is one where the bibliographical details are really tricky. The title 'Frontières entre le Brésil et la Guyane Française' is a mildly famous old work, usually cited without author, or author as simply 'Brazil', oddly enough. Actually, it is by José Maria da Silva Paranhos Júnior, Barão do Rio Branco (alphabetized usually under 'Rio Branco'), and the atlases accompanying are compiled by him as well. This is not 1 work, but 2 works, both multi-volume and both published in 1899, with titles identical except for the addition of a single word to the second one, to wit: 'Frontières entre le Brésil et la Guyane Française: Mémoire présenté,' etc. 5 vols. + 2-vol. atlas. Paris, Lahure, 1899, and 'Frontières entre le Brésil et la Guyane Française: Second mémoire présenté,' etc. 5 vols.+ atlas in 2 parts. Berne, 1899. To repeat: These are NOT two editions or variants of one work. All of the material in the second mémoire is different from, and was published in addition to, the material in the first. A single combined edition of 14 volumes was then published, Paris and Berne, 1899-1900 (For this 14-volume edition, see items nos. NB 0760065-69 in the 'National Union Catalogue.'). The atlas for the first memoire includes 105 reproductions of old maps. all originally published before the Treaty of Utrecht, 1713, and is a giant 74 cm in height. It is 2 vols. The atlas for the second memoire is of 89 reproductions, and rather smaller in size, 57 cm. It is in 2 parts. The first part has 14 reproductions of maps, all before 1713, and is a supplement to the first, while the second part has 75 reproductions of maps after 1713. There is finally one other map, a 15th one going with the first part of the second atlas, which is found in vol. 1 of the second memoire. Thus there is a total of 195 maps, 120 pre-1713 and 75 post 1713. The combined edition presumably has all this in its atlas, and I believe that is itemized in Phillips (Philip Lee Phillips, 'List of Geographical Atlases,' etc. vol. 1, 1909, 996), per old notes of mine, but I am not sure. The baron (1845-1912) had been consulted regarding a boundary dispute between Brazil and France because of his extensive knowledge of Brazilian geography. He won the dispute for Brazil in an international court. The books are his case. He was also involved in several similar disputes. There is a book about him, by E. Bradford Burns: 'The Unwritten Alliance: Rio-Branco and Brazilian-American Relations' (New York, 1966). The following article is I suspect partly on him, but haven't checked: Prescott, Victor. "Significant Contributions of Maps to the Development of International Boundary Disputes before 1914." 'The Globe', no. 45 (1997), 42-54. This old atlas contains a good many very early maps, including some by Gastaldi and many others, and was once often cited by historians of cartography, as Wieder, Stevenson, Wagner, et al, but with the many excellent reproductions now available, it is probably no longer of much practical value. But I'm not certain of this. All the above is from my own notes almost 20 years old. The following is an entry I came across by chance just a few years ago in Harvard's HOLLIS catalog. I haven't seen it, and know nothing more about it than what's in the citation, as follows: [Rio Branco, J., etc.] 'Statement Submitted to the United States of Brazil to the President of the United States of America as Arbitrator, under the Provisions of the Treaty Concluded September 7, 1889, between Brazil and the Argentine Republic . . . .' 6 vols. New York, 1894. (27 cm) Vol. 5 is titled 'Thirty-four maps', and vol. 6 'Twenty-nine larger maps.' Doug Sims dougsims1945@yahoo.com >From: Ole Gade >Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl >To: maphist@geog.uu.nl >Subject: [MapHist] Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:47:35 -0500 > >Dear Maphisters; > >I have only recently learned of this incredible list serve/discussion >group, so please bear with me. > >I am very interested in acquiring some detailed knowledge about the atlas >appended to the 1899 four volume set entitled: > Frontiéres entre le Brésil et la Guyane Francaise. 2nd Memoire >(Atlas: Contenant un Choix de Cartes Antérieures au Traité Conclu a Utrecht >le 11 Avril 1743 entre le Portugal et la France) >This is set of fascimile maps (88-91?) that were appended as an Annex to >the Memorandum Presented by the United States of Brazil to the Government >of the Swiss Federation, Arbitrator of the Treaty concluded at Rio de >Janeiro, 10 April, 1897 between Brazil and France; maps were edited and >printed by A Tahne, under the auspices of A. Lahure, Imprimeur-Éditeur, 9, >Rue de Fleurus, Paris, 1899). >So far my research has revealed only one reference (without detail); this >in LeGear, C. E.., “Rosenwald Gift of 16th Century Maps,” in Ristow, W. >(ed.) A la Carte: Selected Papers on Maps and Atlases. Washington DC: >Library of Congress, 1972, 39+. > >Do any of you have reference to steer me in a productive direction? > >Thanks for any efforts in my behalf, > >Ole Gade > _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] Important Ortelius acquisition for the Amsterdam University Library Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 15:42:04 +0100 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Important Ortelius acquisition for the Amsterdam University Library Thread-Index: AcTS/O27kNnzIAUkRquBE+Yv0rYK0g== From: "Werner, J.W.H." To: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Important Ortelius acquisition for the Amsterdam University Library

Dear colleagues,

I am very proud to announce the donation of a very unusual Ortelius atlas to the Universiteitsbibliotheek Amsterdam. The 'Vereniging van Vrienden van de Universiteitsbibliotheek van Amsterdam' (Society of Friends of the Amsterdam University Library) managed to acquire this rare piece for the Maps & Atlases section of the Special Collections department, with considerable effort and financial support.

The atlas is the Dutch language edition of the Theatrum Orbis Terrarum (Theatre oft Toonneel des Aerdtbodems) of 1571, extended with Additamentum I of 1573, and (very unusual) the Additamenta II and III, of 1579 and 1584 respectively. These maps have all been included in the correct order, and the paper and contemporary colouring is of one homogeneous (high) quality.

As some other copies show, usually only a 1573 Dutch Additamentum of 16 new maps is found in combination with the original 1571 maps, sometimes with a new letterpress title pasted over the Latin text on the frontispice. Subsequently we only know of the rather poor 1598 and the later post-1610 Dutch editions. However, the presence of the Additamenta II (23 maps) and III (22 maps) may show that - despite the lacking of any texts on verso - the long period between 1573 and 1598 was in some instances bridged for the Dutch market by atlases like this one, in fact a Dutch Theatrum of 1584. Peter van der Krogt found two similar atlases, but only with Additamenta I and II, in Antwerpen SB and Brussel KB (Koeman's Atlantes Neerlandici Vol IIIA p. 135). Two years ago our present atlas was discovered, and in the very nick of time Peter could include it in Vol IIIA. The present copy is described there in the final two lines of p. 135.

After the official transfer of this unique and biggest Dutch Ortelius atlas ever found, the Universiteitsbibliotheek Amsterdam will be the owner of 20 folio atlases of Ortelius, 17 pocket versions of his work, and many hundreds of variant loose sheet maps, an ever growing collection for research, for scholars of many disciplines..

Even the Dutch news media were excited: TV News, radio and several newspapers gave it prominent attention in the past week.

Our website shows some news about this special cartographic item: <http://www.uba.uva.nl/actueel/nieuws.cfm>

Kind regards to you all, Jan Werner

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X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Ole Gade Subject: Re: [MapHist] Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 12:21:03 -0500 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Dear Douglas Sims, That was very informative and helpful; I will be working for a while on the references you have pointed to. The atlas available to me was library de-accessioned in the late 1970s in a variable and in places somewhat pitiable condition. It is a single volume published by Lahure in Paris in 1899; it clearly indicates the maps to be 'anterieures au traite conclu a Utrecht le 11 Avril 1713 entre le Portugal et la France'. Further the cover board size is an amazing 77x57cm with the map pages a couple of cm smaller; there are 91 numbered pages of maps, but with three fold outs (including a four page segment Pére Samuel Fritz, 1691, and the 1609 Gabriel Tatton in full color), the total map pages number 94; however, with several pages multi-mapped the map total is exactly 100! A dozen or so of the maps are in full color, several (four Diogo Homem, and two Lazaro Luis) with gold and silver ornamentation. Indeed, there is the Americas portion of the 1554 Gastaldi - though not an impressive fascimile. It is a striking Atlas, and interestingly at some divergence from the details of the 1899 Paris Atlas volumes you described. I will be pleased to hear any comments from you on this. Having gotten caught up in a, to me, exciting new world of knowledge, it is my interest to initially be able to describe in some detail the circumstances of each of the maps in the atlas (I have been consulting the Shirley and Karrow works, and a number of the Hakluyt Society volumes). I am beginning to fear that this is a remainder of my life time pursuit. With a clean and fairly comprehensive set of maps of the Americas for this time period I am also hoping to develop several library exhibits. With my thanks again for your interest and efforts. Ole Gade Professor of Geography and Planning Emeritus Appalachian State University, Boone NC gadeo@bellsouth.net On Nov 25, 2004, at 1:13 AM, Douglas Sims wrote: > This is one where the bibliographical details are really tricky. The > title 'Frontières entre le Brésil et la Guyane Française' is a mildly > famous old work, usually cited without author, or author as simply > 'Brazil', oddly enough. Actually, it is by José Maria da Silva > Paranhos Júnior, Barão do Rio Branco (alphabetized usually under 'Rio > Branco'), and the atlases accompanying are compiled by him as well. > This is not 1 work, but 2 works, both multi-volume and both published > in 1899, with titles identical except for the addition of a single > word to the second one, to wit: 'Frontières entre le Brésil et la > Guyane Française: Mémoire présenté,' etc. 5 vols. + 2-vol. atlas. > Paris, Lahure, 1899, and 'Frontières entre le Brésil et la Guyane > Française: Second mémoire présenté,' etc. 5 vols.+ atlas in 2 parts. > Berne, 1899. To repeat: These are NOT two editions or variants of > one work. All of the material in the second mémoire is different > from, and was published in addition to, the material in the first. A > single combined edition of 14 volumes was then published, Paris and > Berne, 1899-1900 (For this 14-volume edition, see items nos. NB > 0760065-69 in the 'National Union Catalogue.'). > > The atlas for the first memoire includes 105 reproductions of old > maps. all originally published before the Treaty of Utrecht, 1713, and > is a giant 74 cm in height. It is 2 vols. The atlas for the second > memoire is of 89 reproductions, and rather smaller in size, 57 cm. It > is in 2 parts. The first part has 14 reproductions of maps, all > before 1713, and is a supplement to the first, while the second part > has 75 reproductions of maps after 1713. There is finally one other > map, a 15th one going with the first part of the second atlas, which > is found in vol. 1 of the second memoire. Thus there is a total of > 195 maps, 120 pre-1713 and 75 post 1713. The combined edition > presumably has all this in its atlas, and I believe that is itemized > in Phillips (Philip Lee Phillips, 'List of Geographical Atlases,' etc. > vol. 1, 1909, 996), per old notes of mine, but I am not sure. > > The baron (1845-1912) had been consulted regarding a boundary dispute > between Brazil and France because of his extensive knowledge of > Brazilian geography. He won the dispute for Brazil in an > international court. The books are his case. He was also involved in > several similar disputes. There is a book about him, by E. Bradford > Burns: 'The Unwritten Alliance: Rio-Branco and Brazilian-American > Relations' (New York, 1966). The following article is I suspect > partly on him, but haven't checked: Prescott, Victor. "Significant > Contributions of Maps to the Development of International Boundary > Disputes before 1914." 'The Globe', no. 45 (1997), 42-54. > > This old atlas contains a good many very early maps, including some by > Gastaldi and many others, and was once often cited by historians of > cartography, as Wieder, Stevenson, Wagner, et al, but with the many > excellent reproductions now available, it is probably no longer of > much practical value. But I'm not certain of this. > > All the above is from my own notes almost 20 years old. The following > is an entry I came across by chance just a few years ago in Harvard's > HOLLIS catalog. I haven't seen it, and know nothing more about it > than what's in the citation, as follows: > [Rio Branco, J., etc.] 'Statement Submitted to the United States of > Brazil to the President of the United States of America as Arbitrator, > under the Provisions of the Treaty Concluded September 7, 1889, > between Brazil and the Argentine Republic . . . .' 6 vols. New York, > 1894. (27 cm) Vol. 5 is titled 'Thirty-four maps', and vol. 6 > 'Twenty-nine larger maps.' > > Doug Sims > dougsims1945@yahoo.com > > > >> From: Ole Gade >> Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl >> To: maphist@geog.uu.nl >> Subject: [MapHist] Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:47:35 -0500 >> >> Dear Maphisters; >> >> I have only recently learned of this incredible list serve/discussion >> group, so please bear with me. >> >> I am very interested in acquiring some detailed knowledge about the >> atlas appended to the 1899 four volume set entitled: >> Frontiéres entre le Brésil et la Guyane Francaise. 2nd Memoire >> (Atlas: Contenant un Choix de Cartes Antérieures au Traité Conclu a >> Utrecht le 11 Avril 1743 entre le Portugal et la France) >> This is set of fascimile maps (88-91?) that were appended as an Annex >> to the Memorandum Presented by the United States of Brazil to the >> Government of the Swiss Federation, Arbitrator of the Treaty >> concluded at Rio de Janeiro, 10 April, 1897 between Brazil and >> France; maps were edited and printed by A Tahne, under the auspices >> of A. Lahure, Imprimeur-Éditeur, 9, Rue de Fleurus, Paris, 1899). >> So far my research has revealed only one reference (without detail); >> this in LeGear, C. E.., “Rosenwald Gift of 16th Century Maps,” in >> Ristow, W. (ed.) A la Carte: Selected Papers on Maps and Atlases. >> Washington DC: Library of Congress, 1972, 39+. >> >> Do any of you have reference to steer me in a productive direction? >> >> Thanks for any efforts in my behalf, >> >> Ole Gade >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.info > _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Originating-IP: [24.188.202.15] X-Originating-Email: [gastaldo@msn.com] X-Sender: gastaldo@msn.com From: "Douglas Sims" To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: Re: [MapHist] Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 17:12:50 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Nov 2004 22:13:00.0795 (UTC) FILETIME=[17884CB0:01C4D405] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl I'm glad this information was useful to you. I do encourage you to continue with this good and useful project, because there certainly is a good possibility that the atlases contain some reproductions still not available elsewhere, regardless of my final observation to the contrary. This might especially be true of the post 1713 maps, but there could be some also among the earlier ones. Besides the value of such a collation, it would be of extraordinary interest, I think, both to the history of cartography proper, AND to the history of the history of cartography, to know more about the atlases and their compilation. As to the history of the history, two works might throw good light on the state of that at the time Baron Rio Branco made his atlases, R. A. Skelton's 'Maps: A Historical Survey of Their Study and Collecting' (1975), and Armando Cortesao, "Cartography and Its Historians,m" in his 1969-71 2-vol. 'History of Portuguese Cartography,' vol. 1, pp. 1-70. Being Portiguese, of course, the latter might be especially enlightening? Finally, there is an excellent full-page portrait of the baron in 'Revista brasileira de geografia,' Vol. 1, No. 3 (July, 1939), at p. [89]. Doug >From: Ole Gade >Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl >To: maphist@geog.uu.nl >Subject: Re: [MapHist] >Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 12:21:03 -0500 > >Dear Douglas Sims, > >That was very informative and helpful; I will be working for a while on the >references you have pointed to. The atlas available to me was library >de-accessioned in the late 1970s in a variable and in places somewhat >pitiable condition. It is a single volume published by Lahure in Paris in >1899; it clearly indicates the maps to be 'anterieures au traite conclu a >Utrecht le 11 Avril 1713 entre le Portugal et la France'. Further the cover >board size is an amazing 77x57cm with the map pages a couple of cm smaller; >there are 91 numbered pages of maps, but with three fold outs (including a >four page segment Pére Samuel Fritz, 1691, and the 1609 Gabriel Tatton in >full color), the total map pages number 94; however, with several pages >multi-mapped the map total is exactly 100! A dozen or so of the maps are >in full color, several (four Diogo Homem, and two Lazaro Luis) with gold >and silver ornamentation. Indeed, there is the Americas portion of the 1554 >Gastaldi - though not an impressive fascimile. It is a striking Atlas, and >interestingly at some divergence from the details of the 1899 Paris Atlas >volumes you described. I will be pleased to hear any comments from you on >this. Having gotten caught up in a, to me, exciting new world of knowledge, >it is my interest to initially be able to describe in some detail the >circumstances of each of the maps in the atlas (I have been consulting the >Shirley and Karrow works, and a number of the Hakluyt Society volumes). I >am beginning to fear that this is a remainder of my life time pursuit. With >a clean and fairly comprehensive set of maps of the Americas for this time >period I am also hoping to develop several library exhibits. > > With my thanks again for your interest and efforts. > >Ole Gade >Professor of Geography and Planning Emeritus >Appalachian State University, Boone NC >gadeo@bellsouth.net >On Nov 25, 2004, at 1:13 AM, Douglas Sims wrote: > >>This is one where the bibliographical details are really tricky. The >>title 'Frontières entre le Brésil et la Guyane Française' is a mildly >>famous old work, usually cited without author, or author as simply >>'Brazil', oddly enough. Actually, it is by José Maria da Silva Paranhos >>Júnior, Barão do Rio Branco (alphabetized usually under 'Rio Branco'), and >>the atlases accompanying are compiled by him as well. This is not 1 work, >>but 2 works, both multi-volume and both published in 1899, with titles >>identical except for the addition of a single word to the second one, to >>wit: 'Frontières entre le Brésil et la Guyane Française: Mémoire >>présenté,' etc. 5 vols. + 2-vol. atlas. Paris, Lahure, 1899, and >>'Frontières entre le Brésil et la Guyane Française: Second mémoire >>présenté,' etc. 5 vols.+ atlas in 2 parts. Berne, 1899. To repeat: >>These are NOT two editions or variants of one work. All of the material >>in the second mémoire is different from, and was published in addition to, >>the material in the first. A single combined edition of 14 volumes was >>then published, Paris and Berne, 1899-1900 (For this 14-volume edition, >>see items nos. NB 0760065-69 in the 'National Union Catalogue.'). >> >>The atlas for the first memoire includes 105 reproductions of old maps. >>all originally published before the Treaty of Utrecht, 1713, and is a >>giant 74 cm in height. It is 2 vols. The atlas for the second memoire is >>of 89 reproductions, and rather smaller in size, 57 cm. It is in 2 parts. >> The first part has 14 reproductions of maps, all before 1713, and is a >>supplement to the first, while the second part has 75 reproductions of >>maps after 1713. There is finally one other map, a 15th one going with >>the first part of the second atlas, which is found in vol. 1 of the second >>memoire. Thus there is a total of 195 maps, 120 pre-1713 and 75 post >>1713. The combined edition presumably has all this in its atlas, and I >>believe that is itemized in Phillips (Philip Lee Phillips, 'List of >>Geographical Atlases,' etc. vol. 1, 1909, 996), per old notes of mine, but >>I am not sure. >> >>The baron (1845-1912) had been consulted regarding a boundary dispute >>between Brazil and France because of his extensive knowledge of Brazilian >>geography. He won the dispute for Brazil in an international court. The >>books are his case. He was also involved in several similar disputes. >>There is a book about him, by E. Bradford Burns: 'The Unwritten Alliance: >> Rio-Branco and Brazilian-American Relations' (New York, 1966). The >>following article is I suspect partly on him, but haven't checked: >>Prescott, Victor. "Significant Contributions of Maps to the Development >>of International Boundary Disputes before 1914." 'The Globe', no. 45 >>(1997), 42-54. >> >>This old atlas contains a good many very early maps, including some by >>Gastaldi and many others, and was once often cited by historians of >>cartography, as Wieder, Stevenson, Wagner, et al, but with the many >>excellent reproductions now available, it is probably no longer of much >>practical value. But I'm not certain of this. >> >>All the above is from my own notes almost 20 years old. The following is >>an entry I came across by chance just a few years ago in Harvard's HOLLIS >>catalog. I haven't seen it, and know nothing more about it than what's in >>the citation, as follows: >>[Rio Branco, J., etc.] 'Statement Submitted to the United States of >>Brazil to the President of the United States of America as Arbitrator, >>under the Provisions of the Treaty Concluded September 7, 1889, between >>Brazil and the Argentine Republic . . . .' 6 vols. New York, 1894. (27 >>cm) Vol. 5 is titled 'Thirty-four maps', and vol. 6 'Twenty-nine larger >>maps.' >> >>Doug Sims >>dougsims1945@yahoo.com >> >> >> >>>From: Ole Gade >>>Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl >>>To: maphist@geog.uu.nl >>>Subject: [MapHist] Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:47:35 -0500 >>> >>>Dear Maphisters; >>> >>>I have only recently learned of this incredible list serve/discussion >>>group, so please bear with me. >>> >>>I am very interested in acquiring some detailed knowledge about the atlas >>>appended to the 1899 four volume set entitled: >>> Frontiéres entre le Brésil et la Guyane Francaise. 2nd Memoire >>>(Atlas: Contenant un Choix de Cartes Antérieures au Traité Conclu a >>>Utrecht le 11 Avril 1743 entre le Portugal et la France) >>>This is set of fascimile maps (88-91?) that were appended as an Annex to >>>the Memorandum Presented by the United States of Brazil to the Government >>>of the Swiss Federation, Arbitrator of the Treaty concluded at Rio de >>>Janeiro, 10 April, 1897 between Brazil and France; maps were edited and >>>printed by A Tahne, under the auspices of A. Lahure, Imprimeur-Éditeur, >>>9, Rue de Fleurus, Paris, 1899). >>>So far my research has revealed only one reference (without detail); this >>>in LeGear, C. E.., “Rosenwald Gift of 16th Century Maps,” in Ristow, W. >>>(ed.) A la Carte: Selected Papers on Maps and Atlases. Washington DC: >>>Library of Congress, 1972, 39+. >>> >>>Do any of you have reference to steer me in a productive direction? >>> >>>Thanks for any efforts in my behalf, >>> >>>Ole Gade >>> >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! >>http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ >> >>_______________________________________________________________ >>MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >>hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. >>The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >>the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >>Utrecht. 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The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: vladimiro valerio Subject: Re: [MapHist] Important Ortelius acquisition for the Amsterdam University Library Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 13:54:00 +0100 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Dear Jan, congratulations for theacquisition that makes yyour library rich and richer. I still remeber your kind assistance and the organization of the Library when I was there as long as four years ago. Now the second volume of "Piante e vedute di Napoli (1600-1699)", the reason of my travel in Holland, has been posed into the hand of the publisher and hope to have it published within the next spring. Best reagards, Vladimiro WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW Office: Dipartimento di Storia della Architettura San Polo 2468 - Palazzo Badoer 30125 Venezia tel. + 39 041 2571418 e-mail vladimir@iuav.it home: Via R. Morghen, 88 80129 Napoli tel. & fax +39 081 5568952 mobile 335 403807 WWWWWWWWW PER ASPERA AD ASTRA WWWWWWWWW Il giorno 25/nov/04, alle 15:42, Werner, J.W.H. ha scritto: ArialDear colleagues, ArialI am very proud to announce the donation of a very unusual Ortelius atlas to the Universiteitsbibliotheek Amsterdam. The 'Vereniging van Vrienden van de Universiteitsbibliotheek van Amsterdam' (Society of Friends of the Amsterdam University Library) managed to acquire this rare piece for the Maps & Atlases section of the Special Collections department, with considerable effort and financial support. ArialThe atlas is the Dutch language edition of the Theatrum Orbis Terrarum (Theatre oft Toonneel des Aerdtbodems) of 1571, extended with Additamentum I of 1573, and (very unusual) the Additamenta II and III, of 1579 and 1584 respectively. These maps have all been included in the correct order, and the paper and contemporary colouring is of one homogeneous (high) quality. ArialAs some other copies show, usually only a 1573 Dutch Additamentum of 16 new maps is found in combination with the original 1571 maps, sometimes with a new letterpress title pasted over the Latin text on the frontispice. Subsequently we only know of the rather poor 1598 and the later post-1610 Dutch editions. However, the presence of the Additamenta II (23 maps) and III (22 maps) may show that - despite the lacking of any texts on verso - the long period between 1573 and 1598 was in some instances bridged for the Dutch market by atlases like this one, in fact a Dutch Theatrum of 1584. Peter van der Krogt found two similar atlases, but only with Additamenta I and II, in Antwerpen SB and Brussel KB (Koeman's Atlantes Neerlandici Vol IIIA p. 135). Two years ago our present atlas was discovered, and in the very nick of time Peter could include it in Vol IIIA. The present copy is described there in the final two lines of p. 135. ArialAfter the official transfer of this unique and biggest Dutch Ortelius atlas ever found, the Universiteitsbibliotheek Amsterdam will be the owner of 20 folio atlases of Ortelius, 17 pocket versions of his work, and many hundreds of variant loose sheet maps, an ever growing collection for research, for scholars of many disciplines.. ArialEven the Dutch news media were excited: TV News, radio and several newspapers gave it prominent attention in the past week. ArialOur website shows some news about this special cartographic item: 0000,0000,FFFF<<0000,0000,EEEEhttp://www.uba.uva.nl/actueel/nieuws.cfm0000,0000,FFFF>Times New Roman ArialKind regards to you all, Jan Werner Arial Bookman Old Style------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bookman Old StyleDrs. Jan W.H. 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List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Ole Gade Subject: [MapHist] 'Frontières entre le Brésil et la Guyane Fra nçaise' (1899 Atlases) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 17:16:21 -0500 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Hi everyone! Now I wonder whether other maphisters have anything to offer in my, by now considerably enhanced, quest to seek information on atlases published in the support of the 'Frontières entre le Brésil et la Guyane Française' and its several 'memoraire'; most particularly I am interested in further establishing the number of different atlas issue that appeared published in 1899 in either Berne or Paris; and can anyone tell me just where it may be possible for me to inspect any of these atlases? In the meantime, Doug, I am appreciatively moving on all of those references you have led me to. Bless your heart!!! Ole gadeo@bellsouth.net On Nov 26, 2004, at 5:12 PM, Douglas Sims wrote: > I'm glad this information was useful to you. I do encourage you to > continue with this good and useful project, because there certainly is > a good possibility that the atlases contain some reproductions still > not available elsewhere, regardless of my final observation to the > contrary. This might especially be true of the post 1713 maps, but > there could be some also among the earlier ones. Besides the value of > such a collation, it would be of extraordinary interest, I think, both > to the history of cartography proper, AND to the history of the > history of cartography, to know more about the atlases and their > compilation. As to the history of the history, two works might throw > good light on the state of that at the time Baron Rio Branco made his > atlases, R. A. Skelton's 'Maps: A Historical Survey of Their Study > and Collecting' (1975), and Armando Cortesao, "Cartography and Its > Historians,m" in his 1969-71 2-vol. 'History of Portuguese > Cartography,' vol. 1, pp. 1-70. Being Portiguese, of course, the > latter might be especially enlightening? Finally, there is an > excellent full-page portrait of the baron in 'Revista brasileira de > geografia,' Vol. 1, No. 3 (July, 1939), at p. [89]. > > Doug > > > > >> From: Ole Gade >> Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl >> To: maphist@geog.uu.nl >> Subject: Re: [MapHist] >> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 12:21:03 -0500 >> >> Dear Douglas Sims, >> >> That was very informative and helpful; I will be working for a while >> on the references you have pointed to. The atlas available to me was >> library de-accessioned in the late 1970s in a variable and in places >> somewhat pitiable condition. It is a single volume published by >> Lahure in Paris in 1899; it clearly indicates the maps to be >> 'anterieures au traite conclu a Utrecht le 11 Avril 1713 entre le >> Portugal et la France'. Further the cover board size is an amazing >> 77x57cm with the map pages a couple of cm smaller; there are 91 >> numbered pages of maps, but with three fold outs (including a four >> page segment Pére Samuel Fritz, 1691, and the 1609 Gabriel Tatton in >> full color), the total map pages number 94; however, with several >> pages multi-mapped the map total is exactly 100! A dozen or so of >> the maps are in full color, several (four Diogo Homem, and two Lazaro >> Luis) with gold and silver ornamentation. Indeed, there is the >> Americas portion of the 1554 Gastaldi - though not an impressive >> fascimile. It is a striking Atlas, and interestingly at some >> divergence from the details of the 1899 Paris Atlas volumes you >> described. I will be pleased to hear any comments from you on this. >> Having gotten caught up in a, to me, exciting new world of knowledge, >> it is my interest to initially be able to describe in some detail the >> circumstances of each of the maps in the atlas (I have been >> consulting the Shirley and Karrow works, and a number of the Hakluyt >> Society volumes). I am beginning to fear that this is a remainder of >> my life time pursuit. With a clean and fairly comprehensive set of >> maps of the Americas for this time period I am also hoping to develop >> several library exhibits. >> >> With my thanks again for your interest and efforts. >> >> Ole Gade >> Professor of Geography and Planning Emeritus >> Appalachian State University, Boone NC >> gadeo@bellsouth.net >> On Nov 25, 2004, at 1:13 AM, Douglas Sims wrote: >> >>> This is one where the bibliographical details are really tricky. >>> The title 'Frontières entre le Brésil et la Guyane Française' is a >>> mildly famous old work, usually cited without author, or author as >>> simply 'Brazil', oddly enough. Actually, it is by José Maria da >>> Silva Paranhos Júnior, Barão do Rio Branco (alphabetized usually >>> under 'Rio Branco'), and the atlases accompanying are compiled by >>> him as well. This is not 1 work, but 2 works, both multi-volume and >>> both published in 1899, with titles identical except for the >>> addition of a single word to the second one, to wit: 'Frontières >>> entre le Brésil et la Guyane Française: Mémoire présenté,' etc. 5 >>> vols. + 2-vol. atlas. Paris, Lahure, 1899, and 'Frontières entre le >>> Brésil et la Guyane Française: Second mémoire présenté,' etc. 5 >>> vols.+ atlas in 2 parts. Berne, 1899. To repeat: These are NOT >>> two editions or variants of one work. All of the material in the >>> second mémoire is different from, and was published in addition to, >>> the material in the first. A single combined edition of 14 volumes >>> was then published, Paris and Berne, 1899-1900 (For this 14-volume >>> edition, see items nos. NB 0760065-69 in the 'National Union >>> Catalogue.'). >>> >>> The atlas for the first memoire includes 105 reproductions of old >>> maps. all originally published before the Treaty of Utrecht, 1713, >>> and is a giant 74 cm in height. It is 2 vols. The atlas for the >>> second memoire is of 89 reproductions, and rather smaller in size, >>> 57 cm. It is in 2 parts. The first part has 14 reproductions of >>> maps, all before 1713, and is a supplement to the first, while the >>> second part has 75 reproductions of maps after 1713. There is >>> finally one other map, a 15th one going with the first part of the >>> second atlas, which is found in vol. 1 of the second memoire. Thus >>> there is a total of 195 maps, 120 pre-1713 and 75 post 1713. The >>> combined edition presumably has all this in its atlas, and I believe >>> that is itemized in Phillips (Philip Lee Phillips, 'List of >>> Geographical Atlases,' etc. vol. 1, 1909, 996), per old notes of >>> mine, but I am not sure. >>> >>> The baron (1845-1912) had been consulted regarding a boundary >>> dispute between Brazil and France because of his extensive knowledge >>> of Brazilian geography. He won the dispute for Brazil in an >>> international court. The books are his case. He was also involved >>> in several similar disputes. There is a book about him, by E. >>> Bradford Burns: 'The Unwritten Alliance: Rio-Branco and >>> Brazilian-American Relations' (New York, 1966). The following >>> article is I suspect partly on him, but haven't checked: Prescott, >>> Victor. "Significant Contributions of Maps to the Development of >>> International Boundary Disputes before 1914." 'The Globe', no. 45 >>> (1997), 42-54. >>> >>> This old atlas contains a good many very early maps, including some >>> by Gastaldi and many others, and was once often cited by historians >>> of cartography, as Wieder, Stevenson, Wagner, et al, but with the >>> many excellent reproductions now available, it is probably no longer >>> of much practical value. But I'm not certain of this. >>> >>> All the above is from my own notes almost 20 years old. The >>> following is an entry I came across by chance just a few years ago >>> in Harvard's HOLLIS catalog. I haven't seen it, and know nothing >>> more about it than what's in the citation, as follows: >>> [Rio Branco, J., etc.] 'Statement Submitted to the United States of >>> Brazil to the President of the United States of America as >>> Arbitrator, under the Provisions of the Treaty Concluded September >>> 7, 1889, between Brazil and the Argentine Republic . . . .' 6 vols. >>> New York, 1894. (27 cm) Vol. 5 is titled 'Thirty-four maps', and >>> vol. 6 'Twenty-nine larger maps.' >>> >>> Doug Sims >>> dougsims1945@yahoo.com >>> >>> >>> >>>> From: Ole Gade >>>> Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl >>>> To: maphist@geog.uu.nl >>>> Subject: [MapHist] Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:47:35 -0500 >>>> >>>> Dear Maphisters; >>>> >>>> I have only recently learned of this incredible list >>>> serve/discussion group, so please bear with me. >>>> >>>> I am very interested in acquiring some detailed knowledge about the >>>> atlas appended to the 1899 four volume set entitled: >>>> Frontiéres entre le Brésil et la Guyane Francaise. 2nd Memoire >>>> (Atlas: Contenant un Choix de Cartes Antérieures au Traité Conclu a >>>> Utrecht le 11 Avril 1743 entre le Portugal et la France) >>>> This is set of fascimile maps (88-91?) that were appended as an >>>> Annex to the Memorandum Presented by the United States of Brazil to >>>> the Government of the Swiss Federation, Arbitrator of the Treaty >>>> concluded at Rio de Janeiro, 10 April, 1897 between Brazil and >>>> France; maps were edited and printed by A Tahne, under the auspices >>>> of A. Lahure, Imprimeur-Éditeur, 9, Rue de Fleurus, Paris, 1899). >>>> So far my research has revealed only one reference (without >>>> detail); this in LeGear, C. E.., “Rosenwald Gift of 16th Century >>>> Maps,” in Ristow, W. (ed.) A la Carte: Selected Papers on Maps and >>>> Atlases. Washington DC: Library of Congress, 1972, 39+. >>>> >>>> Do any of you have reference to steer me in a productive direction? >>>> >>>> Thanks for any efforts in my behalf, >>>> >>>> Ole Gade >>>> >>> >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! >>> http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________________________ >>> MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >>> hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. >>> The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >>> the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >>> Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility >>> for >>> the views of the author. >>> List Information: http://www.maphist.info >>> >> >> _______________________________________________________________ >> MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >> hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. >> The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >> the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >> Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility >> for >> the views of the author. >> List Information: http://www.maphist.info > > _________________________________________________________________ > Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.info > _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Originating-IP: [24.188.202.15] X-Originating-Email: [gastaldo@msn.com] X-Sender: gastaldo@msn.com From: "Douglas Sims" To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: RE: [MapHist] 'FrontiXres entre le BrXsil et la Guyane FranXaise' (1899 Atlases) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 01:29:07 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Nov 2004 06:30:03.0139 (UTC) FILETIME=[DBDC5D30:01C4D5DC] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl X-Amavis-Alert: BAD HEADER Non-encoded 8-bit data (char E8 hex) in message header 'Subject' Subject: RE: [MapHist] 'Fronti\350res entre le Br... ^ Now here I really can't help much. But I imagine the best way to find consultable copies would be to punch the titles in in RLIN's EUREKA and/or OCLC's WORLDCAT, which should be accessible at any larger university or research library. If you have staff or student privileges at any major university library, you may well be able to use these on your home computer. The library folks should be able to tell you. Good Luck! Doug >From: Ole Gade >Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl >To: maphist@geog.uu.nl >Subject: [MapHist] 'Frontières entre le Brésil et la Guyane Française' >(1899 Atlases) >Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 17:16:21 -0500 > >Hi everyone! > >Now I wonder whether other maphisters have anything to offer in my, by now >considerably enhanced, quest to seek information on atlases published in >the support of the 'Frontières entre le Brésil et la Guyane Française' >and its several 'memoraire'; most particularly I am interested in further >establishing the number of different atlas issue that appeared published in >1899 in either Berne or Paris; and can anyone tell me just where it may be >possible for me to inspect any of these atlases? >In the meantime, Doug, I am appreciatively moving on all of those >references you have led me to. Bless your heart!!! > >Ole > >gadeo@bellsouth.net > >On Nov 26, 2004, at 5:12 PM, Douglas Sims wrote: > >>I'm glad this information was useful to you. I do encourage you to >>continue with this good and useful project, because there certainly is a >>good possibility that the atlases contain some reproductions still not >>available elsewhere, regardless of my final observation to the contrary. >>This might especially be true of the post 1713 maps, but there could be >>some also among the earlier ones. Besides the value of such a collation, >>it would be of extraordinary interest, I think, both to the history of >>cartography proper, AND to the history of the history of cartography, to >>know more about the atlases and their compilation. As to the history of >>the history, two works might throw good light on the state of that at the >>time Baron Rio Branco made his atlases, R. A. Skelton's 'Maps: A >>Historical Survey of Their Study and Collecting' (1975), and Armando >>Cortesao, "Cartography and Its Historians,m" in his 1969-71 2-vol. >>'History of Portuguese Cartography,' vol. 1, pp. 1-70. Being Portiguese, >>of course, the latter might be especially enlightening? Finally, there is >>an excellent full-page portrait of the baron in 'Revista brasileira de >>geografia,' Vol. 1, No. 3 (July, 1939), at p. [89]. >> >>Doug >> >> >> >> >>>From: Ole Gade >>>Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl >>>To: maphist@geog.uu.nl >>>Subject: Re: [MapHist] >>>Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 12:21:03 -0500 >>> >>>Dear Douglas Sims, >>> >>>That was very informative and helpful; I will be working for a while on >>>the references you have pointed to. The atlas available to me was library >>>de-accessioned in the late 1970s in a variable and in places somewhat >>>pitiable condition. It is a single volume published by Lahure in Paris in >>>1899; it clearly indicates the maps to be 'anterieures au traite conclu a >>>Utrecht le 11 Avril 1713 entre le Portugal et la France'. Further the >>>cover board size is an amazing 77x57cm with the map pages a couple of cm >>>smaller; there are 91 numbered pages of maps, but with three fold outs >>>(including a four page segment Pére Samuel Fritz, 1691, and the 1609 >>>Gabriel Tatton in full color), the total map pages number 94; however, >>>with several pages multi-mapped the map total is exactly 100! A dozen or >>>so of the maps are in full color, several (four Diogo Homem, and two >>>Lazaro Luis) with gold and silver ornamentation. Indeed, there is the >>>Americas portion of the 1554 Gastaldi - though not an impressive >>>fascimile. It is a striking Atlas, and interestingly at some divergence >>>from the details of the 1899 Paris Atlas volumes you described. I will be >>>pleased to hear any comments from you on this. Having gotten caught up in >>>a, to me, exciting new world of knowledge, it is my interest to initially >>>be able to describe in some detail the circumstances of each of the maps >>>in the atlas (I have been consulting the Shirley and Karrow works, and a >>>number of the Hakluyt Society volumes). I am beginning to fear that this >>>is a remainder of my life time pursuit. With a clean and fairly >>>comprehensive set of maps of the Americas for this time period I am also >>>hoping to develop several library exhibits. >>> >>> With my thanks again for your interest and efforts. >>> >>>Ole Gade >>>Professor of Geography and Planning Emeritus >>>Appalachian State University, Boone NC >>>gadeo@bellsouth.net >>>On Nov 25, 2004, at 1:13 AM, Douglas Sims wrote: >>> >>>>This is one where the bibliographical details are really tricky. The >>>>title 'Frontières entre le Brésil et la Guyane Française' is a mildly >>>>famous old work, usually cited without author, or author as simply >>>>'Brazil', oddly enough. Actually, it is by José Maria da Silva Paranhos >>>>Júnior, Barão do Rio Branco (alphabetized usually under 'Rio Branco'), >>>>and the atlases accompanying are compiled by him as well. This is not 1 >>>>work, but 2 works, both multi-volume and both published in 1899, with >>>>titles identical except for the addition of a single word to the second >>>>one, to wit: 'Frontières entre le Brésil et la Guyane Française: >>>>Mémoire présenté,' etc. 5 vols. + 2-vol. atlas. Paris, Lahure, 1899, >>>>and 'Frontières entre le Brésil et la Guyane Française: Second mémoire >>>>présenté,' etc. 5 vols.+ atlas in 2 parts. Berne, 1899. To repeat: >>>>These are NOT two editions or variants of one work. All of the material >>>>in the second mémoire is different from, and was published in addition >>>>to, the material in the first. A single combined edition of 14 volumes >>>>was then published, Paris and Berne, 1899-1900 (For this 14-volume >>>>edition, see items nos. NB 0760065-69 in the 'National Union >>>>Catalogue.'). >>>> >>>>The atlas for the first memoire includes 105 reproductions of old maps. >>>>all originally published before the Treaty of Utrecht, 1713, and is a >>>>giant 74 cm in height. It is 2 vols. The atlas for the second memoire >>>>is of 89 reproductions, and rather smaller in size, 57 cm. It is in 2 >>>>parts. The first part has 14 reproductions of maps, all before 1713, >>>>and is a supplement to the first, while the second part has 75 >>>>reproductions of maps after 1713. There is finally one other map, a >>>>15th one going with the first part of the second atlas, which is found >>>>in vol. 1 of the second memoire. Thus there is a total of 195 maps, 120 >>>>pre-1713 and 75 post 1713. The combined edition presumably has all this >>>>in its atlas, and I believe that is itemized in Phillips (Philip Lee >>>>Phillips, 'List of Geographical Atlases,' etc. vol. 1, 1909, 996), per >>>>old notes of mine, but I am not sure. >>>> >>>>The baron (1845-1912) had been consulted regarding a boundary dispute >>>>between Brazil and France because of his extensive knowledge of >>>>Brazilian geography. He won the dispute for Brazil in an international >>>>court. The books are his case. He was also involved in several similar >>>>disputes. There is a book about him, by E. Bradford Burns: 'The >>>>Unwritten Alliance: Rio-Branco and Brazilian-American Relations' (New >>>>York, 1966). The following article is I suspect partly on him, but >>>>haven't checked: Prescott, Victor. "Significant Contributions of Maps >>>>to the Development of International Boundary Disputes before 1914." >>>>'The Globe', no. 45 (1997), 42-54. >>>> >>>>This old atlas contains a good many very early maps, including some by >>>>Gastaldi and many others, and was once often cited by historians of >>>>cartography, as Wieder, Stevenson, Wagner, et al, but with the many >>>>excellent reproductions now available, it is probably no longer of much >>>>practical value. But I'm not certain of this. >>>> >>>>All the above is from my own notes almost 20 years old. The following >>>>is an entry I came across by chance just a few years ago in Harvard's >>>>HOLLIS catalog. I haven't seen it, and know nothing more about it than >>>>what's in the citation, as follows: >>>>[Rio Branco, J., etc.] 'Statement Submitted to the United States of >>>>Brazil to the President of the United States of America as Arbitrator, >>>>under the Provisions of the Treaty Concluded September 7, 1889, between >>>>Brazil and the Argentine Republic . . . .' 6 vols. New York, 1894. >>>>(27 cm) Vol. 5 is titled 'Thirty-four maps', and vol. 6 'Twenty-nine >>>>larger maps.' >>>> >>>>Doug Sims >>>>dougsims1945@yahoo.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>From: Ole Gade >>>>>Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl >>>>>To: maphist@geog.uu.nl >>>>>Subject: [MapHist] Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:47:35 -0500 >>>>> >>>>>Dear Maphisters; >>>>> >>>>>I have only recently learned of this incredible list serve/discussion >>>>>group, so please bear with me. >>>>> >>>>>I am very interested in acquiring some detailed knowledge about the >>>>>atlas appended to the 1899 four volume set entitled: >>>>> Frontiéres entre le Brésil et la Guyane Francaise. 2nd Memoire >>>>>(Atlas: Contenant un Choix de Cartes Antérieures au Traité Conclu a >>>>>Utrecht le 11 Avril 1743 entre le Portugal et la France) >>>>>This is set of fascimile maps (88-91?) that were appended as an Annex >>>>>to the Memorandum Presented by the United States of Brazil to the >>>>>Government of the Swiss Federation, Arbitrator of the Treaty concluded >>>>>at Rio de Janeiro, 10 April, 1897 between Brazil and France; maps were >>>>>edited and printed by A Tahne, under the auspices of A. Lahure, >>>>>Imprimeur-Éditeur, 9, Rue de Fleurus, Paris, 1899). >>>>>So far my research has revealed only one reference (without detail); >>>>>this in LeGear, C. E.., “Rosenwald Gift of 16th Century Maps,” in >>>>>Ristow, W. (ed.) A la Carte: Selected Papers on Maps and Atlases. >>>>>Washington DC: Library of Congress, 1972, 39+. >>>>> >>>>>Do any of you have reference to steer me in a productive direction? >>>>> >>>>>Thanks for any efforts in my behalf, >>>>> >>>>>Ole Gade >>>>> >>>> >>>>_________________________________________________________________ >>>>FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! >>>>http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________________________ >>>>MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >>>>hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. >>>>The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >>>>the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >>>>Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for >>>>the views of the author. >>>>List Information: http://www.maphist.info >>>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________________________ >>>MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >>>hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. >>>The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >>>the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >>>Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for >>>the views of the author. >>>List Information: http://www.maphist.info >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! >>http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ >> >>_______________________________________________________________ >>MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >>hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. >>The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >>the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >>Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for >>the views of the author. >>List Information: http://www.maphist.info >> > >_______________________________________________________________ >MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. >The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for >the views of the author. >List Information: http://www.maphist.info _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: maphist15@mail.maphist.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 09:54:41 +0100 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl (by way of List-owner MapHist ) Subject: [MapHist] Phillips "Andover" Academy X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS-perl11-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Non-member submission from ["Laura Sanders" ] Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 20:49:08 -0600 Hello. I am searching for any historical campus maps/plans of Phillips Academy, or Andover Academy in Andover, Mass. This research is part of a graduate course at Auburn University, and has been brought to the attention of the secondary schools involved. The historic maps need to be pre-1950, and preferably dating back to the 1800s, if available. Please let me know if anyone has any location on this, the sooner, the better. Thank you in advance. Sincerely, Laura Sanders Laura E. Sanders- sandele@auburn.edu Auburn University Graduate Student Masters of Landscape Architecture _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 09:01:47 -0500 From: jsk@gamewood.net Subject: [MapHist] Great Chicago Fire Sale (& Ebay) To: MapHist X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Looking at the title, and knowing a bit of history, the title could give one the chills. Still, it is a rather curious concept, but I couldn't find any map related material there. Is the Newberry going to be a donor, beneficiary, or both? See: . Sorry, but I couldn't resist. It's plastered all over the news the past few days. Joel Kovarsky _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Maurice Rougier Subject: Re: [MapHist] 'Frontières entre le Brésil et la Guyane Française' (1899 Atlases) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 10:14:44 +0100 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Atlas des Colonies Françaises dressé par ordre du Ministère des Colonies par Paul Pelet. Paris Librairie Armand Colin 1902. 1 carte de la Guyane. Une notice avec en particulier "BIBLIOGRAPHIE CARTOGRAPHIQUE" publications auxquelles a donné lieu le litige sur le Contesté Franco-Bresilien : 1° Publications Bresiliennes.- Caetano Da Silva. L'oyopoc et l'Amazone, question brésilienne et française. Paris, 1861 (2e éd, 1899), 2 vol 460 et 606 p. Mémoire présenté par les Etats Unis du Brésil au gouvernement de la Confédération suisse. I (Mémoire), 12 cartes, 1899; II et III (Documents).3 vol-Atlas contenant un choix de cartes antérieures au traité conclu le 11 Avril 1713 entre le Portugal et la France. 91 cartes, depuis celle de JUAN DE LA COSA (1500) jusqu'à celle du P. SAMUEL FRITZ (1707). Paris, 1899. Atlas contenant 3 cartes levées par la Commission brésilienne d'exploration du haut-Araguary, sous la direction du cap. Braga Calvacante. 1/200000, 1896. Second Mémoire présenté par les EU du Brésil. 1899, 4 vol. Album contenant des fac-simile de documents, et Atlas de 86 cartes dont 14 antérieures au traité d'Utrech. 2° Publications Françaises. - Mémoire contenant l'exposé des droits de la France dans la question des frontières de la Guyanne française et du Brésil soumise à l'arbitrage du gouvernement de la Confédération suisse. Imp Nat., 1899, in 8, IX + 373 p, 1 carte. Documents et pièces justificatives, 174 p . Atlas de 35 cartes (1564-1862), avec table analytique, depuis la carte de SEBASTIEN CABOT (1544) jusqu'à celle d'AZEVEDO (1862-64). Réponse du gouvernement de la République Française au Mémoire des Etats-Unis du Brésil sur la question de frontière soumise à l'arbitrage du gouvernement de la Confédération suisse. Impr. Nat., 1899, IX + 306p., 4 cartes. .....Je ne peux malheureusement vous écrire en anglais car je ne le maîtrise pas suffisamment mais j'espère que ces quelques notes pourront vous être utiles. Le 28 nov. 04, à 23:16, Ole Gade a écrit : > Hi everyone! > > Now I wonder whether other maphisters have anything to offer in my, by > now considerably enhanced, quest to seek information on atlases > published in the support of the 'Frontières entre le Brésil et la > Guyane Française' > > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.info > > _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Malcolm Anderson" To: Subject: [MapHist] Re. SURVEYING AND MAPPING HISTORY: NORTHERN NIGERIA Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 20:03:49 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl

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X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Ole Gade Subject: Re: [MapHist] 'Frontières entre le Brésil et la Guyane Française' (1899 Atlases) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 16:03:00 -0500 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Thanks to Maurice Rougier and Doug Sims I am now set for the while, especially since I am now waiting for a number of the documents recommended, and since I have indeed found copies of both Mémoire and their associated atlases as near by as at Duke University. Should I be perplexed further along my exploratory way I will not hesitate to get back to you. In the meantime, let me say that I am just impressed by your response and by the 'maphist' communication link. Ole Gade On Nov 30, 2004, at 4:14 AM, Maurice Rougier wrote: > Atlas des Colonies Françaises dressé par ordre du Ministère des > Colonies par Paul Pelet. Paris Librairie Armand Colin 1902. 1 carte de > la Guyane. Une notice avec en particulier > "BIBLIOGRAPHIE CARTOGRAPHIQUE" > publications auxquelles a donné lieu le litige sur le Contesté > Franco-Bresilien : > 1° Publications Bresiliennes.- Caetano Da Silva. L'oyopoc et > l'Amazone, question brésilienne et française. Paris, 1861 (2e éd, > 1899), 2 vol 460 et 606 p. > Mémoire présenté par les Etats Unis du Brésil au gouvernement de la > Confédération suisse. I (Mémoire), 12 cartes, 1899; II et III > (Documents).3 vol-Atlas contenant un choix de cartes antérieures au > traité conclu le 11 Avril 1713 entre le Portugal et la France. 91 > cartes, depuis celle de JUAN DE LA COSA (1500) jusqu'à celle du P. > SAMUEL FRITZ (1707). Paris, 1899. > Atlas contenant 3 cartes levées par la Commission brésilienne > d'exploration du haut-Araguary, sous la direction du cap. Braga > Calvacante. 1/200000, 1896. > Second Mémoire présenté par les EU du Brésil. 1899, 4 vol. Album > contenant des fac-simile de documents, et Atlas de 86 cartes dont 14 > antérieures au traité d'Utrech. > 2° Publications Françaises. - Mémoire contenant l'exposé des droits de > la France dans la question des frontières de la Guyanne française et > du Brésil soumise à l'arbitrage du gouvernement de la Confédération > suisse. Imp Nat., 1899, in 8, IX + 373 p, 1 carte. Documents et pièces > justificatives, 174 p . Atlas de 35 cartes (1564-1862), avec table > analytique, depuis la carte de SEBASTIEN CABOT (1544) jusqu'à celle > d'AZEVEDO (1862-64). > Réponse du gouvernement de la République Française au Mémoire des > Etats-Unis du Brésil sur la question de frontière soumise à > l'arbitrage du gouvernement de la Confédération suisse. Impr. Nat., > 1899, IX + 306p., 4 cartes. > .....Je ne peux malheureusement vous écrire en anglais car je ne le > maîtrise pas suffisamment mais j'espère que ces quelques notes > pourront vous être utiles. > > > Le 28 nov. 04, à 23:16, Ole Gade a écrit : > >> Hi everyone! >> >> Now I wonder whether other maphisters have anything to offer in my, >> by now considerably enhanced, quest to seek information on atlases >> published in the support of the 'Frontières entre le Brésil et la >> Guyane Française' >> >> _______________________________________________________________ >> MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >> hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. >> The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >> the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >> Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility >> for >> the views of the author. >> List Information: http://www.maphist.info >> >> > > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.info > _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info